I do not believe this about KAR

mikki09


Joined: 17/10/2009
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
10/12/2009 20:45

I cannot beleive what people are saying about KAR. We have only been here for 6 months and we go there once a week to take the dogs for a walk and care for them and my daughter helps out there once a week every week, we have seen how many animals there are to take care of there are so many and there is not enough space there to keep taking animals in which is a shame but what else can be done. We have taken a dog from there ourselves to look after and tomorrow we are going to take another one to look after and we have quite a few strays that come to our house that we look after to, but as quick as you take them from there the next day there are more dumped on there doorstep. If people have a problem with where the money goes to maybe they should be speaking to KAR not keep complaining on here where there is nothing anyone can do but KAR itself.

mikki09


Joined: 17/10/2009
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
10/12/2009 21:08

I also cannot beleive that a moderator can say that people have lost the plot then close the thread.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
10/12/2009 21:14

RE msg 1 & 2, mikki09: (...) I also cannot beleive that a moderator can say that people have lost the plot then close the thread. (...)

=> I bet he can. And rightly so. What's wrong with some here? KAR, BRS and what have you: village talk, critical words, mistrust, insinuations, accusations etc etc. Why don't you concentrate on the bright sides of this wonderful part of the island of Cyprus? Do something positive.

mikki09


Joined: 17/10/2009
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
10/12/2009 21:23

There is nothing wrong with we what so ever, apart from people having bad things to say about KAR they do the best they can with what they have. If people have a problem with them they should be talking to the right people not moaning on the forum where there is nothing that anyone else can do about it.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
10/12/2009 21:34

RE msg 4, mikki09: I agree. If you want to change or influence the rules of a club you must join that club.

begonia


Joined: 19/05/2009
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
10/12/2009 23:15

It always seems to be the same unhappy people (person) writing thes things about KAR. Does she have a hidden agenda ?

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 00:25

Shame about the way our four legged friends are treated here but its no different to any other third world country, some good hearted people give up their time and money to do what they can for this situation others milk it for what ever they can get and thats the situation here. As much as I love animals my only way to cope is to turn a blind eye and let life and nature take its course, or the result is you will end up with a house full. KAR do the best they can, will never be able to cope and no doubt will have as many piss takers involved as genuine types, lf you dont want to assist in doing something, butt out and let them get on with it.



D.N

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 07:57

well said DN I am an animal lover and cannot stand on my visits to see how animals are treated I do my bit when over, they just dont treat them the same over there.



That said, there are some pretty bad cases of animal cruelty here in the UK I can tell you - so TRNC is not alone in the world - there is always some ready to stick the knife in what is trying to be achieved - Dutch message 5 couldnt agree more if you are not in it you wont win it !!!

Vidal


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 08:35

DN has summed it all up!



'Nuff said I think!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 08:40

Sadly it isnt that easy for some ppl DN, some of us have a conscience where our 4 legged friends are concerned, and this sorry situation could be easily remedied, compared with most 3rd countries this place is tiny and could easily be sorted, harsh methods are required and that means euthanasia, and please do not ANYONE tell me this is against vetinary policy or governmental policy.



I will enter no more debate into this as it seems to me that ranks close when KAR is brought up, I just wish the good people who genuinely do care could make a difference.

Vidal


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 08:54

'The Good people' ...for goodness sake...

Why is it that if your house isnt like Battersea flipping dogs home, its implied you have no conscience and dont care. People out here do not need to be insulted by assuming they dont care just because their priorities may be slightly different to yours. Thats utter rubbish and absolutely not the case.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 09:03

I may be mistaken but I think this subject has been discussed before - without any positive result for just one animal... Why don't we all do our best in our own way - without blaming and shaming each other all the time?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 09:03

Vidal I wish you would properly what I have said instead of stamping your feet.



Don't waste your energy replying as I am saying no more on this matter.

Vidal


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 09:12

Not a waste of energy Dee, just voicing my thoughts..same as you.



Have a nice day

bootneck



Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 242

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 09:15

Is this not the Second time youve said that dee!! Well said Dixie could not agree more.



Neil

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 09:19

We have decided to liven things up a little and are now taking bets on how much longer this thread will run !!



I will start by saying it wont make it past 20 messages )

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 09:22

Shall we share the proceeds Cooper.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 09:25

Great idea AJ, i could be retireing to Cyprus much sooner than i thought )

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 09:32

Put deeds in front of words, or shut up.

Tc's care just as much as you, but food and family come first; quiet rightly so too.



Troodo

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 09:46

I agree that KAR are doing the best they can with limited funds, if those said funds are being spent wisely.

What people are asking is, is that the case, are their donations being spent wisely.

People can only go to the well so many times before it runs dry, we have seen this in tv appeals there is one every time you turn on the tv and invariably it is always for a third world country that was what Bob Geldorf appealed for all those years ago. So to finish what should happen is to put strays down, to put them back on the streets is far more inhumane, they are scrounging for food , kicked from pillar to post so to put them down is better.

I am a dog owner and do and will support KAR in the future.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 10:26

Message 10



"this sorry situation could be easily remedied, compared with most 3rd countries this place is tiny and could easily be sorted"



Dee - Your words.......if it is so easy, then why don't you and your fellow euthenasia supporters crack on with it and get it all sorted out by Xmas ?? However, just because others do not agree with your solution, please do not accuse them of not having a conscience. They just choose to exhibit their conscience in a different way to yours.



Paul

adagirl


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 371

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 10:37

If people feel so strongly about the money that is donated and left in legacies etc remember you don't have to give money. You can donate straight to the dogs via food, blankets and toys, leads, collars etc etc. With regards the euthanasia question - a mass cull won't happen unless the situation gets out of control, which at the moment it isn't - not by Cyprus standards anyway. I would also add that I find it strange that a lot of people seem in favour of culling, but do not approve when it is suggested that stray dogsthat are badly injured are put to sleep. The 2000 lira collection for one not so long ago (had it happened) would have bought heaps of food and blankets for healthy strays?

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 10:47

STOP SLAGGING KAR OFF !!



Imagine walking into the sea....



Imagine trying to hold the waves back with your bare hands.....



Thats what it's like runing KAR....





Give them a break - they are doing a very very good job bearing in mind the circumstances......

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 10:55

Adagirl the dog you are referring to was not a stray. What would you have done if it had been your pet?

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 11:10

As I havent heard an actuall bad story about Kar or wrong doings "Only accusations"here is a real true story were Kar does work.

About 5 yrs ago my partner and I were walking along Catalkoy beach when we came across a Boxer pup with about 5mtrs of heavy chin link around its neck,it was curled up by the side of a car so we thought no more of it .However I couldnt get the little fellas face out of my mind so the next day we went back down to the beach and looked for her.She wasnt there.Three days later as was our practice then we went to Kar to do our usual twice a week walking of dogs and lo and behold who was in the side kennels on her own but the little boxer.As the story goes she had managed to get from the beach to the main road were she was hit by a car the person driving the car took her to Kar.She was so weak they couldnt operate on her ,finally when she was strong enough she went through the operations came out the other end and we had her. CONT,

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 11:23

CONT,

We have had a great 4 yrs with her.Unfortunatley my circumstances changed tis year and as a result we are spending far more time in the UK. So you ask were is the boxer now well she is quite happy in quaritine kennels in the UK.

If there hadnt been a Kar would she have been left on the side of the road ?

Who paid for her food and looking after before the OP?

Who paid for the OP

Who did all the bits and pieces for me to get her back to the UK

If you have horror stories or actual proof of malpractice by Kar why the hell dont you print them on here for us all to judge but as far as I am concerned may they continue to do the work they do.

begonia


Joined: 19/05/2009
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 11:52

I believe KAR collect cats and have them neutered thus saving a lot of the kitten problem. I read a lot of posts by people who have acquired pets , are now leaving and want others to take them on URGENTLY. Take them back to the UK or don't get them in the first place. Others who have puppies who need homes. Get your pets neutered/spayed.

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 13:21

I was a volunteer at the KARcharity shop for a number of years,I know from experience how hard it could be to cope with a lot of negative comments!!The staff at shop,Kennels,Office,give their all to make things better When we first moved to Cyprus in 2002 we where just off the main road by Alsancak not a lot of cars on the road or building work,but what vehicles there were managed to knock down dogs cats every few yards!!it was heartbreaking,We took in dogs who were injured,dogs who just appeared from nowhere until KAR helped and off to kennels.We found a good home for one,we had cats in abundance even one that stowed away in a hire car from Famagusta,hence he was named the same.We have seen dogs and cats poisoned on our garden and in our area!!!!I can name them all.If anyone is in doubt about how KAR works please go to the Kennels and see the whole thing,go to the AGM meetings,go to the office,the Shop.My time with KAR was very rewarding,very sad,hard work,but getting better everyday.

the2ofus


Joined: 13/02/2008
Posts: 637

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 13:55

I would like to know whether those that seem to have an ongoing problem with the way KAR is run, and repeatedly post their concerns and allegations (real or otherwise) on this forum, attended the KAR AGM in September this year and put their concerns and allegations (real or otherwise) to the KAR Committee ?

If not why not ?



It is lovely to see positive posts about KAR on here. I am sure there are many dogs/cats and people that they have helped over the years.

adagirl


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 371

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 15:08

Message 24:



Sorry, I thought the dog was left for re-homing with a local bar-owner? I should have said a dog without a permanent owner. I apologise. But the pricnciple still stands. Why donate money for just one dog when that amount could ease the lives of many? That amount would have build a few new permanent kennels at KAR.



If it had been my dog - I would have weighed up post operative quality of life - cost would not have been a huge factor.

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 15:11

I am so fed up of reading negative comments about KAR, and I think one lady on here posted her view that if there wasn't a KAR or BARK to help it would be unthinkable for the animals. She is just so right.



Why don't all the knockers get off their backsides and do something to help, instead of sitting in front of their PC making spurious accusations?



DONT MOAN - DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE, LIKE SUPPORT the good people who give up their time to help the animals.

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 15:15

Those volunteers who give up their valuable time to do this work, must read this utter crap, and wonder why they bother? That is so unfair to them.



So think before you post negative comments.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 15:24

Hi Adagirl, I understand what you are getting at but I would still ask you what you would have done if it was your pet, the post-operation prognosis was good but you were unable to raise 2000TL in 3 days. Please also bear in mind that Tolga and Gail at the bar had to deal with the immediate aftermath of a horrible accident at 1.30am and make decisions accordingly. I certainly cannot condemn them for doing everything they could to give the dog a chance (unlike her selfish owner).

adagirl


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 371

Message Posted:
11/12/2009 15:35

Point taken Joandjelly, no offence was meant. First reaction would be to try and the save the dog, I understand that.