all title deeds are now classified as TRNC Freehold a year ago

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 17:34

just informed there's no longer exchange land or the other to safe guard all foreign investment from a year ago

anyone able to tell what the difference now is to a greek cypriot

guess all claims now revert to TRNC direct

Hector


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 17:36

Yeah right....

malsancak


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 17:36

who exactly informed you about this basheer?

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 17:42

Estate agent while discussing a property for sale of a turkish title land which was actually verified as exchange land by another agent and was told titles did not matter anymore since last year it's classified as on title now

Tootie


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 17:45

Your supposed to put [joke] in the title basheer

petez


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:05

sorry basheer , I am a bit slow can you let explain it a little clearer for us thicko's .. thanks..

Tootie


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:10

Sounds like dodgy estate agents just lying to make a sale?

sporty


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:21

An estate agent will tell you anything to get a sale!uk or nc imo,that being said there are honest ones too and i'm glad i found one! You should have called his/her bluff and asked for a copy of the law to prove their statement,i bet you they would backtrack on it! nice thought though.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 18:26

an estate agent, any particular one basheer?

basheer



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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 19:21

I was'nt buying and only asked the agent please I am trying to refrain from mentioning his name but I mentioned a property I nearly bought in 2008 which was exchange land but did not however then I saw this same property selling by another agent afew weeks age calling it turkish title so i queried this with the original agent to clarify the title,to which the reply was it's now TRNC freehold for all title deeds, there's no buying here so there was no need to make a sell

the apartment is in Karakum by the sea front I think remax calls this a turkish title sale but really it's not probably a mistake and from this came about the TRNC FREEHOLD deeds now issued

if you guys can verify this with your agents you deal with and see what actually is the phrase when buying property now in north cyprus

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 19:28

The old kocans did state what category they were eg ES for esdeger. The new kocans don't state any of this, so there is no way to tell by looking at the kocan, unless y ou have an older copy.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
01/12/2009 19:38

Sibel is quite correct any Kocans that are issued now are all classed as TRNC Freehold - http://www.azureoverseas.com/cyprus/overview/north-cyprus/

malsancak


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 19:40

"just informed there's no longer exchange land or the other to safe guard all foreign investment from a year ago !"

Not quite sure how there not being exchange land any more safeguards anything. You buy land previously owned by GC (or even just live in it) and the GC could sue you in the UK if the Orams loses their case.

cooper


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Message Posted:
01/12/2009 19:42

I must add the link i provided is very old news !!

basheer



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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 13:29

I don't think Greek Cypriots can now approach persons here direct ,if they want to claim they need to deal with TRNC direct

petez


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Posts: 560

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 13:34

was confused before.. now I am totally at a loss!

basheer



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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:01

Petez seems TRNC are trying to woo back investments, the oram's case has scared home owners to sell and has stopped further buyers coming ,this exchange land title deed is valueless so TRNC have changed the wording, calling it TRNC FREEHOLD this wording is supposed to make new buyers secure and us feel better.

we need to know what this new wording means on paper to all of us, I think it means if any southerners approach us in the future, all we have to do is direct them to TRNC to deal with their claim as they own it to do what they please

so opinions please to this issue thanks

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:07

Hi Basheer, many thanks for explaining it..



Maybe someone should ask Naomi Memhet?

http://www.living-in-northern-cyprus.com/review/2009/11/north-cyprus-legal-advice-octnov-2009/



she may be able to throw some light on it.. looks to me as if they are just trying to mislead potential buyers..

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:16

It has been common knowledge for quite a long time now, I and many others were informed last year that there would be changes in title deeds this year in that the title to property in TRNC would be TRNC Freehold which was to be guaranteed by the TRNC government as TRNC Freehold Land and legally sold to the purchaser.

There will be no ESD, TMD etc on any new Kocan under this new law.

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:20

saints, what about my title deed that states exchange land(purchased may08)will there be a difference of protection to the one that states TRNC FREEHOLD

petez


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Posts: 560

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:24

Hi TheSaints, thanks for the reply...

So does that mean that from last year.. if anyone buying a property in North Cyprus has a problem with the original land owner then the TRNC government will compensate the original owners? or compensate the buyer if they have to leave their property?



(sorry not sure what ESD, and TMD stand for)

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:26

Apparently the change in land title description to TRNC Freehold will only be on Kocans issued from 2009 onwards.

Having purchased your property in 2008 if you have not got your Kocan yet when you do it will say TRNC Freehold irespective of what the old one said prior to purchase.

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:28

I wonder if Ismet has a view on this? It is a while since I have noticed a posting from our excelent friend.

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:35

Hi Petez



ESD Esdeger (Exchange) TMD is Military points based (if I remember correclty).

The TRNC Govt issued statements that it was safe for foreign investors to buy TRNC Freehold land as it was Guaranteed by the TRNC Govt.

So if all land is now to be known as TRNC Freehold then in effect All land/property should come under Government Guarantee.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:37

I don't see how this protects anyone. If a GC is able to serve you with court papers then there is nothing that you can do in terms of directing them to the TRNC Government.

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:43

JJ



It is also now illegal for a GC to serve you with papers in the TRNC, also with the IPC the local remedy now gaining more recognition papers being served on an individual will be a thing of the past.

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:51

guess this should make us all feel better from what you say saints, what do you feel about your investment knowing what you know

bazilbrush


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:55

I sold a european titled villa 5 years ago and now the villa has come up for sale again, but as I can no longer find an old copy of the original deeds the owner is finding it very difficult to prove it was indeed european title although we both know it was 100%. The new kocan does not show anything stating it was european title and the land office dont seem to be of much help either, all they said was it is now trnc title. Might upset a few people that have paid extortionate prices. The only good thing for these people is that they wont get anyone putting a claim in for it.

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:59

All land in the TRNC is under the control of the TRNC State which guarantees the lands title



Either you recognise the TRNC or you don't , you can't just accept a few bits of it are "legal" and the rest are not.



If the Normans came back and said "we own Hastings", would the deeds/land owned by the homeowners be any less valid, NO, because the deeds are issued by the UK State - any arguments are with the UK Government, not the land owner



Mark

joandjelly


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Message Posted:
02/12/2009 15:03

Hi TheSaints I was going to put on my post that I thought it was illegal but I still don't see what difference this makes because surely once you've been served that's it and as we all know (ref Orams), not attending court is no defence and would not stop the RoC court ruling in your absence. Please tell me if I have the wrong end of the stick.

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 15:14

JJ



If you were approached you do not accept anything you, you have not been served with papers unless you physically take them when offered in some cases you even sign for them. You would ask them to show you documented proof that they previously owned the property prior to 1974 if they have it and you agree tell them you agree and that you have no problem with it and acting in accordance with TRNC law refer the plaintif to the IPC the local remedy for property issues.

Oh and take the registration number of the vehicle they are in and call the police so they can be lifted for breaking the law.

There have been a few changes made since the Orams were fist served with papers.

As far as the TRNC Govt are concerned any Ruling regarding property made by the ROC courts is not valid within the TRNC.

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 16:16

Thanks for all the info, there is question for Naomi submitted on Lincguide so look out for that next week..

If anyone else has a question they would like an answer on regarding the law in north cyprus please feel free to submit it http://www.living-in-northern-cyprus.com/review/2009/11/north-cyprus-legal-advice-octnov-2009/

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 19:20

mark message 29:



surely you meant to say: "if the saxons came back..." etc?

nonetheless the point is otherwise valid, assuming the trnc is actually a state:



no says the eu and mark 6xm etc etc

yes says karl marx since it is a body of armed men (sic)

no says the greek cypriot administration south of the green line

yes says cristofias by his his actions in meeting with the north cyprus authorities

no say the international lawyers paid to fight for claimed former occupants

yes says turkey a founder member of nato and cyprus security guarantor



you pays your money and so on?



not exactly...

if logic has anything to do with it, the greek cypriots must realize that by mid-century

hardly any former occupant will remember a previous "life" in north cyprus, state or no



sad? perhaps

inevitable? well, I would say so at the present rate of knots

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 14:28

the Orams case is a well planned and executed plan to delay the peace talks here in North Cyprus, as you know your self this case has been ongoing for the past 6 years.







The government took this measure of changing the status of title deeds to ensure that they themselves do not differentiate between the land types here in North Cyprus. This in my eye is a way of the government making an unofficial statement saying that all Land in the north is Freehold TRNC property.







When a solicitor now does a search on a property the land status doses not appear and there is no way of finding out what the status of the land was!!! Just recently Mr Erdogan president of Turkey was asked the question if he was to choose between Turkey joining the EU or backing independence in Cyprus which he would do, his answer was that he would back North Cyprus all the way..