Turkish Cypriots have only themselves left to blame

malsancak


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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 07:55

"Turkish Cypriots have only themselves left to blame" now on http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com

Mal

winslow


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31/10/2009 12:51

İts a well wrıt article fairly balanced althought it dosen't seem to take into account our ecomonic isolation which İ believe is the root of the problem in the main. Apart from the natural bad characters. This has caused alot of slack in terms of transparency many have had to do what you have to do to survive. At the expensive of others and corruption. İt is not right and hopefully with time and greater transparency things will change. The writer correctly states ‘Caveat Emptor’ is Latin for "Let the buyer beware' this should apply across the board. İ would also say that corruption is rife all over the world especially in large ecomonies İ won't go into details there are many examples. İt may be a case of we are a small İsland and it just stands out more making headlines faster.

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 13:13

An interesting article that is indeed very true.

Many TRNC nationals have ridden on the back of land and construction since particularly post Annan (2004)

The ex-pat populus from accross Europe have expected much got littlr and paid willingly for failure.



It is the investors, buyers and customers that will drive the system to change. Learn to negotiate upon all things. Price, delivery, contract, staged payments, duty of care, quality assurance. Be willing to walk away.

Drive the deal with confidence and conviction. Do not accept that service is mandatory or guaranteed.

Dont be a sucker.

Like any market; market forces will dictate and prevail.

Corruption is a fact of life in TRNC as it is in much of the World. The democratic process prevails and this, to an extent, limits the effects to a degree. However, again " buyer beware" has significant implications upon getting what you want. TRNC is very small and the Government and administration is still very much in its infanc

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 13:18

...infancy. The governance is still somewhat dynamic and very litte definitive structure is present. Newcommers soon realise this. It is best to accept the de-facto system and proceed with caution. Refrain from the confruntation, negotiate, understand and seek help from the few people who accept their responsibility to assist without justifiable remuneration.

winslow


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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 16:31

WAZ-24-7

İ agree with you. But there is corruption and irregularities in all ecomonies whether in infancy or established. Look at Madroff ponzi where were the regulators. Look at the expenses abuses in the Uk by MPs. Former French President Jacques Chirac is to be tried on allegations he gave 21 political allies false contracts as ghost workers in Paris city hall. İt is my belief the stigma of TRNC to be more corrupt and lawless owes its provenance to the well organised media campiagn of RoC. İts aim was to deter investment and would be investors. We should take no lectures from them as they themsevles have problems with there construction industry regarding the remorgaging of title deeds of proporties that were sold to many Europeans. And there offshore banking industry is not very transparant (Milsovic)

Where ever you live or decide to live or invest you just have your wits about you. Every where you go you will always encounter one problem or another its just the w

malsancak


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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 19:17

winslow in msg 5 says, "there is corruption and irregularities in all ecomonies"

The examples you give are of governments actively sorting out problems, e.g. UK's expenses abuse. In north Cyprus this is not the case - here, they talk but they don't do anything to stop a repeat of the problem. In fact they don't really recognise that there is a problem. Currently there is little to stop those buying in 2010 from having the same problems as those buying in 2004.

Mal

winslow


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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 20:44

Mal msg 6



The point İ am trying to make is. Yes İ agree they are sorting out the problem in the UK. But these are elected officials in positions of trust elected by the electorate to serve the public interest not to line the their pockets at tax payers expense. İn some instances it is not alot of money but it is the principle malpratice or corruption in an instution that is allegedly uncorruptable. İt would have continued had they of not been exposed by the press. İ asure you if documented malpractice or corruption are exposed here the same occurs. Criminal investigations occur if in the public interest and receives high media attention. Conspriacy theories regarding cover ups may occur at times. Even in the UK such as arms to Saudi Arabia what did they do about that? Currently there is alot you can do when buying. Research well, don't buy on a wim, know who you are dealing with. For the aviodance of any doubt it can be no other way ‘Caveat Emptor’ "Let the

malsancak


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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 21:40

winslow msg 7 - power corrupts, according to William Pitt the Elder in 1770, so it should come as no surprise 240 years later that people in power are regularly guilty of corruption. The press may expose these corrupt practices but this should then mean that people in power should sort them out, or is this too simple?

Mal

keithr


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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 23:04

Simple answer is don't buy....full stop. When the various interested parties have no work/money/mercedes,then maybe things will change to allow them to regain their previous lifestyles.



Vote with your feet.

winslow


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Message Posted:
31/10/2009 23:43

İf the evidence is there the judical system is there and they are dealt with it is that simple. İt is not for other politicans to deal with. Politician create legislation on behalf of the people its is a social construct and left to the judicary and police authorities to administer. You quote pitt who was critical of Walpoles goverment in terms of not only corruption but power. A unique man in politics high virtue and moral standards. When paymaster general Pitt did not enrich himself like his predecessors. Although even his character has been called into question in 1766, He petitioned the crown for peerage for his wife so he could return to the House of commons and accepted the earldom of Chatham and a peerage. İ still stand by what İ say the attorney generals office here can be relentless in their persuit of cases. İt may take time as the wheels of bureaucracy may be slow within the judical system but it gets there in the end one way or another. İt ne

malsancak


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Message Posted:
01/11/2009 09:10

...by people in power, I am referring to the judicial system. This is one of the main areas where people buying here are being let down. Take the case of Sandra and Greg Kocinski who bought property in 2003 and even won a court case against the notorious builder Gary Robb in 2006. Still this judgement has not been enforced.

Mal

winslow


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Message Posted:
01/11/2009 14:14

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İ was wondering when you would bring this mans name up. Firstly let me just say İ do not propose to be and expert of this example all İ know is what İ have read. So İ will aplogise now if İ get anything wrong in my answer to your answer. İ would also like to say İ very much sympathise with the people that were cheated out of their lifes savings by this man and very much hope that some kind of resolution will come for these people as soon as possible.

Gary Robb was a fugitive from British Justice the former owner of the Blue Monkey nightclub. He was charged with conspiracy to supply drugs. His brother was given 10 years after a raid on the Colosseum club in Stockton. He and is brother controlled 5 clubs in the North of England. And he faced or had convictions for (GBH) also. On bail he absconded and arrived here claiming to be innocent stating to our authorities he would be returning to the Uk at future date to clear his name.

winslow


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01/11/2009 14:17

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The warrant was never lifted he took no steps while here to clear his name and the warrant remained on file.

He formed a TRNC company, Aga Developments Ltd, Developing at Arapkoy 246 properties which have not been completed since Sept 2005 when he left and went to Tailand. He attempted to transfer some £1.5 million from a UK bank account. But the funds were frozen. Our authorities also froze his North Cyprus bank accounts although the value of funds have not been disclosed. The authorities revoked his citizenship, as his claims of military service in the UK were false. Therefore he was eligible for army service here for citizenship.

He returned to North Cyprus May 2006, and to stay out of jail claimed he would pay his creditors and complete Amaranta

winslow


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Message Posted:
01/11/2009 14:19

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A solicitor, Akan Kursat, claims to have held 51 percent of the shares in Aga Ltd the majority were transferred to Gary Robb allegedly without his consent on 18 August 2005 for 1,018 YTL, after a search at Companies House.

A solicitor, Akan Kursat, claims to have held 51 percent of the shares in Aga Ltd the majority were transferred to Gary Robb allegedly without his consent on 18 August 2005 for 1,018 YTL, after a search at Companies House. As his citizenship was revoked everything was now up in the air. He now double sold to UK customers taking payments off each. He reached an agreement with customers of Amaranta to complete in 12 months provided the customers paid monies due to Aga under their original contracts of sale. Although another £7,000 per customer was asked for. Many court cases were filed against him to stop him disposing of the properties or borrowing funds on the security of the properties these all had to be lifted for him to contiune.

winslow


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Message Posted:
01/11/2009 14:20

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The government attempted to counter the view that the Judicial system and the PCO failed homebuyers. But they did fail them for what ever reason it could have been corruption, lack of clear legislation, inexpericenced officials, whole hosts of reasons. İt left expericenced criminals like Robb and his associates able to expliot the system and people.

The Kocinski bought property in 2003 and won their court case against him in 2006. The judgment by Senior Judge Gulen Ozkamil against Gary Robb is still unenforced. The only explaination İ give give and this is my opinion. This is such a large case and an ongoing investiagtion that the jugdement has to be enforced in the main when a final resolution is determined as a result of the fact that there are so many claims against Robb. İt is now being reported as you are aware that some kind of announcement will be made soon at least it is still pending read NCFP Thursday, October 29, 2009 İ am sure you have read t

winslow


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Message Posted:
01/11/2009 14:26

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Mal in 2000 here on the İsland many banks collapsed due to the same reason failure of the regulators and inappropriate legislation. İt took our action group 5 years to get our money. İ and my family were victims and we are Turkish Cypriots. Things are like that sometimes these are long and protracted cases. İ fully understand the fustrations of these people it was very frigtening my whole familys life savings were lost in various banks.

Gray Robb was an unscrupulous character the authorities took various steps on different occasions albeit slow and not stern enought culminating in his eventual extradition to face his original sentence in absentisam. Do you still say the Judical system have no power there is no extradition treaty with The UK yet they still handed him over where were his associates they could'nt stop it. They will be next once this whole case is really opened up.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
01/11/2009 14:29

I know that the AGA Saga purchasers feel that an announcement will be made which will lead to some sort of actions but, and this is my opinion, I don't believe that words translate into actions here. That's my point, there is not a will to resolve these problems. Most of these problems are happening to people who have no vote, nor even the right to protest.

winslow


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Message Posted:
01/11/2009 14:31

continued

İ sincerely hope now that he has been removed from the equation here it will clear the path for a resolution to this whole situation and the pressure group keeps up the presure forcing the authorities to act. Good luck to all his victims and any others who face the same plight if you keep up the presure the authorities.

winslow


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Message Posted:
01/11/2009 14:39

İ went through this whole senario with the banks and felt at at various stages it was pointless but you can't roll over and die. You have to believe that you will over come these protracted difficulties. Hopefully an annoucement of some sort will be made soon and some form of action will be taken to ease the the pain of these poeple. We shall see and then we can return to this topic and discuss it futher.