Old Firm in the Premier League?

hollie


Joined: 15/07/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 11:03

There's been a lot of press in Scotland recently regarding a proposed move by Rangers and Celtic into the English Premier League or perhaps an Atlantic league with Dutch and Scandanavian teams... After Rangers last two CL outings (AT HOME) it is clear that something must be done as Scottish football is fast becoming a joke.

Gone are the days where the old firm were a real force in Europe. Celtic can't win outside jurrasic park and Rangers have the worst squad i've ever seen play in light blue.



As tempting as a move down south would be I just can't see it happening. Only the old firm would benefit and perhaps some of the smaller PL teams who would generate revenue from Rangers and Celtics huge travelling support. But what's in it for Mid table teams? The old firm have fan bases as big and as marketable as the "big four" and with the cash injection the PL would provide could feasibly compete at that level after a few years of adjustment. Subsequently pushing teams like Villa etc

hollie


Joined: 15/07/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 11:10

cont... and Everton out of top six positions.

This is not to mention the effect it would have to the remaining teams in Scotland... Sure the league would be more competitive but would probably end up resembling the irish league with no real quality sides.



There doesn't seem to be any real answer to this problem, but know this... Until some changes are made to grass roots football in Scotland we will continue to fail to qualify for competitions as a national side, our decent home grown players will be of a lower calibre and our top flight league will suffer.



A few years ago the SPL was losing players to the PL, now we're losing players to the Championship!



What does that tell you!

Smity



Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 826

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 11:15

Good idea to join the PL, but the traveling cost for supporters would be astronomical let alone the time factor to say rangers V portsmouth.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 17:30

Celtic and Rangers wouldnt survive in the Premier League unless they where exempt from relegation,

Paul.

kevnmax


Joined: 05/08/2008
Posts: 105

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 17:40

2 sub standard sides , not needed

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 17:42

They should have a new 'Super League' of a dozen or so clubs to include some of the European sides.

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 17:42

Never happen!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 17:43

StGeorgeI - you can never say never! Money talks in football.

rdsteve


Joined: 01/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 18:03

I agree with Newlad They are not good enough for the PL maybe put them in the championship and let them fight there way up from there. On there European perfomances they would be religation material in there first season.



Steve

maria1975


Joined: 22/07/2009
Posts: 106

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 18:56

if it was the other way round , they would never let english teams in spl. so let them rot in spl , oh but they should play on sunday, because thats what it is like ( sunday league football) coys

corbytown


Joined: 05/08/2008
Posts: 327

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 21:04

why put them in the championship ?

whats wrong with starting in the conference, after all thats the standard of footy they play

And your right Maria, why should we help them, they would sooner shout for any country that plays against england.

Why dont they go and ask kazistan for eg to let them in their league !

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 22:14

Maybe if the old firm combined their teams into one they would have more chance, the catholic fans (fenians) could sit up one end of the ground and the protestants (billy boys) the other

rdsteve


Joined: 01/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 22:36

Corby Town

Conference North They would not stand a chance in the Conference Premier especially against my team Kettering Town.



Steve

corbytown


Joined: 05/08/2008
Posts: 327

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 22:44

Lol up the poppies

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 22:47

i cant believe its even been mentioned let lone discussed. they hate everyone "south of the border" so let them carry on playing each other ten times a season. they are a joke the lot of them and we have enough joke clubs in the prem like liverpool.

corbytown


Joined: 05/08/2008
Posts: 327

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 23:03

A very good point Andy could not agree more !

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 23:44

Money talks in football. If SKY want it then make no mistake it WILL happen.



Rangers and Celtic are huge clubs. The sums they currently receive from tv money is very low. The clubs in the championship receive more in tv revenue than Rangers and Celtic get combined. Both Scottish clubs have a huge wordwide following and do appeal to a massive global audience. When an english club are looking for a testimonial then it is usually one of the old firm who are invited to take part mainly because of the support and the money they generate.



On a footballing side with the current squads neither would survive in the premiership however with the money on offer the playing squads would be drastically different to what they are now.

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 08:58

"Rangers and Celtic are huge clubs" only in Glasgow i think,

Grey.

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 09:44

Send Berwick Rangers back to England.

hollie


Joined: 15/07/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 10:26

NEWLAD AND RDSTEVE:



I agree with you Rangers and Celtic would struggle in the PL with current the squads the have. They probably would be expected to start in the Championship but you are missin the point, they have as big and in some cases bigger national and global fan bases than most of the exisiting PL clubs. I've travelled a lot and i've seen more Rangers and Celtic supporters clubs abroad than anything else. With a cash injection they could bring in the players needed to compete.



And although they are both particularily poor this season both Rangers and Celtic have been in European finals im the last 8 years. So they cannot be that bad surely.

Jimmyboy63


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 400

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 10:37

Mess 17 spot on with your comments



Rangers and Celtic into the premiership ...... it will happen because money talks....



These are both massive clubs with world wide support....second only to Man Utd



If Welsh teams can play in the English league then why cant Scottish teams



The top 5 or 6 premiership teams would welcome Celtic and Rangers with open arms but the rest would be running scared as it would mean 2 less teams in the league

loulou



Joined: 14/05/2008
Posts: 785

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 11:11

i agree with mg3 they would not stand a chance,why do players from prem lg go to the old firms when they are getting on and carnt hack it in the prem lg

corbytown


Joined: 05/08/2008
Posts: 327

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 11:15

jimmyboy for a start why should you take priority over teams like newcastle, leeds west brom nottingham forest ( who have 2 european cups ) who are all fighting to get back into the top flight of the greatest league in the world, and does scotland not want to break away from england and become an independant country ?

And the world wide support is religion based not because of the superior football they produce !

Jimmyboy63


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 400

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 13:18

I am not saying they should take proirity over other teams .....possibly start off in the championship



greatest league in the world.....debatable



When Did the Scottish people vote for independence?????



Isn't Corby part of Scotland??

stevie-d



Joined: 13/07/2007
Posts: 1420

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 17:21

The Old Firm have been ranked by EUFA, why cant they go into the Premiere Leauge, from what Ive read some of the above is a lot of old TWADDLE ( NOT ALL )

stevie-d

maria1975


Joined: 22/07/2009
Posts: 106

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 18:54

stevie-d , its not rocket science , they cant play in the prem because their not english or welsh. spl stands for scottish prem league, which is why english clubs cant play in spl. not that any english team would want to play in spl.

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 19:28

ive said for a long while that the league cup should be merged so all the scotish league teams get a crack at English clubs and that way all could benefit north and south of the border from lucrative and random cotests and it would inject interest in the league cup north and south of the border !

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 20:31

yes No1 Iagree Money Talks that why Rangers and Celtic will never appear in the PL they have not got any money to buy their way in

Beyond the Fact that neither of them would last a season I have my honest doubts that they would be able to do very well in the championship let alone the PL.

Look at the batterings Rangers are shipping at home to second rate teams in the CL while it has been apparent for many a long year that both teams are much better than the SPL due to vast support i think a Euro league will be their only way but again cannot see them living week in week out with the Man U's Arsenal's Real madrid's Barcelona's and Milan's of this world can anybody here hand on heart say i am wrong

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 20:56

I cannot see the police rubbing their hands at the thought of hordes of Scots heading over the border every other week,

Paul.

corbytown


Joined: 05/08/2008
Posts: 327

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 21:01

Apparently rangers have arranged a friendly with the greater manchester police force.

As they are the only people rangers have successfully attacked in europe in the last couple of years !

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 21:27

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477 miles from Glasgow to Portsmouth equates to a 16 hour round trip.Lets think of the fans for once,

Paul.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 21:29

Just like the journey the link may be just to long,

Paul.

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 21:31

no Newlad lets think of the trains all wreaked on their way home after a battering

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
22/10/2009 21:50

It wont be leaves on the line or the wrong type of snow it will be cans of Mcewans lager on the line that will close down the trains,

Paul.

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
23/10/2009 02:48

or somthing called BUCKIE????

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
23/10/2009 21:12

they wouldnt live in the championship at this time , but after maybe 5 seasons ? both would be promoted to pl ,