Akmel. Should he have been executed ?

loulouis


Joined: 13/12/2009
Posts: 234

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 13:41

Akmel Shaikh. should this man have been executed or should he have recieved clemency due to his mental illness.?

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 13:43

Yes, he broke the law and paid the price

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 13:49

Funny how these people are only mentally ill when caught doing a crime?.....or is it me with no compassion?...or me thinking of the users of the 4kg of drugs he had on him?

loulouis


Joined: 13/12/2009
Posts: 234

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 13:54

Hi Loving Cyprus He broke the law and paid the price ! Have you not got a little bit of compassion . The price he paid was final. Gordon Brown and his cabinet have all condemmed the actions of the Chinese and all human right activists throughout the world have also.

Loui

loulouis


Joined: 13/12/2009
Posts: 234

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 13:57

Hi Stewart



Funny how these people are only mentally ill when caught doing a crime. But did he deserve to lose his life mentally ill or not.

Loui

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 13:59

There was no medical report from UK to say that he had mental problems. It was after he was caught and convicted that the issue of his mental health was raised. He broke the law and the punishment for that was his life. He will not do that again

Cobbler


Joined: 15/11/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:00

Someone who knew him well in Poland said on the radio this morning he was definately a manic depressive and deluded. Apparently the people who he carried the drugs for had promised to launch his "Pop career" and he believed them in spite of the fact that he was a lousy singer.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:00

If this was adopted in theU.K.then perhaps there would not be such a drug problem.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:02

What was a mentally ill person doing on his own in China? I suspect he may have been mentally "not quite all there" to think it was worth the risk.

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:17

If the Chinese had given clemency to this man, it would have opened up huge unrest in that country. As China executes an awful lot of its own people for commiting lot lesser offences!

The fact that he had or was suffering from a mental illness would not really cut any ice with the Chinese authorities. Remember the student riots, these people still say nobody was killed in the Tenement Square! So when any one commits a crime this major, do you really expect them to even listen to any human rights, or Brown who they despise!



Its their law unfortunatly, and no way will they be seen as being weak..... unfortunate for us who do have compassion...

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:23

Having lived/worked in China I can say the chinese are hugely sentimental, equally hugely sadistic and have great respect for the police/law. You are right - they had about 90 things you can be executed for and "human" rights are not really given much thought, there are too many of them to want every Wu, Chen and Wang creating about "their" rights and setting others off. It will be slow but its another culture, give them time! They ruled by terror for too many years to easily change and cannot be seen to be weak with "foreigners" when they do it to their own.

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:24

It's only unfortunate for them that get executed!

brend


Joined: 20/01/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:25

Look around you and see the deaths these people cause by supplying hard drugs!!! Not counting the untold misery of the the people who get robbed and assaulted by the addicts needing their fix. Once again it is the do gooders who know best and want to save the life of someone who doesn't give two hoots about anyone elses. Once you have been held at gunpoint by someone who needs YOUR hard earned cash more than you do you might just change your mind!

Brend

TimothyCadman


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:26

I'm with the Chinese on this one. That is their rule of law. Ignorance of any countries laws is not a defence.

If this man is mentally unstable, as claimed, why was he allowed to travel to China unaccommpanied?

Where were his family in all this? They certainly weren't taking care of him.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:38

Bend you are right on your post, drugs are one of the worst things and the death penalty perhaps is a right way to try and control. Look at Thialand, they too have a strict law, death,if caught, and life in jail if not sure!



I to wondered why his family didnt do something in the two years that he has been held, was it a last minute thought? I dont know....

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:57

Dear Loulouis..you ask for opinion and when it does not match yours..you critise it...why ask?



I am not sure about the ref to Gordon Brown and his cabinet.....what about the crimes of Tony Blair and the same cabinet....are you saying that going to war was not a crime?.....how many have been killed in this conflict?



Don't preach !....is my opinion

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 15:53

Loulouis



You say have I not got a little bit of compassion, for that guy NO in the same way that he had no compassion for the people who might have become addicted to (and possibly died) from the drugs he was attempting to smuggle into China.

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 16:00

I am sure the chinese done a lot of ground work before they made such a harsh decision. To be honest this was the first I had heard about this chap, as usually it is in the news long before the event happens.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 16:10

All been said - where were the family and British gov. in last 2 years?



They claim he is bi-polar, from personal experience this is nonesense.



How did he even get into China??



Not a believer in the death penalty but this is the law of China. Cannot take the penalty, do not do the crime.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 16:13

Yes, good riddance to bad rubbish. Why our namby pamby leaders complain is beyond me, if he'd been released he'd have made a fortune from our gutter press.



Tony

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 16:15

At least the Chinese government are willing to protect their citizens by upholding law and order, unlike the populist government in the UK that have totally lost control, and pander to every bleeding heart liberal.



Good on you China, I wish we had your laws in the UK

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 16:34

hear hear. in the uk he would have been given a nice comfortable room at our cost.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 17:03

Folks should heed the rules of that country that they visit, or go to live in. If they dont, then they have to face the consequences......

smithy


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Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 17:26

I think he is better of being executed than spending 20 years in a jail in China

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 17:30

I agree with all posts that say he deserved to die,any one caught trying to smuggle drugs should be publicly executed for all the would be drug barons and pedlars to see. There is too many people willing to defend the scum that supply drugs, but the kids who get hooked on drugs are labled as layabouts. So yes good on the Chinese top them

TheScarlets



Joined: 14/04/2009
Posts: 877

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 17:31

Absolutely, we should do the same in the UK

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 18:03

Msg 21. "Good on you China, I wish we had your laws in the UK"



Tell that to the East Turkistan Turks and the people of Tibet and many more in China!

loulouis


Joined: 13/12/2009
Posts: 234

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 18:53

Dear Stewart message 16 , When have i criticised any ones opinion or views on this matter, I just asked a question and how people felt about this decision of the Chinese authoritys in carying out an execution on a British Citizen . I have not even stated what my views are and wether I agree or not on executions .P.S what the hell as Tony blair got to do with this discussion . and also I am not preaching to anyone.

Loui

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 19:29

if you have seen the effects of heroin addiction on a human then, if guilty of supply, or attempted supply, should accept the countries punishment ! if their punishment is execution so be it ! Harsh but reality ! if he'd got away with it would we all be sitting on the shore admiring his £5 million yaucht in the bay of some millionaires paradise !! Oops got caught plead mental health !!!

martinev


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 320

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 21:04

More evidence, if any were in fact needed, that UK politicians are against the death penalty whilst the majority of their electorate are in favour !!



I too would be in favour joining with what I think is the majority.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 21:29

the chinese government has carried out it,s laws ,even if he did have bipolar disorder,so what

why has no one asked why he has this condition,could it be he himself is a heroin addict ,which

can lead too bipolar.



the british government should thank the chinese ,heroin addicts cause devastation not only to

themselves ,but everyone and everything around them .



so the less that comes into britain the better ,i say thank you .....china.



musin



long live the kktc

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 21:51

There was no way the Chinese were going to reprieve him,that would have meant a loss of face in their language,backing down to outside pressure.He paid the ultimate price for the ultimate crime,it happens in Thailand as well.A Brit was hung their a few years ago for drug smuggling. I sometimes think we ought to pass similar sentences in this country,but as has been said,we are too compassionate..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 23:41

Coachie, you read my post!!! or do we actually agree on something!! lol



We (GB) are too compassionate, to our own destruction. I just cannot see our country ever getting to grips with these types of issues now, as the 'human rights' have become distorted towards evil.....

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 00:09

If your life is put on the line....think first before you do the crime.



It will all blow over in a couple of weeks and as we type some other person is being caught smuggling drugs.



wonder how many on this forum use this evil stuff.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 00:16

The chinese were following their laws any traveller who does not obey them must face the consequences. If this guy was mentally ill he should have been protected by his friends and family. If we imposed harsher penalties in the UK and had more discipline in schools with caning and more parents educating their children correctly we would have less crime in the UK.

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 02:09

Nice to hear such enlightened posts!

Bring back hanging and the ducking stool I say !!

Makes one proud to be British!!!

butterfly



Joined: 26/01/2007
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 02:34

agree with rocky..china well known for zero tolerence...why bring the bi-polar case to the press with 48 hours to go, if truly mentally ill, why travelling alone in the first place

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 05:59

Ah the Hippo spots the fascist Roachie donning his black shirt again- I suppose you would volunteer to be the modern day Pierpoint.



Execution is murder however you view it. I suppose you would still burn witches

hds.trnc


Joined: 26/05/2009
Posts: 175

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 05:59

Having seen the devastation such drugs can do to families, communites whole estates i dont have any sympathy with drug dealers..sadly he is at the bottom of the chain and has suffered the penalty..bi polar well im not qualified to say what impact that can have...the death penalty...in simple terms thats the law in china...no one wins here....this incident wont stop or even stall the trade..just a minor prick on an elephants hide...death penalty...justified....when so many other crimes are seemingly ignored its a difficult issue to address on its own...

jinyx


Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 07:40

Isn't it strange, when they are facing the death sentence, they claim to be british, and any other time, they are Bengali or Pakistani?. Looking at some of the comments on here, it confirms my opinion that the british care more about dogs than humans., especially the british in trnc , doggy bloody mad!

yorkie58


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 08:21

What was he like as a man ?

Shaikh, a Muslim, migrated with his parents during his childhood. He married a Hindu who converted to Islam. They had two sons and a daughter together. His marriage ended in divorce. They lived in the United States in the 1980s, where Shaikh was an estate agent. They moved back to the United Kingdom when the business failed. He then started a mini cab business in London but fell into bankruptcy. He sexually harrassed his 24 year old employee, then sacked her. She took him to a tribunal, won her case and over £10,000. He employed her after arranging for an employment agency to send him CVs only of women under 25. He refused to pay the damages.



He subsequently moved to Poland,[7] where he married in Lublin; he had a son and daughter from that marriage. He then divorced and was wanted in 2007 by a Polish court for not paying alimonies. In 2006 he was sentenced by Polish court for driving under influence of alcohol with suspended one year jail sentence and p

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 08:24

'Execution is murder however you view it.'



I agree Hippo. Whilst in general I think hard punishment is correct and in the UK the legal system may be geared more towards helping the culprit than the victims, capital punishment is cold calculated murder by the state. Far worse than 99% of murders committed by individuals which are usually in the heat of the moment and not planned. State murder is slow and thought out and extreme torture as the process is almost worse than the act, which is quick now. The whole legal and moral weight of the state is deciding rationally in cold blood to kill someone. Extreme anger, fear and an eye for an eye are the driving forces for state murder. Do any of us really know the details of the mans state of mind who was put to death?

yorkie58


Joined: 16/09/2008
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Message Posted:
30/12/2009 08:24

continued

prohibition of driving for three years. On average every 6 months he was visiting the Lublin City Council with new business proposals. These included opening an air-taxi between Lublin and Warszawa (Warsaw), exporting lambs meat from Lublin to the UK, and building a mosque in Lublin (in 2005, this was his last business proposal to the City Council). When the city councillor Dariusz Jezior was not enthusiastic about his idea of building a mosque, he started to send text messages to the councillor and several other people with threats. He also sent threats to institutions and people who did not want to support his ideas financially. He sent an e-mail to a bank in Poland where he had an account, claiming that he had something to do with the London terrorist attacks. All this prompted search of his home by ABW, but no charges were levelled against him. The prosecutor only made a case owing to his threats against his Polish wife, but she did not want to punish the father of her

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 11:30

Crikey yorkie58, he did have a very colourful life, no wonder the Chinese had no time for his plea's!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 12:39

It sounds as though this pr!ck should have been strangled at birth - that would have saved a lot of people untold distress.



Well done, the Chinese - you've done everyone a big favour!

brend


Joined: 20/01/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 13:46

Do people really think that if your mum, dad, wife, husband, brother, sister or any of your kids or any other relative or friend has been murdered by someone who has been " shown compassion" for previous violent offences that you are going to feel better knowing that you are "showing compassion" DON'T THINK SO! If he'd been given his just rewards he couldn't have killed your relative or friend. Drug pushers are murderers and they think about the money they are making and not about the lives they are taking!

Brend

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 15:01

You have to abide by the laws of the country you are living/visiting.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 15:33

No1Doyen, exactly..... HAPPY NEW YEAR, me dear......

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 16:10

Hippo..I assume the comment was aimed at me in your mesg.Where in my posting did I say anything Racist??Would suggest a trip to Specsavers!!!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 16:19

Hey coachie, did you copy my thoughts in post15 in one of your posts? have you secretly turned tory without telling me???.... as we dont usually agree on things, but seem to have found a little 'common ground' on this issue!! xx

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 16:29

Why do some people think that execution is murder?? You have to laws and legal systems to prevent anarchy.Ayone who breaks the law of the land has to accept the punishment that befits that crime.A murderer has taken some ones life,so why should he not forfeit his.He did not give his victim any consideration for ending his life,but in our society we allow him the consideration of a trial by jury.It is the juries verdict that he is guilty/not guilty and the judge then decrees what sentence he should have.Overall I would say that they get a fair crack of the whip.

To me once the death penalty was removed here in England the Deterrent factor went with it.I know all about the fact that an innocent person has been executed in the past,but with the new modern sciences of today,wrong forensic evidence is most unlikely.



Its rather unfortuneate that the Chinese do not see things the way we do but that is there perogative,it is their country and they make the laws...

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 16:50

Dizzy..Go wash your mouth out,me turn Tory,how dare you...My answers are purely my own,no political motivation whatsoever..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 16:57

Execution is not murder, execution is to carry out capital punishment, ......murder is intentional UNLAWFUL killing of another person.... as Coachie has said it is, and always was used as a deterrent, and China will always have a capital punishment system in place, like many other countries who hold values and standards. Not as our GB has become, a haven for the wrong do'ers......

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 17:00

We sat watching the news last night and were furious when we heard that the Foreign Office has called in the Chinese Ambassador for the second time to complain. This man broke laws in another country - theyve spent 2 years trying to free him, its stupidity calling in the Ambassador to complain (again) once the man was executed for his CRIME. What is Britain coming to? Nearly every country has hard drug laws maybe ours should be harder too!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 17:12

Yep, we just need an enemy like China dont we, Ambassador warning us to mind our own business!



Talk about idiots, look at what happened at the last climate meeting, Obama putting his big foot in it and China just closed the book.........

China is a power not to be tampered with foolishly.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 17:15

He paid the price for his crime, the amount of drugs he was caught with would have ruined the lives of tens of thousands of people.

If he was mentaly ill as his family states then why were they not looking after him and preventing this from happening?

No I have no compassion at all, anyone involved in the drugs trade deserves to pay the ultimate price as far as I am concerned.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 17:19

Yep exactly......

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 17:20

It's worse than murder when it's done in the name of the law as it's done in a cold and intelligent planned manner, with the moral and legal weight of the state behind it. Also in this case the guy didn't murder any one anyway. However, capital punishment is one of those topics where it is pointless arguing as people rarely change their views on it. I will admit though, that the majority of the British electorate would vote for it and we are not allowed to. We would also vote to get out of the EU and various other matters. Would be most interesting to see of we really had a better society if we were truly democratic. What is a better society would never be agreed on anyway.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 17:47

How can it be worse than murder? It has been a law which has been passed and agreed on by the country or who ever is in power, but murder has never been agreed by the person murdered or passed into a law?



Dont think its pointless to arguing over a topic as you only get to know others opinions by doing so....

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 18:19

There are plenty of people with "manic depression",who you would never suspect as being "mentally ill" at all. Their illness tends to affect them intermittently and sporadically. The Brown Cabinet castigating the Chinese for application of a draconian punishment(albeit a fair one) illuminates what a set of idiots we have running the country! People smuggling large amounts of drugs,are mentally ill because they are trying to undermine the youthful fabric of society for their own greed. I totally agree that his punishment was appropriate and justified.....if it were your son or daughter that ended up in the hell of drug addiction because of selfish morons like him,I suspect you would not be as lenient as some of our cretinous left wing do-gooders.

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 18:21

Msg 51. "once the death penalty was removed here in England the Deterrent factor went with it"

Using that logic, there would have been no murders before the death penalty was removed. The death penalty has never been a deterrent and never will be, otherwise there would be no murders etc. in countries that still have it.

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 18:50

People will get drugs if they want them. The idea that killing someone who moves a few kilos across borders will somehow change this is extremely naive. People need to look at themselves why their children need to take drugs rather than ranting after blood lust and supporting out modded neo fascist regimes that pass draconian laws. So I suppose Saudi Law is also right as it has been passed by a few elite rulers. The law is often an ass at the best of times.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 18:58

"My son would be alive today if there were no Drug Runners"



And Corbo yes I have asked myself thousands of times why did he take that crap, he had everything a good education, a good job, interaction with a loving family.......

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 19:02

Sorry to hear that TheSaints, It's the big time business dealers who are the real baastards and usually get away with it. The small players and carriers like the nutter who was executed in China are just messanger boys desperate for money.

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 19:07

Teatime..Yes there were murders when the death penalty was in force ,but not so many,and those that did murder new they were going to get the drop,if found guilty.



Corbo..What sort of rules would you like then,take the mamby pamby approach.God help us if we ever denounce the legal system,even if it is not to your liking.If the Saudi,s want to pass draconian laws that is their business all you have to do to avoid trouble is abide by it,and dont think because you are British you will get special treatment.Other Muslim states have similar rules to the Saudis.I dont think any one is naive enough to think that this execution will stop it,but it will certainly make them think about what they are going to do.Having Draconian law is better than NO law at all.Ask anyone who has suffered at the hands of these people....

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 19:37

You in the UK accept that the term for murder should be a minimum of 15 years in jail. In fact with good behaviour and by accepting your guilt you will be out again in 7 years. 7 years for taking another life. How many criminals released early have gone on to commit further serious crimes?



Life should mean life in jail; not a life outside living under parole.



Jail terms should mean just what is handed down. For example 10 years is 10 years with time added on for bad behaviour, not time taken off for good behaviour.



There is no deterant for any criminals to desist from commiting crime. The odds are against them getting caught.

teatime


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Posts: 852

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 19:49

So Coachie, do you believe Derick Bentley should have been hanged?

teatime


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Message Posted:
30/12/2009 20:07

and Timothy Evans???

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 20:22

and Old Uncle Tom Cobbly and all...



The question is should the Drug Runner that was caught in posession of enough narcotics to wreak havok with tens of thousands of peoples lives have been executed, a case which was proven beyond all reasonable doubt as he had the drugs in his posession.



The cases are not comparable, executions should take place but only when the case has been "proven beyond all reasonable doubt"

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 20:26

At the time it was believed that Bentley and Evans cases had been "proven beyond all reasonable doubt"



""I have come to the conclusion that executions solve nothing, and are only an antiquated relic of a primitive desire for revenge which takes the easy way and hands over the responsibility for revenge to other people"

Albert Pierrepoint

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 20:28

The nation that revers the likes of Amy Winehouse/her ex, Kate Moss and the like has no right to throw stones at nations who deal with drug smugglers appropriately IMO. How much damage would he have done to people had he been successful with his trip? Its a no brainer.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 20:37

msg 70,



and you will shake hands with the dealer of death that gave your child the poison that took him away from you?

I think not.....

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:08

And the death penalty deters crime does it?



I wonder which western country in the world has the death penalty and yet has the fastest rising rate of murders, robberies and rapes?



Why...that would be the USA - Oh! You are so smart - fancy that - the death penalty actually doesn't deter crime lol

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:13

72. OK I'll bow to your superior opinion on this, now everyone will be free of drugs forever, because one persons been executed, by a country that doesn't give a fig for human life anyway.

Corbo



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Posts: 627

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:14

Coachie, I certainly do not take any so called mamby pamby approach. I said earlier I think the victim is often overlooked in favour of the criminal in the UK, and that I believed in harsher sentences. I just don't think the death penalty is right. Also I don't have this respect for China that many seem to. They support a horrific regime in Burma and repress Tibet for starters. Just because they seem to be doing well in the business world does not make them OK in my book.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:14

If that person had been the dealer that got my Son Hooked he may still be alive........

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:31

TheSaints Im so sorry to read about your son, it must have been pretty awfull for you. Being a parent to a grown up son who you know is taking drugs, but you cant do any thing about it because they are an adult.



Corbo dont think any of us like what China always do, but they are a little bit bigger than us! A fact that they really have never given a toss about what any other country says......

mark64uk


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 67

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:43

absolutely

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:49

dc



I only wish we did know I may have been able to at least attempt to help him, the first I knew about it was when I had to go to the mortuary to ID my son.

Apparently it was only the second time he had took the crap that killed him.

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:58

And so another scum drug dealer off the streets.

However you may think of this, you have to think of the victims of these vile people who bring this into this country or elsewhere. IMO he deserved to die for drug smuggling, that saved a lot of people's lives.



My heart goes out to you all saints. You have been through enough.

Hugs and cuddles will never be enough.

God be with you. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Tx

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 22:12

Oh you poor thing thesaints, how simply terrible, taraspring has put into words that I also send to you.

Reading your post has brought tears to my eyes, and hope every bl-- drug dealer gets strung up.....xxxxxx

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 22:24

drugs carrier, yes

aware of possible penalty if caught , yes

mentally ill, not sufficently as able to carry out task, i e . no

mad to do it . yes.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 22:29

Corbo ..I am not a lover of the Chinese system,but it is their country and they have the right to make whatever laws they seem fit.A lot of the laws dont go down well with western ideoligy but that is our problem not the Chinese governments.The USA has as many executions for various crimes but once again that is their right to deal with the problem as they see fit.If a person is found guilty in most western countries,he is allowed to appeal,but if his appeal fails ,the sentence is carried out.How they conduct themselves in other situations aka Tibet and Burma is of no importance to me,that is a job for politicians I E. the UN.



Teatime ..they were found guilty,appealed and lost,end of story.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 22:50

Mike I never knew and im so very sorry but look at britian it has the same est end mentality that rule the drugs the prostituin they now go hand in hand. The girls work lap dancing etc hoked on the drug work for the next fix to provide for thier kids. The dealers pimps know they have them. Who aRe the main men columbians, italains maltese greeks no brits. they may buy from my list but they supply. our kids nee to be protected. the run aways get inti this life and end up dead beleivbe me i have heard it from so many people over the years

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 22:57

Sorry but I fail to understand anyone's point of view.

Drug dealer - scum

Executed - Good riddance.

World a better place - Yes!

Job done.

Good on the Chinese.

Can we send more to China? - I really hope so.

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 22:59

That should have said "some people's" point of view.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
31/12/2009 01:56

If it is wrong to kill then how is state execution not wrong? Two wrongs don't make a right.

China executes about 5 a day - and Saudi Arabia every week and also cuts hands off thieves

but they don't stop the crimes.

China on the other hand I can understand their stance, as to give mercy to a foreigner would not

have seemed fair to their own people who are in favour of death penalty for drug offences.

They did not want to lose face to Western powers either. They do not forget that we, the British,

shamefully made fortunes (for some and we know who) by flooding them with opium in 19th cent.

First in 50 years. Sad, (if he was mentally deranged) but inevitable.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
31/12/2009 03:22

Mike (Saints). There, but for the grace of God, go I. Well, not me, but my son. My biggest fear when he was growing up was drug addiction. He became quite heavily involved with cannabis when he was at university.



I despise drugs at any level. I read a newspaper article many years ago about a woman in Glasgow, whose son was hooked on heroin. She took him home, locked him in a bedroom, and sat with him whilst he went "cold turkey". It was heartbreaking. He screamed for some release from his addiction, but she didn't relent, she sat there until the the worst had gone. That lady went on to help many others..



I can only say to you, now, that I am so very sorry for the loss of your son - it could have happened to many of us. Scum of the earth, in my honest opinion. (Drug dealers, that is).



Jean

hds.trnc


Joined: 26/05/2009
Posts: 175

Message Posted:
31/12/2009 04:48

It could be argued alcohol does more damage.....and yet the opening hours are extended...im not trying to divert the discussion merely suggesting its a difficult argument.......drugs and alcohol generate untold misery.....yes he was executed according to chinese law........right or wrong...remove emotion from the discussion ......revenge......prevention...deterrent...clearly it didnt prevent or deter him...

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
31/12/2009 07:09

Yes Coachie ..'it's of no importance to me!' Sums up a lot really. Burma is very important to me simply because I lived there 3 years and experienced the wonderful people. Chinese involvement and continued support for the vile repressive Junta there is a far far bigger issue than the execution of 1 sad individual. The story never ends either. The UN are ineffective.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
31/12/2009 07:41

Msg 89: True, but he won't be doing it again. The whole point of capital punishment, deter the one you hang.



Tony