British Airways WINS....................

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 18:52

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1236662/British-Airways-WINS-court-bid-stop-12-day-Christmas-strike.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 19:01

Good for BA, sack them and give the jobs to people that need a job because they obviously don't.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 19:11

"Good for BA, sack them and give the jobs to people that need a job because they obviously don't."



Yes but don't do it until after xmas, ok?..

dozza67


Joined: 11/07/2008
Posts: 607

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 20:15

Hurrah for common sense. Greedy greedy people. Some people just don't know when they are well off. Sack them all if they can get away with it.

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 20:23

great news

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 20:29

It is good news for their passengers. Trouble is who will want to book with BA for after xmas & 2010 knowing that another ballot will be held and a strike is definately on the cards? That wont help BA finances one jot.

Pogle


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 1536

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 20:41

I have no hesitation whatsoever in booking BA again whenever I have the opportunity.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 20:50

I prefer BA without a doubt but wouldn't risk booking with them at the moment, not until the strike threat has gone.

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 21:07

I hear from many seasoned travellers that BA is not a patch on Turkish Airlines (if you want service and quality).



I know I nearly enjoy flights with Turkish and I can't say that about most airlines I have flown with.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 21:47

All those people who want the BA cabin crew sacked really do annoy me.How many of you when you were working would want your terms and conditions changed when the firm felt like it.Dont blame it all on the recession either,they are talking about somethin g they have been trying to do for ages.Its ok when they are stinging the public on there ticket prices and still making £1billion profit as they did not long ago,but when things get a little tough hammer the workforce.You can bet your bottom dollar none of the senior management will loose out.Well I hope they do loose a lot of business and that staff do not give there very best to the airline it will be what they deserve.their case was based upon sympathy and nothing else,and they found a judge who was for them.The fact that BA would not disclose to the union how many people were taking redundancy shows me how under handed they have behaved.The number involved would not have changed the outcome of the ballot.BA new that they could cry .

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 21:55

cont..that the unions have not conducted the ballot correctly and would probably get a result in their favour.Some of the people who were balloted did not take redundancy till after the ballot was held so as far as the union was concerned they were valid papers.The job cannot be that good if over 1000 took redundancy.It remains to be seen what sort of cooperation they will get in the future,not a lot I hope.This judge totally ignored the fact that even without the few who were balloted incorrectly there was still a massive democratic vote in favour of the strike.It certainly raises questioins as to what sort of democracy we have in this country.

Middle Easter


Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 146

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 22:07

Coachie,



You are a true man ofthe people. However there are a few economic holes in your argument.



1) BA is involved in a global business that is increasingly under attack from lower cost internatonal countires, which will put increasing pressure on the ability to pay 'british wages'



2) If you hope for a downturn in BA business as a result of the action (your words) this will only serve to increase the job losses of BA staff



3) Despite this, BA are still the best BY A LONG WAY, I think whoever said Turkish were better must be on medication..!. It is not an easy issue, but a fair compromise would seem to be the right way fwd for bot parties.

Sideways



Joined: 21/01/2009
Posts: 529

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 22:20

Coachie,

It wasn't just the incorrect ballot, it was "the balance of convenience". Had they arranged the strike for a later time in the New Year they would probably got away with it.



Mrs Justice Cox ruled that the balance of convenience law 'firmly' lay with granting the injunction.

She said: 'A strike of this kind over the 12 days of Christmas is fundamentally more damaging to BA and the wider public than a strike taking place at almost any other time of the year.

'The balance of convenience lies firmly with granting the relief sought.'

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 23:15

Sideways..I wonder if she will be travellng with BA on her holidays???



Middle easter..I suppose we will have to work for thied world wages as well.When the Pottery makers in Stoke on trent moved their companies to Indonesiain the 90,s there was no pressure on them,just greed,get it made fo a third of the price,but these other companiies out there are catching on very quickly.They now want more money for the work they do and some of the companies are struggling.If people dont stand up for their rights for what they deserve, then they will all be working for third world wages.If they want to pay peanuts for wages then go to the zoo for thats where the monkeys are...

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 23:19

BA don't pay peanut wages tho' do they? Not compared with other airlines.



Coachie, I don't understand how you can appear to speak up in favour of the BA workers and, at the same time say you hope BA do lose a lot of business. Do you think the workers won't be the ones to suffer if they do?

notthereyet


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 23:55

So you reckon the Virgin cabin crews are monkies do you. Thank god the majority of rational people of this country dont think like you. The BA staff have proven to be selfish heart hearted grasping people who really dont give a rats about the people. Were you ever a B Leyland shop steward you have all the credentials.

notthereyet


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
17/12/2009 23:59

So you reckon the Virgin cabin crews are monkies do you. Thank god the majority of rational people of this country dont think like you. The BA staff have proven to be selfish heart hearted grasping people who really dont give a rats about the people. Were you ever a B Leyland shop steward you have all the credentials.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 01:35

Arthur Scargill would be proud of you Coachie. Just remember what a great job he did for the miners.

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 02:03

Coachie I will use my favourite saying regarding the half wits who support BA - you can't educate s**t !

They and their Thatcherite ideology are directly responsible for the demise of UK industry but they will always back overpaid bullying management as with the Royal Mail.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 02:24

Forget it Coachie.Your on a loser.So many just love to talk about sacking people.



like when multi millionaire George Osborne and others said about the financial crisis "we all have to tighten our belts".The 'we' didnt actually mean himself,and its the same here. 'We' will have to take pay cuts.'WE' will have to see conditions eroded. 'We' have to accept sacrifices

I can only presume that all the 'we's are either retired or are not paye because otherwise if they actually thought they would become one of the 'we's ,they would be squealing.

As a shareholder in RBS could you please tell them likewise to take a pay cut or be sacked.A quarter of total years profit(ours) wanted as bonus's or they, like the BA staff will withdraw their labour. Of course they are not one of 'we's.

As so many advocate BA staff lowering therir wages because others are paid less,I look forward to when you in the S.E have your pay reduced to ours in the North..

You dont mean 'we' you really mean' them.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 02:32

On the point about Scargill,just how many mines were closed because of him? As far as I am aware he actually underestimated the number of mines that were to be shut. Ian Macgregor was appointed to oversea the closure of mines 2 years before the strike. They were unprofitable ,granted, but thats a sick joke now ,with the prices we have to pay for european energy.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
18/12/2009 08:50

3 cheers for BA, how these selfish egotistical workers could have even thought of striking over the xmas period bringing misery to thousands was beyond me, I listened to radio 2, Jeremy Vine and there was a BA trolley dolly putting her case forward saying that BA could have postponed the reasons that brought about the strike so they had only themselves to blame, well sorry lady but you could have delayed your strike till after xmas.



There was also a chap who had come out of the army and was on Jobseekers and said they were lucky to have jobs and he would swap places with them any day of the week, he said at least you have a job, we are in a recession so thank you lucky stars and how right he was.





Selfish buggers I say, anyway it has been sorted and I for one am pleased with the outcome.



Well done BA.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
20/12/2009 14:40

DC4..Of course you are,if it means you can still carry on travelling without any inconvenience.

Hector ..he was a half wit as far as I am concerned

Not thereyet..No. Never worked for British Leylend,crikey you must be getting on when you talk about British Leyland..They had their own halfwit their in Derek Robinson.



There are Union Leaders and there are union leaders,the above two were of the worst possible kind.Scargill could not see past his blind hatred of Thatcher,Robinson thought "strike" was the only word in the English language.The problems at BA were dragged out by the Management knowing that they would get the sympathy vote as it got near to Christmas,That is why I hope BA suffe,for being so two faced.Theyagreed to all of these conditions with out any pressure from the unions,its called "free negotiations",so why should they have to give them up.The airline is still flying the same as the others,ok times are a bit hard,but they put all their eggs in the wrong basket.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
20/12/2009 14:54

Cont...by concentrating on the Business section of the travelling public.





At no time have I said that Virgin Airways cabin staff are Monkies.I said that their service was not all that good having travelled with them on a couple of occasions.My reference to the monkies was a general comment about people accepting third world working conditions.This is Great Britain not Indonesia or China.If companies were forced to pay a living wage then the government would not be paying so much in supplimenatry benefits.One of my friends has told me ,who works for Tesco(£9billion profit) that she has to work till 10pm on Xmas Eve.If any one does not work till that time they will loose there wages for the holiday week and face disciplinary action.I wonder if the senior managers will be working,probably flying business class on BA to some exotic climate.

DC4 ..Please no ref.to my pucntuation or spelling is required because I know I am not as good as you.

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
20/12/2009 14:56

msgs 2 & 4, it's thinking like that kept the working classes on their knees for so long. Maybe you two would like to go back to the days of yore with the Lords and serfs. Bet you never turned down a rise fought for by the unions. "I've always had a little wage and I've always managed" Pathetic. Why should the workers "manage" when the bosses are paying themselves fortunes. Anyone who will work for nowt will never be idle.



D