residency refusal . unbelieveable

susiesusie


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 337

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 14:57

Just had a call off a friend who has just been refused a Yearly residency permit.(he,s 4th one)

He was apparently informed by 2 different immigration personnel at the office in lefkosa that unless you are working here , under new rules you cannot stay here if you are under the age of 60yrs for more than 3 months.

SURELY NOT????

they insist this is correct.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 15:04

How rediculous. If you are able to support yourself what is the problem? One for the BRS I think.

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 15:15

I cant believe it!! There are hundreds of over 60's here who dont work -and certainly dont want to keep leaving just to get a 90 day visa every three months! Talk about shooting oneself in the foot, people are just getting tired of all these petty things (if true) and will leave.

susiesusie


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 337

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 15:29

Yes... find this just too stupid to be true . off to the solicitors i think for him to check.

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 15:35

Sorry I meant UNDER 60's - fingers not keeping up with slower brain!!

robbie c


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 15:51

So even if you have enough money in the bank and you are under 60 you cannot stay here more than 90 days is that right?

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 15:55

What have they moved the goal posts again, whatever next

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 16:03

Bull, I got my 'annual' done on Tuesday (yesterday), so how quickly can an act of law pass into legislation two days after Byram when most Ministers are still recovering from their four day Raki bender hangovers?! (I'm under 60).



Richard

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 16:07

susiesusie, did your friend have enough money to support themselves for the year the visa would last? I know that's an obvious question but you didn't say. If so, how much? It would be useful to know how much we're expected to have if it's not the minimum wage.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 16:19

There are obviously other factors involved here. Perhaps the person involved does not own property here and maybe even does not rent.

Before people get too excited lets try and get the full details.

AJ

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 16:43

Well said AJ.

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 16:49

Another hidden agenda, the plot thickens!



Richard

booitsme


Joined: 04/02/2009
Posts: 667

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 16:54

Ho hum, another is it/ isn't it situation. I think I'll just wait my 15 days then go to Lefkosa to see for myself. A.J. has a very valid point as we are often not given full details and there's quite often an underlying story. As the saying goes...... Don't panic Mr Mainwearing!!!!!!

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 16:55

I think this whole residency thing is a big rip off. A once of even at a higher cost would be a better proposition. Roll on the EU.

pupaden


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 17:03

smithy i dont so much mind them moveing the gaol posts but in most cases they move the playing field

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 17:06

or even permanent residency after 6months for EU citizens as it is in the rest of the EU. Oh, I forgot, TCs have EU passports but we can't ever have the TRNC equivalent because...

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 17:14

Ian



' Roll on the EU.'



You do not even want to go there, a majority of the EU member states are technically broke as are a lot of other countries including the Middle East alliances. Turkey is probably one of the strongest economies in the world and does not need and will not need the EU and has been proven does not need the IMF. Along side China, Turkey is one of the major emerging economies in the world. Talk to me me in 2 -5 years time and tell me if I am wrong with my prediction.

AJ

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 17:16

What does annoy me is the amount of expatriates that cross the border (south side) every 3 months, owning property in TRNC but having never entered the system, get another 90 day stamp each time they re-enter whilst many others adhere to the archaic, unfair, financially draining system here!



Richard

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 17:35

Just make us all citizens that's the easy way

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 17:57

AJ,



If Turkey does not need the IMF then why are they still negotiating a $25 billion dollar loan?

And have been since the old agreement ran out last May.

susiesusie


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 337

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 18:02

He is single with children , has always rented and has plenty of money in the bank here. Obviously if it was for Permanent residency you could see why you need a large sum of money (childrens education) etc.

but this is just a renewal for a temp/ visitors stamp as they call it.

will see what happens next.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 18:04

somebody in immigration got a monk on should not worry too much

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 18:13

I've said it before & I'll say it again. Why are the Government so concerned if an individual runs out of money here? They wouldn't bail you out if you did would they? It would be your problem.

I came to live here at age 53. My husband & I never had a problem with residency applications, even though, back then, we had no pension income. We did have plenty of money in the bank, both in the UK. & later here.

I know many people below 60 who are in this position to this day, but they still get Temp. Residency. Now Permanent Residency is a different ball game. They do insist on a regular income. I'm not sure if it's still true but at one time you couldn't get Permanent residency here, even if you had rented for years & were also a Pensioner.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 19:18

Gooligan

Ref message 21

I think you need to reappraise yourself re the situation regarding the IMF and Turkey. Turkey does not want anything to to do with the IMF but unfortunately other forces feel as though Turkey (under certain conditions) should embrace the IMF. Do a little bit more research and tell me what you come up with.

AJ

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 19:41

What like this



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/02/turkey-debates-merits-of_n_307793.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123947046500711143.html





Yes Turkey may have lowered interest rates and inflation down to a 39 year low but Turkish Central Bank Governor Durmus Yilmaz said Turkey MAY not need the IMF loan.You have obviously taken that as Turkey DOES NOT need the IMF loan.A big difference.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 19:53

Turkey would be in a better situation if they had paid off the last tranche of the IMF loan which they refused to do due to their economic rational; well, their thinking anyway!



Richard

exnavalperson


Joined: 22/07/2009
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 20:20

Gooligan(msg 21)



Turkey is not in negotiations with the IMF at all. It is in the very enviable position of not owing them even a single kurus.



I think it was at the beginning of this year that Turkey refused an $80 billion loan from the IMF and since May the IMF have been trying to foist a "standby" loan on them. Turkey will not have that either.

By reading this post, you can now pass the results of your research onto AJ.



If you are interested in this subject, find out what the IMF want in exchange for these huge loans that they make to countries, besides the repayment of them and the interest. You may be very surprised by what you learn and it will explain why Turkey will have nothing to do with them. Turkey doesn't need to borrow money.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 20:55

exnavalperson,



Are you having a laugh?



The Turkish Economy Minister Ali Babacan is already making plans to spend it.



Read the last paragraph,the one that starts with "Babacan also said Turkey and the IMF were holding talks quietly."



http://www.seeurope.net/?q=node/18253

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 21:22

Msg 28

What a lot of tosh you come out with, Turkey hasn't fully repaid the last loan it had with the IMF, outstanding amount $8b and has no intention of doing so. $26b was on the table a year ago but the incumbent Islamic AK ruling party wanted the new money loan but wasn't prepared to restructure how, what and when it would be able to repay the debt and not willing to accept overseas expert advice on how to do so. This is tantamount to a neglect of national duty by the Government to keep the west side of Turkey wealthy (high population of voters) and deprive the middle and eastern regions poor, very poor. It's about time the Generals/Army took control again and reinstate the philosophical beliefs of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk!



Richard

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 08:08

I think we have gone of track a bit here .

It started with residency, & gone on to the IMF !!!!!

Warbabies


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 165

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 08:44

Are we correct in thinking that in the last 12 months, the wives of Turkish workers here, have had to apply for residency? Most of those are not even 30, let alone 60, and doubtless rely on the husband's wage, with no capital behind them. Will they also be turned down when next they apply for residency? What about a wife over 60, with a younger hubby? Will he also be refused. The mind boggles!!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 08:54

Dear malsancak



Under the EU Directive 2004/38/EC - clarifying freedom of movement of EU Citizens.. Simple version :



you must register within 3 months - if you intend to reside- based on work/ retired and self-supporting/ student / EU dependent family member / status. You should get a five year residency registration.



After five years - you can apply for PERMANENT residency.



This is how the RoC have implemented the Directive - it costs approx 10 Euros..



NO need for 'Permission to Purchase' and one can vote in EU Elections.



As long as one fits one of those categories, one can only be excluded on the grounds of Public Health or National Security.



AJ, you keep asking folk to check up their facts re the IMF.. Yet I believe you need too.. Especially, if you are right about a double dip recession - you are predicting - elsewhere !

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 09:36

Well said Mark,especially the last bit.



What gets me and I've said this before,is the Immigration minister (or whatever he is called) has quoted that foreigners must have enough funds to be able to live on so they do not become a burden on the state but he will not say how much you need to have and as foreigners we are not entitled to any state help anyway if we fall on hard times (think of the Petch's).

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 10:24

scruff re. msg 24,

I agree with your general drift...

As for why the Government would be concerned about 'Visitors' running out of money, I would think that it is because the presumption would be that they would then turn to the 'black' labour market to fund their existence, work illegally, not pay taxes, and deprive someone else of a job by undercutting legitimate businesses - or even turn to 'real' crime, burglary, drug dealing, etc (as opposed to illegal working - still a 'crime', I know).

Phew! - That was a long sentence

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 10:46

re msg 34



>>Well said Mark,especially the last bit. <<



pity about my spelling.. " Yet I believe you need [to],too" :( ...

cammy


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 11:04

If North Cyprus join the EU we can all pack our bags and go home, have you been through the south lately and seen the prices?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 11:18

Dear Cammy



this is simply due to the GBP v Euro - THE UK has chosen to stay out ...

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 11:32

I suspect the immigration officer was speculating they may be working illegally here. I noticed last time I did residency I got the Spanish Inquisition on this because I was of working age and nothing could convince them otherwise. For the record I have never worked or earned even 1 TL here.



I believe it also depends a lot on which person processes your application as some refuse on the most minor pretext while others approve almost anyone.





Aussie

Queen180


Joined: 13/04/2009
Posts: 399

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 13:41

Does anyone know if you have to leave if residency is refused or do they give you a time limit?

ebookuk


Joined: 13/11/2007
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 14:31

if residency application is refused, most probably they will be under fine. Same thing happened to my mum & dad, they had residency the year before already and just went again to renew the residencies - this was beginning of this year. They kept requesting this paperwork that paper work, go there come here lots of rubbish, all the information like their passport copies, identity card copies in the file already as they were stamped with that file the year before and when they went to renew they ask the same copies again but this time those papers had to be stamped and approved by Turkish consulate in Lefkosa - all this renewing process happened like within a year time - and still no news what so ever, anyway we lost our uncle back in June and my dad wanted to go to Turkey and of course we went to the ministry of foreign affairs to ask when his residency would be approved, they said someone from the ministry will come and visit their house first to see if their house was habitable,cont..

ebookuk


Joined: 13/11/2007
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 14:37

so it took another 2 months for an officer come to their house and check, they did it and approved it - then at the time now they got the reject because my business permit ended and they could get an approval after I renewed my business permit, so another month like that. In the meantime they visited the Ministry again to check if my dad could go to Turkey and they said `no` he will have to pay fine, because the residency not approved yet and he is staying here illegally. Anyway, the happy ending came only in September their residencies have been approved and passports stamped. It also depends on the person you are dealing with at the desk counter, it is just your luck I guess, speaking of experience.



Good luck...

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 14:42

msg 31

NCman, I'm glad someone got this thread back on course.

msg 35.

Keith ,I see your point about illegal working. I suppose it all depends, to a degree, about how old you are & the number of your dependants. Personally if I was in a position of being about to run out of funds, I'd get on the first plane back to the UK. Everyone here should have the sense to ensure that they have the plane fare out of here at the very least. It would obviously be helpful to have an indication of how much income you need to get Residency in the first place? However the income would depend on your circumstances, renting or owning property & your dependants. Whilst there are no guidelines & not just about funds either, then immigration dept. staff will continue to make up the rules as they go along.

ebookuk


Joined: 13/11/2007
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 15:01

They do not have any indications or any guidelines as to how much income is acceptable in order to obtain a residency but what they do check is, in our case - my dad's monthly pension salary documents from the bank, also a statement letter saying myself is their support to their rental property, approved by noter. Rental agreement on their name, stamped by the tax office, and if all adds up and is acceptable then you are eligible.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 15:05

scruff,

"... staff will continue to make up the rules as they go along. ..."

Won't they just, same as they do with everything else!

Joe Soap


Joined: 17/10/2008
Posts: 170

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:53

Extract from message 1

"He was apparently informed by 2 different immigration personnel at the office in lefkosa that unless you are working here , under new rules you cannot stay here if you are under the age of 60yrs for more than 3 months."



I am over 60, but the wife is not............ so I feel my second youth coming on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



By the way the wife has been under 60 for a jolly sight longer than 3 months

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 16:56

extract from message 46: -

"...so I feel my second youth coming on..."

What's HER name then?

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 17:17

so M6, in EU countries, an EU citizen has to wait 5 years for permanent residency but you can vote as a temporary resident after 3-6months.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 17:24

back to the original posting.



Message #1 Susiesusie, is there any update on this or clarification of why your friend was refused ??

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 23:22

The main issue here is rental.



Have friends that a similar situation occured. From what we can ascertain is if you are renting are under 60 and do not have a substantial sum in the bank then you will potentially be refused. This even if you have been here a number of years.



I know the argument about, if no funds the state will not provide but here there are so many illegal British people that in my view, they are trying to prevent any more joing that ever growing list.



What always pees me off is the people here who complain that they are badly treated etc but the same will complain about all the illegals in the UK. This is not the UK so if you come here to live you have to abide by the rules of this country. If you do not like it then move to some where you would feel better. The UK may take you!!!!!



As Scruff implies, the rules here are often interpreted by individuals but they are in charge and either you get used to that or again why stay here, you cannot change it.

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
03/12/2009 23:32

I agree David. Rental seems to be the key issue here, together with lack of income. If you've bought a house here (I hate Villa btw) you are likely to remain legal. If you rent & get chucked out, you haven't lost any capital. Is this the way they are thinking?

Hope you are well.

J

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 00:06

Hi J



I agree on the "villa" term. For us it is a home.



As for being well???????? Yes physically OK. Mentally, do not walk in front of me on the road otherwise you are dead!!!!!!!



You know that there are many problems here, each being different. Yours has been made public ours is not quite there but with Marian at HBPG within next couple of weeks we are targetting anybody that is anybody.



Have not seen Mike recently from your site.



Hoping to catch up with the Scottish reprobate AM shortly!!! Hey this is a small country, if you breath everyone knows about it!!



Best wishes

David

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 00:27

Mike is still around, but will be on holiday soon. Contact me soon if you want to know anything urgently. Re. the mental thing, as you know, been there & got the t-shirt. Re. breathing. I know what you mean. Walls have ears here.

susiesusie


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 337

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 08:48

thank you for asking "the saints". still awaiting progress and asked for an update. they have given him 90 days from the residency application to leave the country which gives him time but for me i would be on the case now.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 10:01

re 48 malsancak



>>so M6, in EU countries, an EU citizen has to wait 5 years for permanent residency but you can vote as a temporary resident after 3-6months. <<



The status, up to to the fifth year, is called 'Registered Resident' and YES- with this proof of registration - one can register to vote in EU elections.

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 19:10

are you really.

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 19:13

well said sensble answer.

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 19:30

It's strange, but most of the people I know, who rent and are under 60, work illegally. It's not any of my business what they do, but I can understand the problem.

everon


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 956

Message Posted:
04/12/2009 19:37

same as in the UK then