Update on court today

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 00:04

Geoff & I would like to thank those who took time to turn up & support us today, we have been to court so many times over this matter & to have the support was a wonderful & to know that we are supported is very much appreciated & yes 100% it does help not only in the court but also in mind, once again thank you.

Many thanks

Geoff & Mary

Please read following post for update.

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 00:06

We should have been in court at 9:30 but was told later that we would have to come back at 2pm (nothing unusual) builder not present & has never attended court to date. On our return our advocate went into chambers with the judge she then informed us that the judge feels that we should try to come to some settlement with the builder on the civil action & that he may then drop the charges against Geoff.

We will do as instructed to show good faith ect. as we feel that we are in a no win situation. If no settlement is reached then we are back in court on 20th Jan 2010.

The good from today was that the Turkish press attended court for another matter & have now been introduced to us & are going to report our story & hopefully others.

Mary & Geoff

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 00:10

Please be to god that this is the end of your nightmare. I hope you have a peaceful xmas now xxxxxxxx

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 01:04

Geoff & Mary



Have only been following this very recently. I sincerely hope you can enjoy your Christmas and New Year, although it must, at times, feel that the 'Sword of Damocles" is hanging over you.



I wish you a peaceful and happy Christmas and hope for good news in 2010.



All the very best to you.



Jean and Paul

alanka


Joined: 15/09/2007
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 02:46

Wish we could support you, but not out there at the moment, can only send our best wishes which I appreciate is not much help, but maybe sending positive thoughts to you can do something good.



My OH has invested far too much over there, against my wishes, as far as I am concerned, he might as well have gambled the money away.



Let's hope they find oil off the coast, then let's see how things go!!



Seriously, I hope if there is a God, things will fall in your favour, it is a horriblle situation to be in and I think you are both very brave and honourable - something they need to learn about over there

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 11:08

It sounds as though the judge has simply (and so predictably) given this rogue builder the 'upper hand', so that he has all the bargaining power. This is absolutely typical - 'Make a settlement!' - exactly what happened to us when we were entirely in the right, as you nice people are. I met you once - we sat together and chatted at a table in the courtyard at the back of the court.



In any civilised society, this bastard wouldn't be able to get away with all his lies and should, long ago, have been condemned by the court for presenting false evidence and subsequently sued by you for the utmost distress and financial loss he has so evilly caused you. It hardly needs to be said that he is obviously devoid of any conscience whatsoever.



We, despite our losses, have eventually got over our 'do', thank God, and put the whole iniquitous affair behind us.



I trust you will have a speedy conclusion to this ongoing nightmare.



Please try and have a Happy Christmas - bless you both!

Secrectcove


Joined: 06/12/2009
Posts: 59

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 11:12

it is common practice here when one is accused to accuse the accuser.

scootex



Joined: 03/03/2009
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 11:18

I sympathise with you both my builder still has not finished our villa although we moved in but I am now worried if I throw all his junk away like water tanks arch frmes etc will he accuse me of theft when I start having a go at him about completing the project

anyway chin up and try to have a nice christmas new year

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 11:21

I am somewhat disturbed about msg. 2 above. It implies that there is a possibility of the charge against Geoff sticking if it goes to trial, hence the efforts of the judge and his advocate to avoid this if possible. What Geoff took without the permission of its lawful owner may have very little value and he might have considered it abandoned but technically he may be found guilty. He may get a very small nominal fine but it becomes a matter of having a conviction record and that can give Geoff a very big headache. Hence the attempt to reach an amicable settlement and have the complaint withdrawn.



Obviously I am not privy to all the facts but I can see where all this is leading to. In my view its best not to take any chances that cannot be afforded. Ultimately its the judge and not the papers or the crowds outside the court that will decide on the final outcome based on full evidence.



ismet

Secrectcove


Joined: 06/12/2009
Posts: 59

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 11:24

I was atttacked by a knife wielding t/ c when I insisted on him being charged he made an accusation against me the poice with out any evidence made me attend court !!



I was told if I withdrew the charge against the t/c then the charge against me would be dropped !!



Justice in trnc for foreigners DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 11:56

Mary & Geoff have a peaceful Xmas.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 12:07

Mary and Geoff, take heart on all of the above who wish you well.



A New Year, a new hope to you both.



Enjoy each others company, have a peaceful Xmas and a fruitful New Year, God Bless you both on your horrible troubles. xx

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 14:32

elko2/Msg 9: 'Obviously I am not privy to all the facts but I can see where all this is leading to. In my view its best not to take any chances that cannot be afforded.'



You may not be privy to all the facts - but you, as a highly knowledgeable man of the TRNC 'way', and if one 'reads between the lines', seem to be advising Geoff & Mary to pay this heinous 'builder' in full, so he'll withdraw his complaint of theft.



In other words, you seem to be insinuating, like the judge, that unless they do, they will inevitably end up with a criminal record, which if taken a step further could 'give Geoff a very big headache' - by which, presumably you mean 'deportation', or the risk of?



Please answer this honestly, Ismet - for the sake of these thoroughly decent, but so unfairly mistreated and maligned, innocent people.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 14:40

Tenakotou (msg. 13),

I hate to give in to threats but at times we have to be realistic and act sensibly. Give me all the facts as you know them and I will give you my honest opinion. However will it be fair to Geoff and Mary to discuss the full facts on an open forum? I rather not think so. If you send me the full facts privately, I will answer you likewise. If you have the consent of Geoff and Mary and put the full facts here i.e. what the arguments and the evidence against them are, then I will give you my honest answer accordingly *based on the facts given*.

Is that fair enough? You must not blame the messeenger for bringing bad news.

ismet

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 15:12

Of course I don't know 'the facts', but I do know what racial discrimination is; and these innocent people don't deserve to have been treated the way they have been and still are - 'taking a sledgehammer to crack a peanut' coins it very well.



Nobody, including myself, is 'blaming the messenger, Ismet - but I think we all know what injustice and victimisation are when they're so blatantly staring everyone in the face over this utterly distasteful and uncivilised farce.



One doesn't have to be a Philadelphia lawyer to work out the rights and wrongs of it all!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 16:21

Tenakoutou (msg. 15),

I see injustices on a daily basis but I have seen no evidence of racial discrimination. However I have seen very bad discrimination against the poor, helpless and usually uneducated people. You must be able to see the picture from a wider angle before you can reach that conclusion safely. I am not convinced about racial discrimination but you must not expect a positive discrimination either.

ismet

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 16:31

Tenak, More "rabble rousing" than wise contributions? Too much angst here generally, maybe from unwise actions, or if you prefer, the actions of the unwise? So let me post from the opposite end of the spectrum.

I see nothing wrong with events in postings 1 & 2, inconvenient yes, detrimental no. The judge has suggested a way forward, and thinks of a "negotiated settlement" before a costly court battle.

Having been in a similar position, I did not get 1000% of the settlement and damages I wanted, but my solution was ratified by the judge, and a court order made out in our favour allowing me to "win the case", getting satisfaction and opening the way for further action should circumstances require it.

This is not "nice old England", and if you think that litigation in UK easy, forget it son, I have been there too.

Tonye

Quote,"It ain't about guilt and innocence, t's about how you present the evidence".

G & M good luck is not needed,a good strategy and experienced lawyer will suff

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 16:31

I wouldn't expect any sort of privileged treatment, Ismet.



You can defend 'the system' all you like, but it doesn't make it right!



Let's, please not get into the 'racial discrimination' debacle on this forum - I could say too much!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 16:37

Tenakotou (msg. 18),

Who said that I am defending the system? I criticize it all the time but that should not stop me making evaluations as things stand.

ismet

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 16:52

Ismet - it would be interesting to see how you would grade the TRNC on the 'Grade TRNC' posting! If you have a moment fill in the 11 questions, please

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2009 17:45

msg. 20,

Its funny I never bothered to look at that thread so far. I will look at it at the first opportunity.

ismet

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
25/12/2009 00:02

Geoff & I would like to thank everyone for the good wishes they have sent & we wish all a very merry christmas & a happy new year.

As we have been to court when possible to support others in the past we know how it helps & is very much appreciated.

Mary & Geoff

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
25/12/2009 00:03

And the very best of wishes to you and Geoff Mary. Let's hope that January brings you the success you deserve.

Phil

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
25/12/2009 00:06

I also wish the best for you. I hope 2010 brings you the happiness you deserve. Try to have a very happy xmas xxxxxx