**SAVE COPENHAGEN!** This is a serious matter

henrik



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Message Posted:
17/12/2009 11:56

SAVE COPENHAGEN! THIS IS OUR WORLD!! Sign the petition now! It takes only 1minute!

http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_copenhagen/98.php?CLICK_TF_TRACK

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 12:20

communists??? ha ha ha.. I thought capitalism is the real "evil" of mankind? and thus also the main factor of "global warming".. As I am into this subject more than just a few weeks, seeing some changes with my own eyes, and also have the needed backround infos, I can say we have a clima warming, no matter if its made by communists or capitalsist or by mother earth itself.

There are many so called experts who are against the global warming thesis and come up with evidence that shows that there is no global warming. I downloaded myself a package of 1,6gb of files.. But the argument towards the global warming are more evident and realistic and I still do believe my own senses when I compare past climate events with today.

Anyhow, sign it or not, there are many theories about "unelected communists" and the new world order.. See Alex Jones with: http://www.infowars.com

A good movie: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com - but rather more in clinch with capitalists.. So, who is to believe??

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 12:25

BTW: the post I answered to was deleted (Ex Message 2) .. ufortunatelly.. anyhow..

I am asking, what is wrong when we have a new "marxist world governement"? what is wrong in giving some of our wellfare to the poor? We are saving dogs every day so why not save some million humans? As we (the ordinary people) will not be donig this on our own, we probably need and exterior power to do this. The "marxist world governement"..

I dont think that this will happen but there are theories in the internet and people here on this forum are believing in them so I just thought I ask whats wong or right about them..

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 16:34

Henrik,



"what is wrong in giving some of our wellfare to the poor"



There is nothing wrong with this but the main thing history can teach us is when its done by marxists everyone eventually becomes equally poor, except the government officials and their friends.

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 17:02

In this crazy chaotic beautiful but destructive Universe it is hard to really know what is really going on. I admit I know next to nothing and am very likely off the mark about this weather stuff..but it's my gut feeling. For several years I went with it and almost became one of the disciples of this new religion. If I am wrong I will be the first to hold up my hands and admit it. I just hope the scientists and followers will do the same if they are proved to be off the mark and factually incorrect in the years to come. In the unlikely event of this happening I cannot see an apology or a retraction from them. Anyhow..for the believers things should be OK as most world governments appear to go with the Man Made Weather Change concept. However, if the thing is man made I feel the effort to alter things will be totally in vain anyway and pointless. Money is being made out of this by the usual suspects.

exnavalperson


Joined: 22/07/2009
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 18:18

Henrik



This is not serious matter at all. Any global warming caused by human activities will come from all the hot air from Copenhagen, where of course, nothing will be decided.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 19:24

Henrik: I'm sorry that a post (original #2?) was deleted - you were probably accused of being a 'Communist' by a wannabe 'Fascist? I follow your footsteps re environment, but I'm beginning to wonder if the world wouldn't be better off without the human race. Just a thought.

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 19:35

Well, it don't feel like global warming here, bring some on please!

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 22:14

"Rich countries must offer fair funding, and all countries must set ambitious targets on emissions."



Just signed and, voila, Clinton said US would contribute to a $100 billion fund to aid poor countries. She said any contribution depended on commitment to transparency of the developing nations. I think, it's fair enough.



Now guess what China, the #1 emitter of greenhouse gases, said about this precondition.

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 01:59

Hans, the world will be better without us! In computer language its called "reset". 2012??

The original post 2 was deleted, it had a link to another trnc forum, but cant remember which one it was.. It was a lot of texting, nothing new, I wasted nearly 1 hr to read, just to see no real evidence and marxist thesis??. Even in copenhagen, there is no real protest from the ANTI climate change activists. And also I see no marxist in COP. Obama?? Merkel, Sarkosy, Brown = Marxist ?? This is realy funny..

I think that we can share with the 3rd world without beeing "marxists" hardcore communists or whatever.. Just some financial rules, a few laws and thats it. Limits to sallary for ALL- incl politicians. Why should some earn 20 million a year when others hardly earn 20 000?? I dont say same sallary for all, but limits. For example: Every penny you earn after "3 million"? a year is wellfare/climate tax. Its easy but it needs heart and a LOBBY! There is more than enough for ALL of us!!

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 06:35

If the western world is in financial meltdown how are we to find this 100 billion a year to give to the third world the third world been having handouts for years for this same reason lining the pockets of the corrupt goverments.

Nigeria is the 10th largest oil producer in the world, yet it is going to benifit from an handout.

Freelance scientist have stated biased reports towards rising climate.

JUST FOUND THIS

If the wrong deal is signed up, then some of the most corrupt countries on earth could get their hands on billions of dollars without any checks and the forests could continue to be felled," said a spokeswoman for Global Witness............Says it all really

In the United States, an early opponent of the UN was the John Birch Society, which began a "get US out of the UN" campaign in 1959, charging that the UN's aim was to establish a "One World Government."

Is it not the UN running this smmit

I am scared for the future but not about the climate change.

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 08:02

Mankind IS causing very real harm to large and important parts of this planet and it’s ecosystem. That is with a world population of ‘only’ 6.5 billion.

Population rise to nine billion will undoubtedly place phenomenal strains on the ecosystem. IF we cannot find ways to expand the economy without damaging the environment further, then we are all in real trouble.

It is time we stopped the obsession with CO2 and looked at the real environmental vandalism. How can technology be utilised to allow us to live in harmony with the environment, through sustainability? IF it cannot then the world’s leaders will have to look at how global population can be humanely reduced.

The current plan appears to be to reduce economic activity and make fuel so expensive that hundreds of millions of people will die off from starvation and cold.

What the “rich nations” are proposing at Copenhagen is plans to protect as much of their own wealth as they can, whilst eradicating millions and millions.

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 13:32

Re message 11: "If the western world is in financial meltdown how are we to find this 100 billion a year to give to the third world the third world been having handouts for years for this same reason lining the pockets of the corrupt goverments."

Think about a resource based economy, not monetary.. There are enough resources for all, and no fighting for money, as there is none..

And if we stay in the monetary economy, than I also see no problems, its not our meltdown, it more or less some banks which are in financial difficulties. As the FED and EZB are far away from this, they have no problem in supplying fresh money- they already do. The watering effect is caused due to all investment banking stuff which is the biggest gamble of mankind and the easiest way of doing money (if you are in the right position) Its money making with airbubbles. It should be banned worldwide. A company should only be worth, what its worth! Not more not less.

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 14:26

The mind boggles:



Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar wedges

Copenhagen is preparing for the climate change summit that will produce as much carbon dioxide as a town the size of Middlesbrough.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6736517/Copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedges.html

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 16:15

without action no reaction! unfortunatelly you just dont sit there and write emails to china and all other countries or chat about climate sollution online with all other world leaders... maybe a good idea for the future, but assuming that most of them are no even familiar with internet and computers, this will be a dream for a few more years... dont forget that even our action here in the forum and in the internet produces a carbon footprint. A simple google search wastes 0,0003 kWh electricity and produces 0,2g of CO2 (google Data). Which is not nice but necessary in most cases...

Let them have their caviar (hope it is false caviar) and lets hope that they will get out there with a nice climate treaty. Then it was worthall the CO2 they produded. It would be sad if they come out with nothing...

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 23:24

newsflash.. there is a deal in copenhagen.. China and the US agree to a deal..



I wonder what it is..

lovinit


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Message Posted:
19/12/2009 07:51

Henrik,



pleasse give me a call



0542 8516020

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
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Message Posted:
19/12/2009 08:31

Just signed.

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
19/12/2009 08:46

Mankind is an irrational species really. The best and most simple way to save on carbon emissions we are told is to have less children or none. Most agree the world is over populated and resource will become a problem with more and more demand for better standards of living. Wealthier societies have less children. Having less children is relatively simple and we can do it. Trying to change the weather is impossible in my view but certainly incredibly difficult if populations aren't reduced. So what do we do? WE take the impossible route of complex industrial reductions and subsidies. This enables the bureaucrats to join another vast gravy train. It's a con. Another contradiction is growth in economies drives more carbon emissions under present technology. Growth produces better standards of living but drives up carbon emissions. It's a nice conundrum. Clearly the simple answer is to reduce population. I think this will happen anyway when good old Mother Nature gets tired of us.

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
19/12/2009 10:52

Type in climategate into google you will see that the problem is no where near as serious as they say it is. Whatever they have confirmed by their so called experts has been unconfirmed by other experts and scientists. The natural world has its own way of balancing like the the ice ages and so on.



The only thing we have to save is ourselves from these idiots. The whole thing is a money making scam to make money out of us from recylcing our rubbish to cfc free containers its not the whole truth out there. I wouldnt worry too much about the copenhagen summit. Nothing is going to change in the world it will balance itself naturally what we need to do look at how we live with each other. Whats the point of the summit if on the other hand we have the yanks bombing the f**k out of other countries.



Take a chill pill crack a beer open and have a merry xmas.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
19/12/2009 11:36

Good on ya, ataturk!



Increased sun-spot activity; i.e. the sun spurting out more hydrogen: therefore heating surrounding planets more. This is liable to increase or decrease - whatever.



All this 'carbon-trading' sounds like a complete 'con-job'.



Air-drop a few zillion condoms round Africa - that might help a bit!



Smoking in public is being banned everywhere - well, so should 'farting' be - that would help reduce global warming!



Mind you, with the festive season on us, I reckon there'll be plenty of 'letting-off' some real Xmas crackers!

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
19/12/2009 14:43

'Now guess what China, the #1 emitter of greenhouse gases, said about this precondition'



China is doing quite a lot ,they are building one of the first of many high rise fully energy independent buildings,and they are worried as they already are suffering huge costs due to climate change damage .



We have a problem in that China is developing and its people want what we have,As its our greed and wants that is responsible for the mess ,not theirs,its a bit awkward to tell them they cant have what we have because of climate change.



How can we expect China and India to restrict car ownership for example,when they see us not being content with just having a car, but need massive four wheel off roaders ,designed for crossing deserts and mountain ranges, for our wives to take the kids to school and to go to the supermarket in.Are our wives that bad drivers?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
20/12/2009 09:52

Girne29/Msg 22: 'Are our wives that bad drivers?'



Global warming may cause you to be 'skating on thin ice' for posing that question, dear sir!



I can't see TC's leading by example and swapping their Porsche Cayennes, Hummers and Mercs, etc., for rickshaws!

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
20/12/2009 12:13

Back to the main point - I think the world is due for a climatic change but it is being excerbated by man! There have been many changes in the past, some came slowly, some very quickly (even over a couple of years if you believe the ice cores from the Arctic) but they happened without man - we are just hastening the bad things by tree cutting, carbon emmissions etc. I agree with the poster (sorry forgot - was it Corbo) that cutting the birth rate would be a help - but even with China atttempting to cut theirs they still increase and increase - and India set to overtake them. God help the planet - I think its too late for us!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
20/12/2009 14:47

Cope-nhagen

Hope-nhagen

Nope-nhagen

Why did the "world leaders" need hours and hours to reach the final verdict above?!

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
20/12/2009 14:55

It showed me what the commitment of the United States in reducing CO2 emissions was when I saw Obama land at the airport. A Boeing 747 and at least 18 vehicles for just one man.



Makes my small car and 2 flights a year pale into insignificance.