Dangerous dog breeds!!!!

Mindy



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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 16:17

A 4 year old boy has been mauled to death at his grandmothers home in Liverpool.

This is all too common, the police are checking if it is one of the banned breeds, if so a prosecution could be forthcoming.

Does any one else in TRNC notice a big increase in Staffordshire bull terriers, pit bulls and rottweilers of late.

I am worried about this as unlike UK there is possibly no legislation in place here to control these potentially dangerous breeds if kept by the wrong people.

What are your opinions on this......

smithy


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 16:19

I read this how dreadful, why do people keep these dangerous animals that poor little boy what an awful death

airy____fairy


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 17:34

mmmm good point about dangerous dog breeds however I do beleive that Staffordshire bull terriers are not included on this list ( correct me if I am wrong ) .



I do beleive that 'Pit Bulls' are not allowed in KKTC (however as this is a cross breed I am sure it is difficult for this to be monitored.)



People often assume that ALL large dogs are on this list



http://www.petsdo.com/blog/top-ten-10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds - you may be surprised at this websites top 10 dangerous breeds

Mindy



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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 17:49

I do know that someone near me had an american pit bull , but it went walk about never to return.

airy____fairy


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 17:55

now that is a worry - because this breed is most definately one that I would call dangerous

Mindy



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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:02

airy fairy

That was my concern also, and I have definitely seen these type of dogs more of late albeit on a lead and with young men, seems to be a status symbol of some kind, in the wrong hands can be deadly in my opinion.

Just wouldn't want the same thing to happen here to any child or person thats happened to the poor lad in UK.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:03

In this very sad case there are several points to make.



1. The police were informed that breeding was going on at the property and did nothing, I hope whoever refused to check it out is suspended, then sacked!



2. The parents of this little innocent victim are guilty of neglect for allowing their son to stay in a house where this dog was, they should be prosecuted!



3. The grandmother also should be prosecuted!



4. The owner of the dog should be shot!

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:07

Whilst certain breeds of dog are deemed 'dangerous' it is worth remembering that almost any breed is more than capable of killing a small child. No one, regardless of how tame and friendly they think that a dog is, should leave a small child alone with it.



Paul

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:11

I agree Paul.

Mindy



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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:11

I agree 100%, it has now been confirmed that it was a banned breed. Too late now for the poor mite.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:14

All so sad. Mindy what breed was it. Last report I saw\said tey were still waiting to identfy the breed.

jinyx


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:28

All too common in the " my dog's bigger than your dog" mentallity of the british, shaved headed thugs. Inter breeding of these dogs, makes the problem worse! (just like the owners).

Mindy



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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:31

Lilli

The report says it was a banned pit bull type terrier breed, no i.d. of what breed as yet.

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:34

The article in the link was interesting, especially the comments afterwards



DD

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:35

I heard it was an American Pit Bull.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:36

I think Pit Bull Terriers were (supposedly) banned in the UK some while ago. However, apparently they are 'difficult to identify' as this particular breed of dog is often cross bred.



Doesn't make it any better, though, does it? These dogs are apparently "status symbols", although what sort of status they represent beats me!

joandjelly


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:41

I think that would be "Chav Status" Jeannie.

japeal



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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:54

Staffordshire Bull Terriers are not Pitbulls!!! they are lovely dogs i know i have 2 brought them over from uk.



All breed of dogs can kill if wrongly brought up and trained. To many people get a dog but cannot be bothered to train or look after them properly. Even well trained dogs no matter what breed should also never be left alone with children. 99% of blame should go to owners/parents who do not constantly watch their dogs/children when dogs are around.



It is terrible when anyone gets killed by a dog, my condolences go to the family concerned, but do not blame the dog alone/

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:59

joandjelly



Couldn't agree more!



Japeal



I don't blame the dogs - like you, I blame the irresponsible owners. I have a friend who has a Staffie, which she loves, but she would never leave it unaccompanied with her grandson. This is because the dog is very protective of her (its owner) and very jealous also.

Mindy



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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 19:05

I was going to same, the dog is not to blame atall, it is how it has been reared and treated by the breeder/owners. I would say children and these breeds do not go together. Disaster waiting to happen.

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 19:09

I have 2 adorable dogs, not a vicious bone in their body...however, if anyone asks if they bite, my answer is always...'they haven't yet'....



All dogs have the capacity to bite and maim people, and not one single dog wether they be pit pulls or labs, should be left alone with small children...full stop!



DD

paddywack


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 19:39

Msg 21,Totally agree, dogs are not dangerous,it is irresponsible owners/breeders who are dangerous.

climakool


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 21:37

I totally agree - these breeds of dogs have it bred in them if they are encouraged to be vicious then they will be - I have 2 staffies and they are as stupid as anything - but that doesn't mean to say that I dont trust them 100% you never know what triggers them off - you have to be a responsible owner !

adagirl


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 21:38

Any and all breed of dog can bite. I have been bitten twice by a dog and they were both jack russells! (hate the breed now!! But they are ALL dogs. I own a large breed dog (giant schnauzer) bred to herd cattle originally. He is a big softie, BUT, I would NEVER guarantee his behavior with anyone unless I was there with him. That is why I NEVER let him out to roam around! Why a dog turns on a child, God only knows, but I blame the owner not the dog. but as a grandmother of 4 boys I cannot imagine how that woman feels. It is a tragic tragic story. How did the dog get to the child? That is what I dont understand.

mark64uk


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 22:00

it was confirmed on the news tonight that the dog was an illegal breed i just hope the owner of this dog is charged with manslaughter why do idiots have dogs that they cant fully control

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 22:03

The Dogs owner us apparently in the Army. He left the dog with his family.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 22:12

This story get worse.How can a dog like that be left with a child. I have a staffi. Brought him here from UK. he is so gentle with kids but never in my wildest dreams would I leave him alone with any of my younger grandkids. However I have to say on my youngest visit here a couple of weeks ago he followed that child everywhere. He was so protective. xx Do they breed them for fighting.

adagirl


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 22:19

I agree lilli, some dogs are bred for "show" and never mind the welfare of the dog or what they may do. I trust my big dog, he sits,lays down etc etc but how do you ever leave a dog in a room with a child?

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 22:22

Adagirl. You ask how did the dog get to the child? this was supposed to have happened at midnight I would ask why was the child up at that time of the night, he was attending school so why wasn't in he bed? A picture was shown on TV news tonight of a teenage boy leaving the property and it was thought he was the dogs owner, had a hoodie on pulled over his face to hide from the camera, he is the boy's uncle.

Teresa


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 00:06

I have a Bullmastiff and she is a big softie but i would never leave her alone with any child. Dogs have feelings the same as humans the only difference is that a dog cant tell you if it has and aches or pains, all it would take is a child to touch a dog that is in pain and it could turn.

I have listened to so many radio phone ins about this subject and one comment struck me the most. Children need to be trained to cope with dogs as well as the other way round.

The full story is not known yet but as a grandmother myself i know that she will never forgive herself and must be going through sheer hell.

simbas



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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 00:23

It was said on the news that the little boy was sleeping downstairs , at the back of the house where the dog was kept ! i don't know if it was actually in the same room . Horrendous way to die , bless him , another unnecessary waste of a life a child . We may think we know our dogs , but do we really ? The grandmother must have thought she did , or she wouldn't have left the little boy anywhere near it .

Good night , Simbas

millzer


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 00:44

poor little boy sad sad loss of life !!!!







Mrs M

phylray



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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 01:23

I can never understand people who leave a small child anywhere near this type

of dog. It has happened before, and they never seem to learn.

Was the child asleep, as was the baby killed few years ago?

scruff


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 01:31

Sorry to hear about this. There are pit bulls here. I've seen them, Are they inherently dangerous as a breed or just trained to be vicious? I do not know. I'm generally very nervous with dogs that I don't know & I know I'm not alone. I was once chased here, close to my house, by a dog owned by a TC.that roamed free. I was petriified & it has stopped me walking near where I live as a result. Unfortunately the poor dog was shot & killed by hunters last year. It's body was just left where it died despite the owner being told.

Even my Cypriot cat has bitten me out of the blue on occasions. I don't know why?

My friends have 3 dogs & the only snappy one is a hunting dog (pointer). Maybe she was badly treated in her previous life. The answer is never to be totally trusting with any animal & never, ever leave a child alone with a dog. Some children also tend to tease animals. It's a fact of life.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 08:05

I just repeat what I said in my earlier message, how could a grandmother leave a 4 year old anywhere near a dog.



She should be shot!

Pixie


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 09:44

How terrible..



We have a huge problem, we live in a development of 20 homes, we were one of the first to move in, and on our left is a pitt bull, on our right is a rottweiller. Im petrified something will happen to my baby son 4months old. We never leave him unattended but I know that these dogs can jump the dismally small walls around our houses. As we are renting I have thought about moving away, But what should I do?



Should I report the pittbull (Which is in CAGE ) BUT often taken on walks around the neighbourhood.



I am afraid of retaliation as I have a cat and dog myself, and Im working in Istanbul on the weekends.



We are surrounded by a group of 4-5 families who are very good friends and live in each others pockets.



What to do?

Lilli



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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 09:47

Oh Pixie what a dilema. First that beasutiful boy has to be protected at all costs. I think I would be inclined to move xx

sienna


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 10:31

any breed of dog is potentially a killer - pit bulls are breed to fight and are a banned dog in the UK, but some are as harmless and loving. I have know labradors having a snap at my boxer dog who whimpers on the floor and wouldn't hurt a fly, it is what is in them and how they are trained and who the owner is !



Bad call to keep a child next to this dog and they have suffered the ultimate price poor little soul, the grandmother was injured as well - you never know when a dog will turn for whatever reason always remember that. Even with my boxer baby whom is as soft as anything I wouldn't leave her alone with a any child and she loves kids including my 2 lovely grandchildren. I also when out walking always put her on the lead when children approach in case they are frightened then if they ask to stroke her she is allowed to approach them and be let lose under supervision - Pixie be very careful

Sazna


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 10:45

If you can afford to do it i would put in place some higher boundries fencing or something like that.

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 18:15

dogs are only agressive if the owners make them like it



watch ceasar milan if you want proof otherwise



he uses a pitbull to calm other unruly dogs especially the little scrappy things which always bite yer

Lilli



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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 18:23

I took my stafi to traing courses in UK. He\is wonderful with people. Since bringing him here Im on my guard against other dogs. Maybe they become teritorial xxxxx

sienna


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 18:29

Ceasar Milan is my hero he is fantastic with dogs I learnt a lot from him, when my dog got attacked by a rottie cross breed I knew how to handle it ! my boxers boyfriend is a satffi but she is the only other dog he likes !

Hippo


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 18:43

Small man big dog

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 19:08

Sienna...i also am a Ceasar Milan fan....he just makes so much sense...good to know i'm not the only one!



DD

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 19:15

Pixie - MOVE - the day will come when that dog is out its cage; I never blame the dog but the owners, but as your little one starts to toddle and grow, you will be living on your nerves. So often the thing on the end of the lead (and I DON'T mean the dog) should be taken somewhere, and trained - but because it has soaked up like a sponge, through learned behaviour, to be a thuggish mentality, and because it is clearly an inadequate dysfunctional yob, oftentimes using the animal as a penis extension - all the training in the world may be too late. I notice that the last few children murdered by dogs, have been staying with grandma, whose sons own the dogs - I am NOT targetting all mothers of sons, but is there a connection in these cases that the mothers can't distance themselves far enough, to see their sons are raising killing machines? I think all adults involved in leaving a vulnerable child near one of these animals should be brought to justice, the owner, locked up.

adagirl


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 19:32

I remember seeing a TV report a few years ago about the Japanese Akita (fighting dog) and was very amazed that a woman in Japan used the dog as a .................babysitter!! Its true! She left her two (under 8 yrs) children with dog while she worked. The dog just layed down and watched the children for several hours a day, wouldnt let the kids in the kitchen and wouldnt let a stranger in the house!!! Bizarre to say the least.

rowan


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 23:37

to Adagirl



have tried to pm you but it did not go. Could you contact me please re your giant schauzer

adagirl


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Message Posted:
03/12/2009 13:00

have emailed you Rowan

Lilli



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Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:23

Hi it now appears that the little boys 21 year old uncle has been arrested over this sad incident.

Mindy



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Message Posted:
03/12/2009 18:39

Lilli

This seems to be a common factor, he will be most likely be banned for a period in keeping a dog and a fine and just maybe a slap on the wrist

rupertb


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Message Posted:
03/12/2009 19:43

Pit bulls are an extremely difficult breed to identify and in many cases staffie crosses are mistaken for pit bulls. I attended a pit bull id course with the police force and even the instructors could not always be certain to id them correctly. Indeed pits are a banned breed but sadly people are still buying and selling them in the UK although this is illegal.

Staffies however are known as a loving breed and many sensible owners are tarred by the young thugs who use them as a weapon or fashion accessory, many ending up in dog shelters when these people get bored of them.

Any dog can be dangerous no matter how loving a pet they are and should not be mixed with children without strict supervision.

A dog senses fear, and this excites him which could provoke an attack. Sadly a scene which I have witnessed many times.

It is sad to read stories like this.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
04/12/2009 07:52

The Uncle has been arrested and is facing manslaughter charges..GOOD.

clarets



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Message Posted:
04/12/2009 08:19

Certain breeds of dog are more likely to attack people or other dogs....that is fact. However,as ALL dogs are capable of attack......even ones that are owned by responsible owners,who take good care of them,it is highly irresponsible for ANY dog to ge left with any child at ANY time. It is my opinion that any dog attacking a human being be put down and the owner prosecuted. The owner should be bannd from keeping dog for LIFE. It never fails to amaze me how people cannot undertand how their little "fido" suddenly became a killing machine.........a dogs dentition gives it the capability to maim and kill......and ALL animals have the capability to be unpredictable........no matter what their breeding or ownership!

adagirl


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Message Posted:
04/12/2009 10:10

irresponsible breeding also has a lot to answer for. Just because I own a pedigree dog and you may have one of the same breed doesn't mean the two should breed! It also worries me that people advertise, desperate, for instance (on here recently) for an alsation. Why that breed? Is the would be owner familiar with the needs of such a dog - or do they just like the look of them? Being bitten twice in my life (oddly by the same breed - Jack Russell) I admit that I would never own one, never recommend one to anybody despite their small size!! Claret is right ALL dogs are capable of biting despite their cuddly demenour!!