Czechs ratify Lisbon Treaty

girne 29


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Message Posted:
03/11/2009 20:10

Good.thats out the way.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/11/2009 20:49

Better. Peace and progress in old Europe will be secured in our lifetime. And this time it's no joke, Mr. Chamberlain.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
03/11/2009 21:26

and they get to keep the property they took from the Sudeten Germans expelled after WW2. Christofias has been told by the EU that this cannot possibly be used a precedent in the case of north Cyprus and he apparently believed them!

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
03/11/2009 21:37

Oh Sugar!



That's it then, we're all fooked!



Unelected unaccountable faceless mittel Europeans making decisions on our behalf.



Come to think of it who elected McBroon prime minister?

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
03/11/2009 21:47

Hans,

The price of peace is eternal vigilance and that goes for democracy as well. The EC is an undemocratic, monolithic, corrupt monstrosity. Peace in "old" Europe is already secured by NATO not the EC and democracy is in extreme danger FROM the EC.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/11/2009 21:57

I know, the EU is far from perfect. But no (grand)parents before us could ever leave their (grand)children 65 years of "peace in Europe (EU countries)" as a heritage - and more peaceful days ahead.

girne 29


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Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
03/11/2009 22:06

Dont tell me Mr C tried to jump in with that? Wouldnt put it past ROC nothing they will not try and exploit and nobody they are not willing to drag in . The EU must be kicking themselves over letting ROC in.Has ROC got nothing to offer the EU but ,me,me, Cyprus ,me, ROC, embargo, me,me, bad Turkey, good me,Orams case,energy chapter bad Turkey.



The Germans and the rest of Europe have moved on and have to get ready for the next battle ,and that will be trade.

Nationalism , while not a bad thing while moderate ,is tempered by the greater good.

70 years of peace and prosperity ,and hopefully our children will see the same.



Cameron has cancelled plans to negotiate the Lisbon Treaty, not much choice seeing as its ratified.Duh!

Instead he is pandering to the euro sceptics by offering a referendum on parts of the treaty. If we vote no we will renegotiate. With who?, takes two to negotiate.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/11/2009 22:20

RE msg 5, Geejay: (...) democracy (...)

=> It always make me smile when British people use the word "democracy". 9.999 votes for the Libdems somewhere, 10.000 votes for the Tories somewhere and 10.001 votes for Labour in the same area - where does that leave the 9.999 votes for the Libdems and the 10.000 votes for the Tories..?! British people are not exactly qualified to call the EU undemocratic.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
03/11/2009 22:43

So proportional representation trumps first past the post.



Interesting given that the main guarantor of peace in Europe was/is NATO driven by undemocratic countries like USA, UK, Canada.



Last time I looked those countries had no time for PR.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
04/11/2009 00:08

After ireland voting No and then being told to vote yes. Who pulls the strings. Now do we await President Blair. brown put up a good fight for him but my money is still on Mary Robinson xx

newscoop


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Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
04/11/2009 00:19

Jasus Mary and Joseph, Mary Robinson?



We're all doomed!

girne 29


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 02:28

Newscoop,



Being fully democratic as opposed to partial democratic was never a qualification for being in Nato.As I understand it Nato was set up for mutual protection against the Soviets,and everyone and anyone west of Berlin was invited in.

Dont see where you are coming from anyway as regards the PR thing ,as 80% of countries in Nato do indeed have proprtional representation.

LOvegod


Joined: 22/03/2009
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
04/11/2009 11:20

this EU is the last rising of the holy roman empire according to some. Under one EU president, who will be controlled by America were all set for the final west versus east confrontation in about 5 years. As for the useless tories renegotiating anything , forget it it wont happen. Ta Ta England.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:02

EU controlled by USA ,thats a laugh .Only one country I know of, did exactly as they were told to by USA when it came to Iraq. EU countries knew an illegal war when they saw it, refused to follow blindly the lies sprouted by Bush and his hanger on Blair,and for that I remember some ,especially France, were called cowards by some of our "they dont like it up em" press.



Ta Ta England , fine with me I have long recognised that the rest of UK is not so anti europe,so it would be nice if we could have some mechanism whereby we can stay in Europe while England can leave.With the mix of UK laws and EU laws that would only apply outside England I think it would be impractical as things stand for only England to leave, so UK as a whole would have to go.



A referendum maybe is not such a bad idea, but it should be to stay or leave, that would allow Europe, once we leave ,to move on without our hindrance.Likewise England (UK) can move on without Europes hindrance and look elsewhere.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:07

The leading countries in Nato are all first past the post.



PR is a scam whereby people who wouldn't stand a cat in hells chance of getting into public office do so.



Without PR there would have been no devolution for Scotand and Wales and no barmy greens or BNP on any UK councils.



In Germany the greens are big, why? PR. In France the far right are never too far away, why? PR.



How many counties in Europe have been fully democratic since the war? Certainly not Spain, Portugal, Greece,the eastern bloc and baltic states, those that did retain true democratic status did so under the protective umbrella of not the European Union but the US and Nato.

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:28

=> It always make me smile when British people use the word "democracy". 9.999 votes for the Libdems somewhere, 10.000 votes for the Tories somewhere and 10.001 votes for Labour in the same area - where does that leave the 9.999 votes for the Libdems and the 10.000 votes for the Tories..?! British people are not exactly qualified to call the EU undemocratic.



Please do not comment on a country that saved you and your countryman, if it wasn't for us you would still be goosestepping- thank you

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
04/11/2009 12:36

Hipps

I think you are caught up in the past, the present and future are being discussed on this thread.

AJ