3 days into the smoking ban How are you coping?

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
03/01/2010 07:36

Well its now into the 3rd day of the smoking ban, I have been out once that was on New Years day we sat outside no problem actually it was quite pleasant.



The danger of the ban is that people when the weather is bad find themselves smoking in toilets cupboards and other weird places. When the ban was brought into the hospital I used to work in the 1990's a gentleman in a paper gown went to the toilet for a cig and I am sure you can guess the rest, definitely not nice.



The other thing that has not been mentioned is the revenue that governments make from the tax on cigarettes. This often goes into the coffers to prop up Health services!!!



Chris

scoobydoo


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Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 07:47

Very well, thanks Chris, I haven't touched a cigarette since I was 13 yrs old when my dad caught me!!

Hippo


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Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 07:56

Not easy-but Hippo is coping-day three today -the big test

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
03/01/2010 08:11

Well done Hippo with the smoking now lets see how long you can go with the other resolutions!!!!

Hippo


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Message Posted:
03/01/2010 08:33

Biting ones tongue the Hippo is

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
03/01/2010 08:34

Nice one Hippo maybe we should all do that more often!

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 09:20

Well you know last night one of my customers went outside for his ciggie,and when he came back in he asked is this ban in force or not as he said we went for lunch in a tc owned bar and all were smoking. ashtrays on all tables. is this in for a fact. Or did they do thier practising last year x

ladylittle


Joined: 09/03/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 09:27

I have been told by all of my smoking customers that every other bar is allowing smoking, I dont want a 5,000 tl fine, dont know about others x

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 09:42

Most of the bars etc have banned it from yesterday, so I popped outside it wasnt a problem as it was nice and warm out there, but hoping I can get one of those magic cigs and give up, but cant get them over here so have to wait until I go back, but I would love to give up but with all the stress etc finding it difficult without help at the moment

everon


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 956

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 09:43

all smoking in a designated area in the doorway at Punjab new years eve, it was lovely eating and dancing without someone's fag waving about in my face! my hubby smokes but always outside. My TC neighbours find it amusing to see him outside in the rain smoking! x

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 09:46

Don't smoke myself - but went to Cenaps in Alsancak for a Meze last night and it was business as always. Ashtrays on tables and just about every Cypriot in there smoking!!

everon


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Posts: 956

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 09:48

seems its all the locals places! well they wont get fined will they x

millzer


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Posts: 978

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 10:31

About time too I say, lets hope they do enforce it and fine those that continue to allow smoking inside. It is now soooo nice to come home from a pub/restaurant and not have your clothes and hair stinking and not to mention your lungs no longer being contaminated by someone elses smoke.



If every non smoker that witnesses proprietors of establishments flouting the ban complains and threatens to report them if the reply is a shoulder shrug, then they too will eventually get the message.



Happy (smoke free) new year

cyprus1


Joined: 19/02/2007
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 12:00

I have not had one since Christmas day where I ended up in hospital with a broken ankle, so I thought this is a good time to stop, not had one since.

nurseawful



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Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 12:05

Hi Steve,

Well done and sorry to hear about the ankle. If you need sticks or anything to help give us a call at trnchealthcare

on 0533 884 5621.



Chris

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 12:29

Personally I think it is wise to try to stay in on the right side of the law, and if we can do it in other countries, we can do it here.



Buut you might find interesting that I went into Dorana Hotel to get hold of some facts and figures (on New Year's Day) and seeing people smoking, I asked the manager what they intended to do. He (the Russian manager) was quite adamant that the law applied only to the SOUtH! I could not convince him. Hopefully the law will (and I am NOT going to snitch), but the Government is largely at fault as it has sent no notification whatsoever to any hotel or restaurant; there was nothing in the media and nothing on TV, so one might excuse the ignorance of some establishments, and maybe it is up to us to tell them that we KNOW what the law is. Well, I do, cos I made a point of finding out a year ago.



And as for all you smokers, just think how good your lungs could become. Mine did! Yes, I am a 'reformed' smoker but 30 years ago, cos it was a matter of w

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 12:31

... matter oif wealth, but now I know it is a matter of health - everyone's.

So let those of who care about ourselves and about others, act as the ed=ucators where the government has not bothered - but in the nicest possible way.

Keep at it you smokers - and rejoice that you are in the climate that allows for outdoor smoking without too much pain. Much worse for Britain, isn't it?

scruffdog


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Posts: 742

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 19:50

The Dome still have smoking in their restaurant, went there for lunch today.

loslobos


Joined: 02/04/2009
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 19:55

Chris,



You is lavly, happy new year.



You is betta lookin than yer ode mon !!



P.S I only smoke in bed.

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 20:12

Smithy re message 9---The Aydin pharmacy in Lapta/Alsancak sell those magic ciggies to help you stop smoking. Don't know how good they are as the memsahib bought one a few weeks ago and is still puffing away!

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 20:33

Name and shame the Bars and Restaurants that are ignoring the law.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 20:37

Well will be doing as another poster on here, if some one lights up whilst Im in having a meal or drink, I shall expect the person who lite up to pay as I will walk out! ....... simples

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 20:54

Can't quite see how you could make the person smoking pay your bill but I would say the restaurant hosting the smoker would be equally liable so what not take a piccy of the smoker with his/her fag on the go and offer the restaurant manager the option of paying your bill as you walk out or paying the fine when you send your piccy to the authorities. I think that might just 'encourage' these restaurants to enforce the smoking ban

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 21:02

Dizzy and millzer, I agree. Refuse to pay your bill.

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 21:03

How can you expect a smoking ban to work when the police are some of the biggest culprits....

Coachie



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Message Posted:
03/01/2010 21:10

Millzer.. Good Idea but you would probably get chucked in jail for trying to blackmail the owner...

greylag


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Message Posted:
03/01/2010 21:20

If the trnc doesnt exist as a country how can there be a smoking ban,

Grey.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
03/01/2010 21:23

Grey. Using that analagy none if the laws apply.

yorkie58


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Posts: 245

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 07:45

Still smoking in the small bar at Patina's which by the way do the best sunday lunch in the TRNC, however the bar area is very small and for non - smokers it's not comfortable. Still smoking in the courtyard also.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 08:03

I see the imformer culture that is rotting England, has spread to the TRNC.

flowerfairy


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Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 10:40

Sounds like you're right Troodo,

I hope theyr'e all beer swilling gluttons because they'll all be moaning when

there's nowhere to go when the bars and restuarants start closing down!



Anyone want a lift to Ercan?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 10:59

What a miserable load of killjoys you lot are, I think the smoking ban is ridiculous anyway, I am sick of being told what to do and not to do, the ban has killed the pub trade in the UK and outside pubs now there are fag ends everywhere.



Leave us smokers alone, how would you all feel if alcohol was banned, I would be laughing as I don't drink!

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 11:05

Dee

As you know I smoke as well but think it is good that no smoking in restaurants as at one time I stopped for a few years and hated it when someone lit up next to me. I really don't mind going outside at the moment, not sure how I will feel when it is raining though.



Chris

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 11:05

"I see the imformer culture that is rotting England, has spread to the TRNC"



Surely thats got nothing to do with it. Why should non-smokers have to sit in a restaurant and inhale your second hand smoke because you feel like ignoring a smoking ban?

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 11:06

So you will call the police, or refuse to pay your bill, that will improve our relations with the TC's. We are guests here, and I for one am very greatful.



Troodo.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 11:06

Hi Chris, you should see the state of the outside of pubs here and all the people hanging about outside the front of town pubs, it looks dreadful.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 11:10

Troodo. I would not do either. I certainly would bring it to the attention of the Bar/Restaurant owner and I'd certainly tell the smoker. If nothing was done about it i wouldn't enter that Bar/Restaurant again.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 11:11

Oh and furthermore, I am a guest in the trnc - a paying guest!

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 11:12

Bill we all are to a degree but smokers have rights as well, what about the drunks we have to put up with?

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 11:24

Doyen.



I hope you have medical insurance.

Vidal


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Posts: 867

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 11:32

Dee Mess 32



You have hit the nail on the head imo.

Isn't the live and let live culture one of the reasons we all came here?



Wouldn't it have been better if each establishment had been able to designate themselves as either a smoking or non smoking premises? Then folk could choose.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 11:35

Vidal,



The sensible thing to do in all premises would be to have a smoking and no smoking area then everybody happy. But unfortunately governments don't do sensible.



Chris

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 11:58

I m an ex smoker but always went outside to smoke if in a restaurant. Yes, we are guests in this country and as such are expected to abide by the rules.....that should mean all rules !!! If the law states that you cannot smoke in a bar/restaurant, then you can't....simples !!



I didn't want to pay excessive duty when I imported my car or pay the ridiculous road tax/MOT fees, but I do because it is the law !!



You can't pick and choose folks.



Paul

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 12:17

I am a smoker and although I don't agree with lighting up a cigerette whilst people are eating and agree with no smoking on planes, buses etc, I don't agree with a blanket ban. There should be smoking and no smoking areas. I left UK because it was becoming a dictorial state and hope to god the same thing does not happen here. I have friends that have worked in the ambulance service in UK for the last 15 years and say most of the time and money spent is dealing with drink related incidents, fights, car accidents etc. I also get fed up with sitting somewhere where people get very drunk but I cannot ban drinking and why should I, I have a choice, I either don't to to bars or stop complaining. Those of you who feel they will have words with people in restaurants lighting up will have a big shock when TC tell you were to go. God I hope this country does not go the way of the UK.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/01/2010 12:39

"I hope you have medical insurance"





Meaning what?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/01/2010 12:43

Paul. Message 43. You hit the nail on the head!

Coachie



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Message Posted:
04/01/2010 15:36

DC4..Most of the pubs around where i live have smoking areas outside in there courtyards with tables and chairs and ASHTRAYS and still they go outside the front door of the pub to smoke and throw there stub away on the footpath.These are the very people who would be up in arms if they were done for depositing litter.They are their own worst enemies.They even have large metal bins attached to the walls to stub out their fags ,no,easier to chuck it on the pavement and make a mess. You can smoke as much asd you like for me ,but use a bit of common sense and use the facilities that are provided then you might get consideration in return..

scruff


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Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 16:05

I haven't read all the postings on this thread yet, so hope I don't mention anything that has been already covered.

People are saying one rule for Expat restaurants & another for TC ones. I can assure you that this is not true.

I know of at least one TC who runs a very successful restaurant, who was fined well before 1st January & subsequently banned smoking inside.

I have since returned to this restaurant & he now has a separate smoking area, totally away from the N/S area. This seems to be okay.

I also went to another TC run place, again before 1st Jan. This was totally non smoking inside. At the end of the evening & after most had left & when nobody was still eating, he brought us an ashtray. 3 out of 4 of us were smokers & this gesture was appreciated. Obviously I will not name these places.

I thought that the latter restaurant mentioned above, treated this issue with common sense. Hopefully his gesture will not be the cause of a fine.

newscoop


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Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:20

Jessic in Lapta has put together an outside smoking area.



The non smokers who are left inside the bar are fuming (no pun intended)



They reckon the smokers are getting the best deal.





And they're right!

Vidal


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:25

In our bar in the UK we set up a smokers shelter outside and most evenings there were more people outside than in...having a good old laugh with folk they wouldn't have bothered talking to inside!



Funny old world 'aint it.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:30

We have been non smoking for some time, ever since the smoking police kept paying us a visit. They said you can smoke in the bar area but as the deli counter is there we made the decision. Im sorry for smokers but its outside now. I know its cold but the idea is to try to encourage people not to smoke. With the weather in UK t must be a nightmare. We thought of buying the mushroom heaters but its only 2 months at the most here. Just wish there was some claRIFICATION AS TO WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO XXXX

YeniTom


Joined: 29/12/2009
Posts: 198

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 00:08

Msg 50



Dead right Vidal



At my local you can't get a seat or stand comfortably in the summer for all the non smokers enjoying the weather outside in the smoking area



Tis a funny ol' world

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 00:19

There is this theory that it's the smoking ban that has led to pubs closing on a daily basis. As the majority of people don't smoke, could it be that it has been the smokers that have led to the decline in patronage of pubs over the past few years? The non smokers not wanting to sit in a bar inhaling second hand smoke? This left the smokers who have since deserted their precious pubs since the ban. Unless the pubs/bars do more to encourage customers through innovation, then the downward spiral will continue.

YeniTom


Joined: 29/12/2009
Posts: 198

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 00:41

Hi Hector



I think it's more complicated than that.



Other factors are ( to name just a couple I think)



Pubs faced a decline because of drink driving laws. It wasn't worth even getting in the car to go to a pub ...... I have seen many local country style pubs go under because of this.



Also pubs, in their wisdom divided areas into smoking / non smoking by hanging a stupid little sign from the ceiling ( how they stop smoke drifting is a puzzle)



Also their attitude to kids - ie - don't want them in, so families didn't go.



Sometimes the language in some bars is off-putting to female visitors.



and so on.....



I do smoke but I applaud the smoking ban in public buildings. I can finally take my grand children for an afternoon out, take them for a bottle of pop and crisps or visit a tea room, Alton Towers etc and be in a healthier climate.

Vidal


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 00:47

Hector. We can blame the smoking ban absolutely on the closure of our bar.

With half the customers having to spend a lot of time outside it ruined every quiz night, pool and dart nights and every private function.

Its very difficult to get the night buzzing when half the customers keep leaving to have a fag.

We did everything you could think of to try and get the trade back and discounting the alcohol just brings on the wrath of the licensing officers.

So we move to North Cyprus to get away from all that and look what happens. Even with the good weather, in a country where smoking is such a big part of their culture I worry that a lot of businesses will suffer.

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 00:54

Msg 54

Yenitom. I don't dispute any of the things you list. But apart from the smoking ban, most of these things have been in existence for years. Pubs have never been children friendly. Drink driving laws have been around for donkeys years, so they alone cannot account for the demise of the country pub. Most people get round this by taking it in turns to drive. I used to live opposite a pub in a country village. It was always busy in the week with locals who could walk to it & at weekends with people from further afield who had used a car. It had a restaurant too. It was still thriving as far as I understand. Finally, bad language in pubs is nothing new either.

Msg 53

Hector. If what you are saying about Smokers keeping non/ss away is true, then I would expect the nons to be pouring back into the pubs, but that isn't happening is it?

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 01:10

The pubs can not compete with the Supermarkets when it comes to the prices now, go to Tescos and get a case of cheap beer for a Tenner what pub can you get 18 to 24 drinks in for a tenner??

Spirits for less than £15 a bottle pubs just can not compete and people are staying at home drinking.

Also some pubs are just left empty as the tenancy rents are just too high and can not be met, my local (when in the UK) has a tenant landlord and he also works as a driver and on security just to keep the bar open as it is not paying for it's self....



Mike

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 02:07

I am back in the UK for the first time for quite a few years. I am bemused by how the ban has affected pubs here.

I used to look for pubs with gardens if I had my kids or my dog with me when going for a drink back in the day. Not all pubs had gardens then.

Now every pub I see has a huge sign emblazoning the fact that it has a garden (for the smokers). These 'gardens' (usually courtyards) have enormous square table umbrellas to shelter you from the rain and lots of them have signs saying dogs are not allowed in them and children not allowed in the 'garden' after 8pm.

I am one of those who doesn't like to drink in a pub full of noisy kids running around and now I reckon the outside smoking areas with their huge outdoor heaters and the ban on kids are preferable to the inside of the pubs!

Also noticed the camaraderie of those drinking outside to enjoy a smoke. They ALL seem to talk to everyone else and that's nice too.

Bear 1



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Posts: 65

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 02:13

Parkview.



Totaly agree.

flicker


Joined: 28/06/2009
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:15

a message to those who say it's their right to smoke what about the rights of non-smokers to breath fresh air while eating and enjoying a night out.

And remember what happened to that great entertainer Roy Castle who never smoked in his life, he died from lung cancer through passive smoking from working in clubs entertaining.

Doctors and scientist all say that passive smoking is more harmfull that actual smoking.

So all you lot that are moaning about having to stand outside for a smoke think about all the people that have died from passive smoking, who would not mind standing in the cold rather than in a grave.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 16:33

Think about all the people killed or maimed through drinking, do we ban that? I think what it should boil down to is for people being responsible and acting in a considerate way towards others be it smoking or drinking. I don't agree with lighting up a cigarette whilst people are dining but if I am somewhere where there are only a few people and they all smoke I cannot see the problem. They should do what they have done in Spain and give establishments the choice to be non smoking or smoking then people on both sides of the coin have a choice whether to go there or not. It works both ways and very well in Spain. Smoking is bad for you there is no doubt but to take away freedom of choice is a dangerous option and where does it end. Why has smoking not become an illigal substance? because governments make too much money out of it, so its hypocritical really.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 16:36

parkview. "They should do what they have done in Spain and give establishments the choice to be non smoking or smoking then people on both sides of the coin have a choice whether to go there or not"



Totally agree.

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 16:51

I didn't realise they had done this in Spain? Sounds sensible to me too.

YeniTom


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Posts: 198

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 17:08

Scruff



Totally agree. I thought I said that it was more complicated than a few reasons stated stated in one posting?

wattys


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Posts: 278

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 17:59

There would have been no need for a smoking ban if the local authorities had measured the size of each public rooms in pubs clubs etc and then made them to fit extractors, which were capable to get rid of the smoke, some pubs used to have them years ago.They could still have the right to prosecute owners who did not abide by the rules.

The old story cracking a nut with a sledgehammer.

I do not smoke but i don't think it's right to stop people who want to, another nail in the coffin of freedom of choice.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 19:52

The right thing to do is simple really. All smokers to give up. There, problem solved. Oh I do like a happy ending

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 21:11

Hector, totally agree. I like the plan but have another for consideration. All non-smokers start smoking, there, problem solved yet again. More happy endings!



New plan - close all bars and restaurants, make family's stay in and talk to each other - oh can see a problem with happy endings but may work. All singles to join the same club and talk to each other as well. Issue everyone with a card and a felt tip marker - everyone has to write "I agree" on the card and when asked a question hold up the card!



Lots of good ideas here, may even take off - not!