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malsancak


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21/11/2009 11:00

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"I'm often asked by people wanting to retire to north Cyprus, "how much will I need to live there?" Back in 2002 it was possible to live on 500pm if you had a villa and a car which needed very little extra money paid on them. This has doubled over the last 7 years mainly because of local inflation but also because of the weakness of sterling..."

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Pipie


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Very good Mal, good comparisons outlined there. cheers



What really confuses me is the cost of maintaining a swimmimg pool. While I take on board a domestic pool costs the amount stated by Mal (approx cost ) how come a complex pool can cost between 500 to 700 a month to maintain I know the pools are bigger but appears to be very costly in comparison.



No1Doyen


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21/11/2009 12:17

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This is a question that has no exact answer. Everyone will live a different lifestyle - some will have Villas with pools and some without. Some will live on complex's where there are management fees to pay



As a guide I would guess you would need between 1200 and 2000 per month. However you could possibly do it for less and some will spend more.



malsancak


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I encourage everyone to maintain their own pools as labour is the main cost. Chemicals work out about 20pm and yet many pool companies charge 100pm in the summer for cleaning a pool. This is a fair price however as, including travelling time, this would probably mean between 4-8hrs of labour per month depending on the distance travelled between pools. I'd just rather pay myself 10 every time I cleaned the pool as it only takes me 30 minutes each time.



malsancak


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No1Doyen wrote, "as a guide I would guess you would need between 1200 and 2000 per month"

In the UK a couple on a pension are supposed to only NEED about 10000pa (833pm) to live on, not including rent and council tax. If what you say was true then retiring here for financial reasons would be idiotic. Perhaps you are right.



vikingqueen



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21/11/2009 14:33

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more expensice than the UK now!!



hattikins


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I hav to disagree with message 6, when you take into account council tax/water rates/ energy costs in the UK then NC is definitely not as expensive. Food prices are rising and interest rates are falling here but all in all I think we are much better off financially living here.



sloan



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Interesting figures, but I wonder how the basic/comfortable and well off manage to keep their eating/drinking out to such low figures. Maybe I am still trying to get my head around being semi-resident, but most days seem to be 'Where shall we eat today?'



malsancak


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The challenge of the NCFP article was to see if a pensioner couple could live here on a UK pension. I believe they could, even though in the UK they could have their rent, council tax, medical bills, bus travel etc paid for free.



sloan



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I am sure that they could have a pleasant, comfortable life here - if the playing field remains level.



deecyprus4


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I think when you weigh one up against the other they work out about the same. Council tax in UK expensive, gas for your heating here bloody expensive.



malsancak


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msg 8, sloan wrote, "but I wonder how the basic/comfortable and well off manage to keep their eating/drinking out to such low figures"

That's why we at NCFP wrote the 50TL for a meal and a drink for 2 articles. See http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2009/11/20/50tl-meal-drink-for-2-%E2%80%93-zekis-cafe-and-bar-lapta. This assumes eating out once a week and out for a drink one another day a week. Mind you this does assume "sensible drinking."



Tatum1


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Hi.

What nobody is mentioning is the life style here.

You can have as much or as little social activity here as you like and people are far more friendly than in the UK.Most social life in the UK is expensive and especially if in the Winter months as people are less inclined to want to go out after dark.

I think that all in all it is very difficult to compare the two.

However the weather clearly has to help here and I certainly do not miss the UK weather

HOWEVER MY VOTE IS DEFINITELY TO CHOOSE HERE



mikki09


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Since we have been here, I have found it is more expensive than the uk.



sloan



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malsancak - I now know where I am going wrong, but am enjoying the error of my ways.



loslobos


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You need 1,000 per month to live in TRNC, that's basic living.



malsancak


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again, it's as Tatum1 said, it's down to lifestyle. If you don't drink much or smoke and enjoy the sunshine and BBQ life with friends rather than restaurants then it's cheap to live here. If you have a wood stove rather than central heating, if you buy local food and drink rather than imported at the supermarkets, if you paint your own villa... It's down to lifestyle. At NCFP we hope to break the budget down and show how they work



Woodspeckie


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We live on around 800 a month here in the UK, including insurance, Sky TV, water rates, electric & Gas Diesel TV licence, eating out once a week and a bottle of wine at the weekend and treats for the grandchildren.



Smity



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MSG 6 VQ

Sorry got to disabgee petrol 110 per litre, council Tax 1200/year water rates 400/year gas and electric 1800 -2500/year

Give me TRNC any day, cant wait to retire then Gorden Brown and his cronies can kiss my lilly white backside.



TinLondon


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21/11/2009 23:48

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Smity,



I'm sorry I have to disagree.. My energy costs are no more than 260 a quarter, water (got the bill today) is on average 100 for six months (metered property), telephone, broadband, digital tv is 30 a month, food / grocery, electricals and clothing is also cheaper in UK (depending where you shop). As others have mentioned, the things that are cheaper in NC are things like council tax & petrol, however, I have to be honest, I'm not sure what the true cost of driving is in NC to compare? Things like insurance, road tax (if there's such a thing), but I hear you do need to pay to renew driving licences every 3 years, is that true?



But I do agree with the comments made earlier, it all depends on your lifestyle, you need to take in to account medical / hospital costs, how often you eat out, etc. Overall a very difficult comparison to make.



Jeannie


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Smity, message 19. Blimey - where the hell to you buy your petrol? 110 per litre?



the butler


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The last time I was in Cyprus, I tried to keep a note of things I was spending my money on and then looked at this again when I got home. Eating out and petrol were my biggest spends but I know if I was living there all the time I wouldn't be eating out 3 times a week and as neither of us smoke and my hubby only has a can or two a night we would save there. We would need to plan our journeys so that we weren't using the car every day. Having spoken to my neighbours, they tell me it is a lot different when you live permanantly in Cyprus than when you just visit. You get to know where the best buys are and you stop going out so much. I think we could manage on 200 per week. After all the majority of locals manage to live on just over half of this. I am a good cook and I cook from scratch, so I will save money by not buying convenience foods and only buying the local produce. Also I try to only buy meat twice a week and not wasting anything.



The butlers wife



vikingqueen



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22/11/2009 08:18

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msg 14.. I have lived here for 15 years and I can see the difference in standard of living,,, to expensive here now



AlsancakJack



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TinLondon

Re message 20:



'but I hear you do need to pay to renew driving licences every 3 years, is that true?'



There are options and it is possible to get a 10 year licence.

AJ



Tatum1


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Driving license I believe is 5 or 10 yer option



malsancak


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I'm glad that Woodspeckie and the_butler agree with the 800pm figure. When we first came here in 2002 we found that 500pm could pay for everything including eating out a few times a week. We even discovered one restaurant in Catalkoy where a meal and a drink for 2 was 6! I'll now go into Grumpy Old Man mode, you could get a haircut for 2, a 500ml Gold Fassl in the supermarket was 38p and petrol was 55p a litre.....



bachelibelly


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Just returned from a 3 week visit albeit on my lonesome and i tried to work out an average weekly budget incl everything , house running costs , car costs ,eating out and drinks ,results as follows based on going out 20 nights out of 21 !





Week 1/ 256 as near as dammit although 80 was alcohol oops.and did eat out only twice i think !



Week 2/ 200 as i cooked 3 meals that cost 1.30 each ( bachelors packet pasta mix an large jacket potato)



Week3/ Lost interest in the job as was aving a really good time ,met lots of new friends , i can only remember my bill for last night was 89 tl incl curry at 17 tl and was emptying the fridge.



As a footnote i find the best way to work out costs is to try and knock uk costs of trnc costs or vice versa and use the difference as a guidline figure as when i am away apart from council tax and water house remains empty and you can only eat and drink in one at a time , unfortunately, hic.



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