Beware new scam circulating on web www.uktvdirect.com

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 07:20

People beware of new scam http://www.uktvdirect.com!!

This company is requesting money for a non-existant service.

They have a fake channel list and satellite which are fictitious!

A few hundred people have been conned and lost their money.



An application to relevant authorities to shut down that website has been submitted but no result so far.



People beware and avoid that scam!

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 07:40

Had a few lately knew they were scams so I never opened them just deleted, best way to deal with them

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 08:39

RE msg 1, antifraudteam: (...) People beware of new scam http://www.uktvdirect.com!! (...)

=> Probably pedantic again , but you cannot include one or more exclamation marks in a URL. This will work: http://www.uktvdirect.com

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 10:07

Now come on Hans, you had a semi-colon the other day!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 10:19

Better than colonic irrigation, I would have thought, though!

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 18:46

not so direct uk tv is a old scam



surely you all knew



i wonder when charlie boy will surface?

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 23:17

Sorry for the typo.

The scam website is http://www.uktvdirect.com



Please spread the word as much as you can to prevent these thieves stealing more money to people.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 23:40

RE msg 7, antifraudteam: (...) prevent these stealing more money to people. (...)

=> I love thieves stealing money to me.

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 08:23

please people tell your friends and families about this scam.

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 08:41

Is there a genuine website for UK TV Direct? Or is the whole thing Micky Mouse?

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 09:14

The website is working but the problem is all the fake info written on there!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 11:00

'Anti fraud team'



ppl might take you more seriously if you didn't just appear with a new id and hide your true ID..





But it's OK, I don't hide my ID and 'UK tv not so Direct' have had plenty of airtime to demonstrate their inability to deliver..



My email address is uktvnotsodirect_and_their_fanclub@uktvabroad.com - it is a genuine, working addy .. I would like to hear more, in confidence.

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 13:00

What airtime?

It´s all fake,there is no broadcast available from uktvdirect.com.

The channel list and satellite are fake,they ask you 595 euros and don´t deliver anything!

Keep this message up to avoid more people being conned.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 14:33

antifraudteam,



Spill the beans then. How are people being ripped off? Are people paying €595 up front or are they paying a deposit with balance on completion?



' A few hundred people have been conned and lost their money. '

So how much have they lost and are you in touch with these people?



With the member name 'antifraudteam' you are either an organisation set up to bring these people to task or there is something more to this than meets the eye.

And I think I also know the answer to that question already but willing to be proved wrong.

AJ

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 15:11

AJ, this is the latest 'bird' UK TV not so direct claim to be available from:



http://www.lyngsat.com/eb9a.html



Don't find them listed - or even testing ... I'd know as Wifey get HDPlatforma.ru a Russian package..



It seems - like last time 'Charles' is either premature or has already been and gone ...

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 15:41

ok mr. smartarse antifraudteam, here i am, as a spokesman for uktvdirct.



your first task is to produce on this forum ONE person who has been defrauded by uk tv direct..

ONE PERSON WHO HAS SENT MONEY TO UK TVDIRECT.



do that and i will then answer any other questions.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 15:49

Mark

I think you need to re-read my message. I have no concerns as to whether UKTVDIRECT is a viable proposition, I am more concerned about a new member that has the dubious logon name of 'antifraudteam' saying that hundreds of people have been ripped off. I only think it is fair to have more clarity on these particular accusations. You know how much I dislike 'untruths'

AJ

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:01

antifraudteam.

You have e-mail.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:05

AJ,

just to digress slightly, and possibly breaking board rules by discussing 'Admin' biz on the Forum (not something that I am wont to do, as you know) BUT -

Surely ALL new Members are vetted - yes?

Surely the first few posts at least, by a new member are vetted before they go 'live' on the forum - yes?

Surely then it's a bit late for you to start worrying about the authenticity of a new member, and the purpose of their posts - yes?

Is there ANY sort of organisation at all on here? yes / no (delete as appropriate)

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:11

anti fraudteam you are a long time replying with the list of defrauded customers.

I will make it easier for you.

produce the name an details of ONE PERSON who has been defrauded by uktvdirect in EUROPE. (NOT JUST CYPRUS)

come_on_aylin


Joined: 14/06/2008
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:23

Keith,



Likewise kingkong?

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:29

anti fraudteam you are a long time replying with the list of defrauded customers.

I will make it easier for you.

produce the name an details of ONE PERSON who has been defrauded by uktvdirect in EUROPE. (NOT JUST CYPRUS)

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:46

Mr. antifraudteam. who have made a serious allegation of fraud on this forum.

it is time to produce some evidence.

keithcaley



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Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:48

come_on_aylin, -

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:50

reply msg 21



i received a email at support@uktvdirect.com inviting me to come on to this forum to answer his allegations.

otherwise i would not be here.

perhaps he did not expect me to appear and has himself slipped back down his hole.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:50

Keith

'Surely ALL new Members are vetted - yes?'

What do you mean 'vetted'?

'Surely the first few posts at least, by a new member are vetted before they go 'live' on the forum - yes?'

Yes but that can be done by any one of the Forum Admins.

'Surely then it's a bit late for you to start worrying about the authenticity of a new member, and the purpose of their posts - yes?'

Yes of course I should not bother about potentially slanderous posts and what I should have done was delete the membership of the aforementioned poster without asking questions. That would have been fair would it not?

New members sometimes can be devious and can post a few innocuous posts with which they think they can get around the original initial post review procedure and then they start to post the way they had always intended to.

As you rightly pointed out this is not the place to discuss moderation of the board. Please feel free to e-mail

me with any other questions you may have.

AJ

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 22:44

All the people involved are asking to remain anonymous.

Some of them say they have been receiving some sort of a service for a short period,after FULL payment(no monthly installments) from Intelsat905 satellite.

Then everything disappeared and refund requests have been rejected.



Police authorities are being contacted in various countries,although we decided to concentrate on the United Kingdom and Spain as we believe those are relevant venues of this scam.

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 22:53

Exciting & intriguing stuff !!!

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 22:54

Forum member kingkong,as you claim to be a uktvdirect spokeperson,



why are you advertising a service which is not broadcasting?

why don´t you offer refunds to people?

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 23:36

reply to msg 27.

nice to see you back mr. antifraudteam.



could u tell me why anyone in the uk would be interested in this service as all of the channels are free to air and available with small dish?

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 23:42

kingkong does have a point?

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 23:51

reply to msg 29.



why would any one who has been "conned" wish to remain anonymous?

I have asked u to produce evidence of ONE PERSON being defrauded by uktvdirect.

where is that one person who has paid any money to uktvdirect and asked for a refund and not received it.

come on then mr. antifraudteam I will make it easier for you.

you have produced not one name in cyprus, so i extended it to europe, still nobody so i will make it easier.

you produce evidence of ONE PERSON IN THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE who has been defrauded by uktvdirect.



as the saying goes PUT UP OR SHUT UP. u are making yourself look an idiot.



uktvdirect is not a scam or con. the 20 channels as indicated have broadcasted for 5 months from intelsat 905.

until problems with the satellite broadcast. negotiations are ongoing with another satellte uplink company and the broadcast will restart soon.



so again i say mr antifraudteam produce evidence of ONE SINGLE PERSON who has been defrauded by uktvdirect.

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 23:57

The negotiation thing is just a trick to take time and give an answer to people.

There is no way Eurobird can host your services,as they have contracts in place with BBC Worldwide to carry their overseas channel BBC Prime.



The United Kingdom IS relevant to this issue not in relation to viewers,but to where some of the agents might be located.

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 23:59

reply msg 29.



why do we not offer refunds?



do you know anyone who has asked for a refund and not received one?

do you actually know anyone who has even asked for a refund????



PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!! u are making yourself look and idiot.

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 00:04

reply to msg 33.



oh dear, u seem to be straying from the subject here. you say hundreds of people have been defrauded.

it appears you cannot answer the questions.



ONE PERSON WHO HAS BEEN DEFRAUDED BY UKTVDIRECT. WHERE IS HE/SHE???

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 01:45

People don´t want to be nominated here.

But one person is from Naples and told us all channels disappeared more than a month ago and he was given the same excuse of the ongoing negotiations with another satellite.

He was told services would have started again the following week!

After that time,he then asked for a refund and was told it was not possible.



Now mr kingkong,time for you to give some answers:



Why these supposed negotiations are going on for so long?

How can it possibly be that such a big satellite operator as Eutelsat,which has contracts with BBC Worldwide for BBC Prime,would enter in negotiations with you?

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 09:08

You started this thread with allegations of 200 plus people being defrauded by uktvdirect.

I personally am not in a position to answer questions regarding negotiations with the broadcasters. But am more than happy to answer any questions regarding the "antifraudteam" allegations of fraud.



200 plus people who want to remain anonymous. ?????? how strange.

oh by the way there is one person in Naples. really????

should the one person in naples which to join in the forum and produce some evidence of your claim i will be happy to answer his questions. (will be difficult though as we have no customers in Italy)



Mr antifraudteam or whatever u wish to call yourself as i have said before PUT UP OR SHUT UP, u are making yourself look and idiot.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 09:13

Kingkong, who next bloody "Godzilla"



http://tachyontv.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/03/tommy_cooper.jpg

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 09:33

Hi AJ



re msg 17



>>I think you need to re-read my message. I have no concerns as to whether UKTVDIRECT is a viable proposition, I am more concerned about a new member that has the dubious logon name of 'antifraudteam' saying that hundreds of people have been ripped off. I only think it is fair to have more clarity on these particular accusations. You know how much I dislike 'untruths' <<



Hi AJ,



I am suspicious of folks joining boards to spam / anti-spam, too .. I offered 'antifraudteam' the opportunity for me to vet the info...!



As for 'untruths'.. I'm glad you dislike them - there's nought worse than being 'accused' of possibly issuing them,..is there ?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 09:45

Dear 'James' - spokesperson for UK TV [not so] direct'..in fact not even broadcasting..





I don't think antifaudteam has gone about this in the best way..



But I believe I can help



1/ Did 'Charles' of 'your' company not tell us of over 2000 Agents - who must have been doing 2/3 installs a day?! ..surely all these folk must be hppping mad to lose their Intelsat service - which of course was predicted..



2/ Didn't 'Charles' say that the agents take the payments - hence 'you' couldn't take payments by credit card.... FYI - at the time - knowing this biz model / satellite platform - especially for Cyprus - was on a hiding to nothing - I was suggesting folk pay by credit card - and monthly in advance ... 'Charles' said that wasn't possible as the *agents* took the dosh..



SO.. there much be agents - who have taken oodles of cash, for a non-functioning service..



3/ So, can you tell us who has that money and HOW you could know who has/ has not been 'refunded' ?



( more fo

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 09:56

4/ Anonymity : glad you brought that up.. 'Charles' could provide us with ONE client on the island.. stating the agents would know that...



5/ I doubt there are ANY clients on Cyprus- may be some 'agent' who had bought useless stock..if there is one, I wonder what the procedure would be to refund



6/ As to your comment: 'No customers in Italy'.. then, as I doubt there were any in Cyprus, this doesn't say much for 'Charles' claims re all those 'installations'..





Basically, as I see it, we have a company that claimed 1000's of clients - but 'not' in Italy or Cyprus (!) - that didn't take the dosh directly - apparently - and a proven record of technical ineptness ( re dish sizes in Cyprus)





Methinks there haven't been too many 'disappointed' clients - you are probably right to be 'angry' at 'antifraudteam' ;)



I wonder where 'BeanBag' is?..

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 10:22

not sure how to reply to your thread regards previous discussions with Charles and not wishing to troll thru all of the previous threads.

but the fact is i recieved a email from somebody claiming to be antifraudteam inviting me to answer allegations of uktvdirect defrauding hundred of people.

I am happy to answer these allegations. all we need is somebody who claims to have been defrauded

(that can be an agent if you wish)



i think we need a little more though than "somebody" in naples or 200 people who for some reason wish to remain anonymous.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 12:21

re msg 42



Mr 'Spokesperson' for 'UK TV [not so] Direct'



Agreed, the OP shouldn't have posted without 'proof'.. but they just seem to be following UK TV [not so ] Direct's 'cop out' approach - when facts are required...





>>not sure how to reply to your thread regards previous discussions with Charles <<



Well you are the 'spokesperson' you could address the points I made in THIS thread...! Honest answers would be good ..





1/ Does you company have 2000+ 'agents' ?



2/ Does you company have any installations on Cyprus ?



3/ Are you even broadcasting and from where ( tech specs - freqs, etc. ) ?



4/ Are you 'BeanBAG'? .. He was called 'James', same age, and was happily watching UK TV [not so] Direct ..but was confused whether he was in Turkey, or may be Spain ?!



5/ What is the policy to refund folk who have paid the agent and have nought to show for it... ?

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 12:27

king kong is charlie boy ,now even more not so direct uk tv.



next scam in the making



watch this space.



please be patient, it will be a gudd unn

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 13:18

ok u say it is a scam. produce ONE SINGLE PERSON who has been scammed by uktvdirect.

or are u another big mouth with nothing to back it up.

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 13:27

re msg 43.



1. as has been stated very clearly uktvdirect were only agents for the parent company.

2. no. as you have said previously, miscalculations where made with the required dish size in Cyprus.

3. at this moment. no

4. no

5. we have no customers, whether agents or direct customers who are out of pocket.



there we go, nice honest answers. I have done my bit so all we need now is that one person to produce any evidence that they have been defrauded by uktvdirect.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 13:27

kingkong. the proof is in the pudding.



There is no pudding



unless you look in the mirror!



answer 6m,s questions. and do yourself a big favour

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 13:35

so charlie boy aka Ting Tong has been lieing all the time !



it was once said you had lots of agents and fitters and also had them already in place in cyprus.

now your backtracking.

you havent got sausage,diddley.nutton



il keep useing http://www.filmon.com



why on earth would i need to spend 550Euros when i get it all for free

all them euros will buy me a hell of alot of vodka redbull charlie boy aka ting tong

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 13:42

re msg 47.

i thought i had answered mms questions.

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 13:50

one thing that clearly is shown by this whole debate and the number of enquiries that we have had from cyprus, is that there are many dissapointed people in cyprus by the availablity of uk tv there.

There is clealy a need for this or a similar service in cyprus.

please note i say dissapointed. but not one single person has been defrauded out of any money.

if anyone would like to prove differently it is time to do so now.



as i keep saying put up or shut up.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 14:38

Dear 'James'



Thanks for your response.. I note you didn't answer these questions - or tried to 'duck 'em' ..



>> 1/ Does you company have 2000+ 'agents' ? Answer : as has been stated very clearly uktvdirect were only agents for the parent company. <<





Funny that Charles was telling us different.. 'WE' was used.. care to comment?



>>2/ Does you company - via an agent - have any installations on Cyprus ? You answered this .. ". no. as you have said previously, miscalculations where made with the required dish size in Cyprus. " << ???



You see I think you may be - sort of - telling the truth - as folk can't be scammed - if they didn't pay up.. no clients in other words..



Sorry, your answers weren't all 'honest'.. but may be on reading this - you might like to be TOTALLY honest..



But now it raises the issue of who *is* telling the truth .. you or Charles?..

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 15:27

The still unanswered question is: this service will NEVER be on air again,because there is no way Eurobird can be used to rebroadcast BBC channels without permission.

So people keep in mind uktvdirect is finished,we are only trying to avoid new people being taken by this scam.

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 15:32

You should at least remove the fake channel list from your website,and the Eurobird picture.

Also removing the price with a TBA (to be announced) label instead so people can be aware there is nothing broadcasting now.

That´s what you call honesty.

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 15:48

We contacted today the person from Naples and he said he has a bank transfer receipt reporting the FULL YEARLY amount paid to get the service.

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 15:54

sorry, but which question do you think i have not answered or tried to duck?

do we have 2000 agents? if that is the question you think i have avoided the answer is no.



i feel i have answered all that needs to be answered and await anyone person who can produce any evidence that they have been defrauded by uktvdirect

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 16:04

oh dear antifraudman.

who has been taken in by this "scam".

as long as we believe the broadcast will restart the website will remain. no one I REPEAT NO ONE has paid any money since the closure of the intelsat broadcast. and no one will be asked to.



if we are a scam, as you imply i can close the website within the next hour and just dissapear from this forum.

instead i am answered your questions.

however u TOTALLY fail to answer mine. produce evidence of ONE, I REPEAT ONE PERSON who has been scammed by uktvdirect.



oh be the way my aunty in Adelaide has got a receipt as well. but thats not from uktvdirect either. its from

B & Q.

perhaps the person in naples would like to post their receipt somewhere in this forum if the admin will permit.



so here we go again antifraudman. PUT UP OR SHUT UP

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 16:20

What basis make you believe the service will restart?

It´s impossible it can be on Eurobird.

You can keep your website on but remove the misleading parts such as the channel list and price on the homepage.

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 16:35

There is no plausible reason to believe this service can restart now that the only possible solution,American owned satellite Intelsat,has failed to work.

Eutelsat,a EU company,is never going to allow this rebroadcasting service on its fleet.



So kingkong if you still believe this it could be you are being fooled by the uplink company itself if they tell you that.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 16:48

antifraudteam

You started off by accusing UKTVDIRECT of operating a scam and defrauding hundreds of people out of their money, now you are changing tact. Please prove to all on this board that the aforementioned business has defrauded 'hundreds of people'. That was your original accusation and you still have not supplied any evidence to support this accusation. Whether UKTVDIRECT is a valid business model is at this moment immaterial just please provide evidence of this alleged fraud.

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 16:53

thank you mr. admin.

that is the point i have been trying to make for the last 24 hours.

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 17:02

I´m surprised to see an Admin in defense of these scammers.

If you don´t want people to know about this scam you can remove the thread if you want.

James from UKTVDIRECT will be happy if this thread gets removed so more people from Cyprus can be conned.



Anyway we are going to ask the person from Naples if he´s willing to supply some of his mail correspondance to the company.

Believe me he´s angry and has even made a denunciation to the local police station in Naples.

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 17:06

why would i be happy to see the thread closed. i have answered every question put to me regarding your original allegation.

you have simply made yourself look and idiot.

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 17:17

James as you are online to read the posts,just answer to the question:how on this world can uktvdirect service be allowed to restart?Do you really believe it?

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 17:24

what i believe or not is neither here nor there.

the system is not being promoted and no money is being taken from anyone.

there are no adverts or promotion anywhere the only reason it is being debated at the moment is because of you.

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 17:29

but you forget the previous clients who are not getting a refund for the full year advance payment.

antifraudteam


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 17:31

And it´s not true the service is not being promoted,because Charles(where is he now?) has been on this forum recently to promise a magic boost in signal..

kingkong


Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 17:43

where are these unhappy customers of ours????



produce them.



I think this discussion has now lost its original theme. and i have other things to do.



i do not make a habit of visiting this forum, as i do not live in Cyprus or at the moment have no vested interest in Cyprus i am unlikely to be playing on your merry go round anymore.



however should you or anybody else produce some evidence of this fraud/scam related to uktvdirect then of course i will be happy to return to shoot down these allegation.



so please mr. admin feel free to PM me or contact me at support@uktvdirect.com should you feel i can in anyway contribute to the discussion in a useful way.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 17:43

antifraudteam

' I´m surprised to see an Admin in defense of these scammers.'



I am not in defense of anyone. You made some serious accusations of which you were given adequate time to provide evidence and you have not done so.

It is easy to make accusations on these boards without providing any evidence. I have no concerns as to whether UKTVDIRECT survive or go down the pan but my concerns are with your libellous comments in message 1 and that you still have not been able to substantiate your claims.

Please confirm you have been in receipt of the e-mail that I sent to you yesterday.

AJ

antifraudteam


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Message Posted:
04/12/2009 18:03

AJ



What sort of evidence are you looking for?

A recorded phone call to them?A video?

Then obviously this is not possible to have.



If the client from Naples will agree we´ll post some of his mail correspondance to the company.

antifraudteam


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Message Posted:
04/12/2009 18:07

James so you don´t have interest in Cyprus,not in Spain etc.?

Just shut down your website then,what´s it there for?

kingkong


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Message Posted:
04/12/2009 18:13

re msg 69



sorry not gone yet, thought i must answer this one.



evidence ? mm let me think.



I know, possibly a invoice, a receipt, evidence of a bank transfer.



for a member of an anitfraud team you dont seem very bright.



PERHAPS IT YOUR FIRST DAY AT THE OFFICE.

antifraudteam


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Message Posted:
04/12/2009 18:24

Anyway AJ it seems italian Police are thinking these allegations have strong grounds,as they have opened a penal file for fraud against unknown (at the moment) people.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/12/2009 19:26

Dear 'James'



are you being selectively obtuse, when you answer questions..?



It 's just that the 'difficult ones' - the one's where you and 'Charles' must be working for a different company - judging by what you say and he said... well ..



You don't answer THOSE questions...





WE aren't daft on here.. we know there aren't 1000's of angry clients - as there weren't that many... 'Charles' WAS a 'fibber' ..



The ironic thing is that you - his 'spokesman' - kindly proved it.. THANKS..



Now, if folk HAD been able to pay by credit card, these accusations would be EASY to sort... Moral . if the company is asking for big up front payments on a new platform - RUN..



Will anyone remember BSB in the UK..[squarial] or UK TV Direct, twenty years later? ..

antifraudteam


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Message Posted:
04/12/2009 19:40

Mr mmmmmm,maybe they didn´t have thousands of clients.

But certainly a few hundreds spread over Europe yes.

antifraudteam


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Message Posted:
04/12/2009 21:40

Ok we contacted the client from naples and he will send us his mail correspondance with the company as soon as possible.

Then we will forward it on this forum.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
04/12/2009 21:44

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