Poll showing that GC and TC youths won't integrate with each other

malsancak


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Message Posted:
18/12/2009 16:18

"The most disturbing fact was the attitude of youths, on both sides of the divide, towards there being a President from the "other side." 75% of GC youth and 83% of TC youth reported that they would find this negative to very negative..."

Read more at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2009/12/18/poll-showing-that-gc-and-tc-youths-wont-integrate-with-each-other/

andre 514


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Message Posted:
18/12/2009 16:53

very revealing malcolm



as marshal mcluhan once wrote:

"the world is a global villiage, but the villiagers don't necessarily like each other very much"



this points the way to the blindingly obvious, a disengagement process for the two cypruses

...something the islanders already seem to be achieving for themselves very effectively



the counter-argument is that an education process can bring two sides closer

rather like the presently-hypothetical "wormhole in space" idea,

and at least in the minds of certain members of cyprus 44 we are well on the way

to unearthing such a wormhole in the far reaches of the east mediterranean sea



or not as the case may be

malsancak


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Message Posted:
18/12/2009 17:10

personally, I think there is more chance of finding a wormhole in space than a solution to the Cyprus Problem.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
18/12/2009 20:07

there,s north and there,s the south ,and that,s where it stops.



when i ask my cousins in cyprus when do they think they will come together ,they laugh.





musin





long live the kktc

rowlo



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Message Posted:
18/12/2009 20:15

different cultures, different ways of life , it will always be this way , live and let live . long live KKTC.

come_on_aylin


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Message Posted:
19/12/2009 10:28

Andre "the counter-argument is that an education process can bring two sides closer"



Yes but it has to real education, and not potted history of Cyprus currently being taught.



A friend recently recounted the nightmare teaching in the south that coincided with Turkish Republic day in the North. The pupils were treated to a tirade of anti-Turkish sentiment.



This shameful abuse of position was all the worse for being in a private school as well.

sporty


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Message Posted:
19/12/2009 10:36

i hope the Orams legal team or somebody from ECHR sees this!!Even someone from the UN or EU perhaps should be knocking on the door of the GC newspaper to find out the validity of these claims,because if true which i suspect it probably is,it makes a complete mockery of any of the GC claims of whats going on in the north,perhaps the TCs friend Lord Maginnes would like a copy of it too!

sporty


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Message Posted:
19/12/2009 10:39

Sorry guys the above mesg. i put in the wrong thread!

andre 514


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Message Posted:
19/12/2009 21:56

message 6 eilrrn:



I was being a bit tongue in cheek



any education programme... well you have to take a step back

and consider who wants it, where the finance is from and what is the objective,

without foreigners or even guests telling cypriots what they should do (!)



there is always what they could do is an "interim" agreement that goes part way

and perhaps that is where the two sides could co-ordinate their teaching



"could" in this context would relate to trust, and the removal of sanctions

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
19/12/2009 22:02

I don't think there will ever be a solution that suits both sides-something has to give.

Biker



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Message Posted:
19/12/2009 23:34

Can anyone list any reasonable arguments why the two sides should integrate?



Suggestions welcome.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
20/12/2009 03:31

message 11 salih,



there are those who "believe" a reunified cyprus is desirable and attainable:

for which some sort of re-education would be essential to oil the wheels

...it would ultimately help the greek cypriots regain property formerly occupied

whatever the human cost to the population of north cyprus



at heart this is what it is really all about, such people would have us believe

they will be the "servants" of the tc's, to use christofias' phraseology



as a non-cypriot I cannot be sure I would want to employ such "servants"

who, way back in 1974 acted as the servants of the fascist junta in athens



as a general rule, whatever integration means

yes, I sound like prince charles talking about love on his engagement to lady di,

there would need to be a calmer atmosphere between the two sides,

with the end of the social and economic isolations the most basic requirement



in reply to message 6,

do such tirades denote real strength or are just weakness and whining?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
20/12/2009 08:36

I think the GCs and TCs should have a trial integration, choosing just one aspect of government, e.g. the supply of paper clips to all government offices in Cyprus. The supply depot could be run from a central depot by TCs and GCs in a committee formed in the same way as the United Republic of Cyprus Government would operate. I wonder what would be the outcome?

exnavalperson


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Message Posted:
20/12/2009 19:28

Msg 13.



Dead easy to predict the outcome. The GC's would insist on having 2/3rds of the paperclips.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
21/12/2009 12:56

yes, by all means begin an all-cyprus integration/education project

if that is what the people want...there are already a few small scale joint projects



of course if anyone is serious about the two communities ever getting together

this should have become the norm rather than the exception



what has always struck me as very odd or even sinister

are the few but strident voices arguing that a re-unification scheme

should it actually appear that is, can be pulled out of the hat "just like that"

if I may be permitted to quote from the late great entertainer tommy cooper

andre 514


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Message Posted:
21/12/2009 17:39

messages 13 and 14:



I don't think the gc's would be so crass as to demand 2/3 of the paperclips



instead they would observe that the paperclips are the property of all cypriots,

but due to international agreements over which they have absolutely no influence

they would need to control the storage and distribution of all paperclips,

while acting as servants and benefactors of office supplies to the entire population



they would also point out that turkey has witheld release of staples for the stapleguns

despite many promises to the contrary and the urgency of the situation



britain meanwhile continues to monopolise all indiarubbers on the island,

which means the erasure of sad and racist rantings will be permanantly delayed



as a result the gc's find themselves unable to refuse locking and bolting the office,

chucking all their toys out of the pram even the new ones made in the eu,

and trusting that the current credit crisis bankrupts the tc's even before themselves

malsancak


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Message Posted:
21/12/2009 18:20

excellent andre_514, well worth waiting for. With the President of the paper clip company being a GC and the vice-president a TC, it would be decided that the original plans of how to run the company should be scrapped as they were disadvantageous to GCs. The new system, based on a majority vote, meant that whatever the GCs put forward was voted in 3:1 and all TC proposals were rejected due to the low vote they received. The President rejected suggestions that this was in anyway related to the fact that there was 3 GC voters for every TC voter. TCs withdrew their labour and as there were no employees left who did manual work, the company collapsed.