Discussion forum or not

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:05

What's your thoughts on this little chestnut given recent events ?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:07

tattlad

You have email

Baspinar Bob


Joined: 15/02/2008
Posts: 618

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:07

That depends very much on who you are.



Bob.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:07

Hiya Tat I have just got in and so surprised to see the wotton bassett thread has gone and another one closed. What have I missed. I was really looking forward to hearing the views on this emotive subject. What happened xx

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:10

Cannot discuss

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:11

Coward moderator removed them,I have saved the pages if anyone wants them emailed.

Baspinar Bob


Joined: 15/02/2008
Posts: 618

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:12

Lillie

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.



Bob.

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:13

Might be nice to be given a plausaable reason as to why threads disappear or are closed.......

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:13

AJ

you have email

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:16

Lillie Msg 4, in short it seems there are some things you can not discuss, although I have trawled the rules but find no clue as what or what you can't post on.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:18

Unbelievable!

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:18

all of this because oif a spat between DC and Nige

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:19

Msg 12.

Seems like there is an old boys network after all ;)

yorkie58


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:19

Maybe they are members of islam4uk

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:23

Spat more like a spit! .....



Dont know why they keep closing threads, it is rather childish to say the least... Closing threads I mean....



AJ, you seem to do so quite fast as do Simbas, do you not like it if forum members think differently?

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:23

kaiserphil



It's not unbelievable it has actually happened

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:26

Lilli,lovingcyprus,you have mail.

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:26

Dizzy Msg 15.

Your last sentance seems to sum things up very aptly.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:26

Coachie baby, its all our fault.....



Now look what they,v done, made us all have an inferiority complex.... NOT.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:28

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/01/04/wootton-bassett-freedom-of-speech/

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:30

Well tattlad, it just makes the forum look like its being run by PC folk, not for the members to express what they believe in, or else the boot goes in....

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:31

thanks goog xxx

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:40

Hi dizzy, AJ stated to me that this a predominantly North Cyprus forum, but it seems he has overlooked the fact that the majority of people on this forum are ex pats or have holiday homes here, therefore still have a strong interest in what is happening in Britain, and are concerned about events, if we were racist against Muslims we certainly would not have chosen TRNC to come to, I for one find the TC's a great bunch, they have a grat sense of humor and are a mainly secular society just like the Brits, and I am sure if the shoe was on their foot they would react exactly the same.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:45

Careful all,



you could all be cast as racists. (I know)



TC is indeed a wonderful place and we have met and befriended the locals and of course some of the whinging ex-pats!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:47

Abs right tattlad, we too have a holiday home in NC, and have always got on fine with the Turks when in Turkey and the same in NC. No problem with my neighbours who are Muslims as we respect each others way, we expecially theirs, whilst in their country, so this forum should respect the points of view from its members.



It will fall over if it does not.....

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:55

Hi Lillie, I think the main reason threads were closed was beacause things were levelled at DC making comments about Britain, comments that were redressed in no uncertain terms, Im sure you'll agree that when making comments about andifferent country other than yours will undoubtedly draw flak.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
04/01/2010 23:59

H Tat thank you. As an Irish person I know only too well. Usually it was aimed at us Irish but we can laugh at it now thank god. Im just sorry it escalated into a bad match. Its so emotive xxx

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 00:02

Hi Lilli, everyone will always stick up for their place, and by the way, we didn't mean anything xx pogues, slonshe, (not shure of the spelling)

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 00:02

Had this problem last year , AJ closed a thread after just 1hr and 19 mins saying that [according to him] the thread served no purpose, when i asked for an explanation he then removed the title of the thread and just left the word "closed" in its place so that nobody could read it . said at the time that he should re-consider his position and that i could hear the jack boots coming.

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 00:05

Msg 29, or maybe they should research the meaning of FORUM, or remove the word from the site if they don't want to adhere to it's meaning.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 00:20

hiya again Tat I never take offence xxxxx

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 01:11

Dammed sad event, our only option is to vote with our feet, shame ole AJ sees himself as judge , jury and executioner. Moderators should be voted in democraticaly by forum members and removed from office for showing bad judgement. Seems a once good forum is being ruined by empire builders,and the pc brigade, seems all we can talk about is knitting paterns, lost dogs and how wonderfull the TRNC is, a sad day in 44 history.



D.N

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 01:51

To any newcomers to the forum, or those just browsing wondering whether to post, this sort of thing is VERY offputting not to mention confusing when some threads seem to consist of nowt but cryptic or barbed snipes at other posters or past events on the forum.

Took me about 5 minutes to realise there are things you can and cannot say on here. But then, nowhere do I see this described as a 'Discussion' forum. It is described as 'your comprehensive and incredibly useful travel guide to gorgeous North Cyprus'.

Perhaps some clearer rules should be set out so that it is quite clear to posters what they are allowed to post and which comments are likely to be deleted, removed or whatever and WHY.

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 02:16

It won't be long before this thread is closed too!

Shame really.

I don't think more defined rules are the answer somehow. The problem seems closer to home.

Tx

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 02:46

taraspring - I mentioned 'cryptic' postings (which seem to me to be intended only to be understood by some insider clique or whatever). You've just made one of them with your comment "The problem seems closer to home".

Can't you just say clearly and plainly what you mean? Because that means absolutely nothing to me.

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 06:38

tattlad looks like a yellow card is on the way- Hippo said that nicely he did

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 07:20

A moderators job is certainly not easy, I would not do it at any price.



However there is another TRNC forum where the moderators work together and talk to each other if there are problems. Unilateral decisions are not made even by the forum owner!!!!!!!!! But step out of line and you know exactly where that line is and are told. You may not like it but........



I respect the job of the moderator, remember it is done for nothing, but please can they work together and offer a united policy. I did not see the final posts of the closed thread but other than the long standing spat between the 2 protagonists very strong but valid points were made regarding the Wooton Basset issue. In addition, the initial post was about this topic not...............



Some have said it is nothing to do with TRNC but a great many other topics are not either, sorry Paul et al - football for one. Everybody is interested and they should be allowed to discuss.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 07:36

As there are so many ex pats living in TRNC it is natural that they have strong feelings about things such as the Wootten Bassett issue and in my opinion they are entitled to express those feelings. Perhaps if all this has blown up, again, and the post has been closed, because of some stupid vendetta between two supposedly adult men who cannot agree to disagree, then those involved should be ashamed of themselves, take your arguments somewhere else boys and let the rest of us get on with things in a more mature manner.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 07:59

Call me ignorant if you wish but doesn't anybody else think it ironic that so many people are complaining about not having free speech when discussing the subject of islam4uk should not be allowed free speech.



The fact that islam4uk has chosen to inform the public that they want to hold a march in Wooten Basset is most likely as he stated himself to raise the hype (paraphrased). If they don't get permission, which unless the PC brigade are in control of the local legislative committee they most likely won't the march would be illegal.

However evryone is falling into the trap of complaining and raising the image of the whole thing which is exactly what he wants.

Use the peoples opinion for you, not against you. A very handy political tool which I am not surprised to see a lawyer doing.



If he doesn't get permission it would be against the rules, so they won't do it but everyone is getting up in arms at the forum admins for closing threads that are against the standard religious

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 08:03

(cont) beliefs of the country in which the forum is based.

Whether they agree with this cleric or not they are still going to be offended (possibly) by claims from brits who don't even live in the area of the march complaining that islamists should not be allowed to march.



Those who know me realise that DC and I are not exactly pen pals but I empathise with him on occasion after reading posts by brits complaining about situations they see to the general public on a forum, this achieves nothing but showing that we like to complain.



Sorry but I covered about 4 different recent posts, the jist of it being: If you don't like it, complain by mail to the admins not by whinging on the forum

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 10:36

Isn't this thread all about Free Speech? Everyone seems to be airing their views.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 11:14

No1Doyen



other threads were about free speech and have been closed

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 11:20

proger1



I don't think anyone has said that islam4uk should not be allowed free speech, what has been said is that any protest should not take place in Wootton Bassett because the sad homecomings of our fallen troops is not a political act whereas this march is clearly just that.



If islam4uk don't agree with the war in Afghanistan (and many of the UK population do not) they should take their protest to the UK government at the MOD, Downing Street or the Houses of Parliament.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 11:23

It is in my view unrealistic to expect and demand free speech on a privately run forum that makes no claim to provide and protect free speech within its forums. This expectation to me is in many ways no more realistic than saying that any homeless person can come and live in your private home because they have a right to shelter. You have a right to free speech but that does not mean you have that as a right here, just as because you have a right to shelter it does not mean you have a right to shelter in MY (or your) house.

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 11:29

Just a wee question to the last few posts never mind free speech, what about Truth ?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 11:30

Actually my opinions about the situation were not even attempted to be put in, my point was about double standards. The islamists can only complain in certain areas but the brits get upset when they are not allowed to complain where they choose.



You say that its political and our marches are not. They say its not a war but an invasion.



As you have stated about islam4uk, they should go to the government not the people and I am merely saying that the members should go to the admins not the board.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 11:42

Well said erolz, I wish I had the linguistic skill to get that across without the amount of typing I end up doing over and over again until it reads something like what I mean to say and yet it is still missinterpreted.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 11:48

No you can only have free speech if it is dear to a moderators heart ! if not they pull the plug



there are plenty threads on this board that are not TRNC related !!! it is whatever floats the mods boat I am afraid

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 11:57

Sienna is that similar to you can only come into my house and if I LIKE you ?



I agree that moderators here can sometimes appear to be arbitary, inconsistent and unfair. The point as I see it is however that we are guests here on Izzets forum. It is his forum and we are the guests. That is just the way it is. He chooses to have it moderated as it is, and its his 'house'. If you do not like how it is moderated in his name then I suggest you try speaking to him or learn to accept it as it is. Understandably what he wants from HIS forum is not necessarily the same as what we want from HIS forum but it always remains HIS fourm.

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 12:04

How do moderators achieve thier status

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 12:05

Paul & Erolz



Between you I think you have explained it very well, it is also not so much what you discuss but how you discuss it, when a post turns to personal attacks and arguments between some members have been ongoing for sometime it spoils the threads anyway and they do need to be removed as they serve no purpose...........

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 12:11

Hi sienna , re msg 48 , i feel that was a really unfair statement to make , i really couldn't care less what you all want to talk about , thats your business , but if the topic turns aggressive and personal , and members e-mail me with their concerns and requests a topic to be closed , then it does become my business as a moderator , they have just as much right to request a closure just as you have to keep it open . It is a question of balance , someone is always going to get upset one way or another

Simbas

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 12:14

Ok Simbas I hear what you are saying I actually wasn't necessarily talking about your moderation as I do think you are quite fair as it goes ............ it is some of the other mods and yes I do email Izzet at times and I have one the day once or twice ! and I do appreciate it his forum and Iam a guest (I have run forums myself I know what it is like) but sometimes SOME of the moderators motives need questioning

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 12:24

Hi sienna , I'm sorry if i misunderstood you

Simbas

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 13:06

" but sometimes SOME of the moderators motives need questioning"



So do some of the posters motives Sienna!

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 13:31

proger 1

At no time has anyone said they should not be allowed to protest, what we have said is that they should protest to the right people, a soldier follows orders, they should be aiming their protests at Whitehall, they are ones sending them out there, Choudrhry has chosen Wooten Basset because he knows it will get peoples backs up, he is asking for trouble, and he will get it eventually so I hope he doesn't cry when it comes, as I said in an earlier post, the reason we have troops out there is because of the two evils they are exporting, Heroin and Terrorism, if their house was in order troops would not be there, but whenever Choudhry spouts his crap he conveniently forgets to mention this.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 14:22

They can always go Afganistan and welcome their dead soldiers back.Would not be any problems then.Its mall very well saying free speach and democracy,but this country has laws to protect its citizens and if the decision is made to ban this march on the grounds it will cause civil commotion then they have to abide by the law, if they choose to break the law then lock them up.Show them the same sort of treatment that we would get if we tried it in Islamist country.I am certainly a great believer in treating like with like,maybe some of you will think I am a racist,on the contrary,but I believe that anyone who wishes to live in the UK will abide by the rules of this country or face the consequences.If I want to live in a foreign country I have to abide their rules of law and I get no special dispensations because I am British or Christian or aethiest or anything else...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 14:47

Yep, you are so right coachie, x

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:29

tattlad

Message 45:



' Just a wee question to the last few posts never mind free speech, what about Truth ?'



Truth is what you want to hear and not what you don't want to hear.

So tell me how you decide what is truth and what is not?

AJ

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 15:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo



;)

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 21:39

Erolz, as I understood sometime ago Izzet wanted this forum to be like a "community" well if your example given is for Izzet to have an open house and he wants the community to visit, sooner or later people are bound to get fed up whilst trying to have reasonable debate, of 2 people keep interupting and people then will vent their anger and leave. In the end Izzet could end up "Billy no mates" and nobody visiting, or, you can have a situation where Izzet only invites certain people into his house and it will become boring. It takes all sides and opinions to have debate not just certain people domineering threads or causing ill feeling when they don't like what they hear from certain individuals with alternative views.

In my opinion you can't just have a forum talking up NC all the time and there are people in NC who have intelligent input regarding the UK whether they live there or not.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 21:43

dalartokat. Excellent post.

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
05/01/2010 22:44

Sylvie, as always the voice of reason. I do not doubt, as I have said before, being a moderator is not easy, unless you're Bill ( that is a light hearted comment ). It has been proved in the past we do need moderators, so people let us all work together. This is a people's forum but due to human nature it needs an eye kept on, lets hope the eye is not heavy handed.



Paul

ps Sylvie Jean will be in touch soon.

pps Bill you know I love you really

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 01:41

Paul you are so right. it is open and we have always found it to er. Yes many have hidden agendes. We have become dectives espically your misses. I knew from the stirt of that post it was trouble and i feel bad as i feel strong about wotton basset, i tried to bring it to what whoever njwtrnc meant. We cant win them all love. Listen if nige is the cause of the promblems then he is so clever. I would not credit nige with that. i thibk sdomeone has stolen niges identity, perhaps the same one who stole firestarters we wait xxxx

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 02:01

Lilli - could that someone be a boy in a sailor-suit from Dad's Army? Maybe - he has been on this board for a long time under various guises, haveen't you Pikey-Boy?

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 02:02

Hans, sorry for the mis-spelling above!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 08:40

dalartokat I am just pointing out the realites re this forum. Some here seem to thing they have some kind of RIGHT to total free speech here. They do not. Some people seem to think the motivation for running the forum is a social service for the sole benefit of those that use it. It is not.



You are right in that in theory how Izzet chooses to run the forum impacts on its popularity, but the fact is it is currently a very popular forum despite or because of how it is currently run and has been for a considerable amount of time.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 09:27

PaulW "pps Bill you know I love you really"



I never doubted it Paul!

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 10:46

Erolz,I think it should be worth noting that it is the posters who make the board,not the owner.You had your own very popular board and a couple of years ago it was more popular than this one,now nobody posts on it which is a great shame.Boards evolve and soon someone will come up with a better board and everyone will go over to that.Think of Steve's old MSN board and of how far things have moved on since then.If the board doesn't evolve with the times then in 5 years will will be saying "Can you remember the old 44 board,you couldn't post pictures or edit posts" etc.Times change and things move on,the board has to do the same to keep up.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 11:13

Gooligan I totaly agree that what makes these work is the particpation of those that use them. I did run a forum, that still exists, but that forum was very different from this one. It was set up from day one to be non commercial in any way and was set up with a specific ethos of free speech and it was for me at least never 'my' board but explicitly belonged to those that used it equally. This is NOT the case with this board and people should understand and accept that if they want to post here is all I am saying.



Certainly Izzet needs to be mindfull from a commercial point of view that how he runs the forum does not undermine its popularity but that is an issue for him. So far I can not see that how he chooses to run the forum has or is affecting its popularity.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 11:40

What about Marks old Politics board - nobody posted there after a couple of weeks.



This is a great forum but you are right in that it has to evolve and that will only happen if it's a 'welcoming' forum.



We as moderators are only too aware of not 'over moderating'. However the constant sniping at us when we are trying to do a job doesn't help the situation.



I know we are never all going to see eye to eye but please can we at least be tolerant?

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 12:24

Bill,no one can ever accuse you of 'over moderating',you have far too much common sense.

AJ on the other hand takes it to the extreme.What you may consider a lucid and well thought out post may be deleted by another moderator.There is no 'middle ground',therein the problem lies.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 12:38

Rob. We are working on it - beleive me. It's been really hard for all of us 'mods' to try and get a level ground. You are clearly aware that we all see things differently and our levels of tolerance are different. However it is coming together, it just needs some 'tweaking' )

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 12:41

Will second that gooligan, No1Doyen seems to be able to keep every one in line without causing unrest,



BIG XX TO No1 Doyen the bestest moderator, as he joins in, has a bit of light hearted daft stuff, yet can be quite masterful without going over the top.......RESPECT.....

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 12:55

dizzy. Thanks for that. As for the masterful bit, I asked the wife and she said you must be joking! Who am I to argue? I'll get my own back, I'll refuse to do the washing up! )

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 13:04

Yes because you will be too busy hoovering and polishing

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 13:18

Rob. I'm glad you know what it's like too. I thought it was just me. Thanks for 'coming out' ))

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 13:21

Well I thought I would give credit where credit is due.



Tell Mrs No1Doyen that most of us do appretiate his common sense, and tell her to keep him at it!!!



Always behind a successful man is a good woman, !!!

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 16:04

When you close some threads on this forum it apears to me that you decide in some cases even when it appears to be an interesting thread but for some reason you and other moderators see fit to close them.

I agree we all need to be tolerant so this is only an observation.



keith.

mikki09


Joined: 17/10/2009
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 18:31

As I am fairly new to this forum compared to alot of you. How do people become moderators?



Mikki

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 18:45

Keith. I normally ask other posters on the thread if they would like to close it. I closed two this afternoon having asked for a reason not to and none was given. I also asked if it was ok to close a third thread down only to be asked to

leave it running, which I have.



Sometimes threads get totally out of hand and they are shut down without warning. There are normally reasons given when the thread is closed. Obviously some people take offence to the thread being closed but unfortunately you'll always get that.



I dint like to use the analogy "you can please some people some of the time...etc..." but it is true.

gooligan


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Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 18:50

Mikki09,firstly you have to undergo a reality and sense of humour bypass,fortunately for us No1Doyen missed the appointment

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
06/01/2010 19:25

Message 32,



Quite!!



wynyardman

greylag


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Message Posted:
06/01/2010 20:46

Well said Dixie mess 32,

Grey.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
06/01/2010 21:03

Hello Wyn, you ok boy......



I also agree with msg 32, mostly,... but still would not like any of their jobs.....

measey


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Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
08/01/2010 15:42

No. 1, What other posters do ask out of interest.



Keith

measey


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 15:43

Dissycows. very good points me thinks.



Keith.

measey


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 15:47

No. 1. meant what other posters do you ask before closeing down thread out of interest.



KEITH.

measey


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 16:07

good question.



Keith

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 16:10

measey. Is your message 89 in response to your message 88?

proger1



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Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
08/01/2010 16:17

Measey,

Good Conversation !!!



Paul

minertor



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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 18:20

msg 71, to me, just about the most emotive subject on this board lately was Wooten Basset. Look at my pic and you don't need to be a genius to work out why. The first reply was an insult, supported next by a mod. These two caused more ill feeling than the posting. In a later thread the same mod was preaching to members and I told her to practice what she preached. On comes AJ.

Tony you need to reread some of your previous postings or do you want me to remind you? I would suggest that you just wind your neck in and use this board for what it was intended for AJ

Immediately, again, seconded by deecyprus

Bloody well said AJ. You are certainly back in my good books.

Is this what is called moderation, or is being a mod a licence to incite.

Still awaiting AJ's reminder but doubt if any of my posts are "sniping at mods"



Tony

minertor



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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 23:55

Still waiting



Tony

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 02:27

Message 92/3 - Tony. Wootton Bassett. Yes, it was indeed a very emotive subject and I can see how you feel aggrieved by some of the postings. However, I have to say (and, please, don't take this the wrong way). You posted on here some time ago that your grandson (the young lad in the photograph) was due to go to Afghanistan for a tour of duty. Now, if I remember correctly, you said that you had encouraged him to become a "boy soldier" virtually straight from school, to learn a trade. Did you not think that, as a member of the armed forces, he may be called upon to go and fight? After all, isn't that what the armed forces sign up for? I apologise if I sound heartless and my heart sincerely goes out to your and your family, but, the last thing I would have done, with my son, is to have encouraged him to join the services. Trade or no trade.



I wish you and your family well.

proger1



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 06:55

Tony,

A very emotive subject indeed but unfortunately there is an age old argument between those that believe in fighting for your country and those that believe in talking.

I am an ex boy soldier myself who gained a trade and I think it was the very best thing that could have happened for me. Sorry Jeannie, and by the by, there was no encouragement from my parents.

I was quite annoyed by the first reply in the aforementioned post but I genuinely don't think it was ever meant to be directed at our men in the field but the principle behind them being there. He has his opinion and I have also had disagreements about the forces subjects but I can't change him and he certainly can't change me.

I wish your boy all the best and a safe return for him and all his team, just tell him not to volunteer to be a liney. For all those that might be interested research lineman for Royal Core of Signals especially the honour of wearing the leather belt.



Paul (REME boy)

minertor



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 08:30

Jeannie, so glad that you reminded me that I advised him to join up, I'd forgotten that.

Hi proger1, see you recognised the cap badge. Telling him not to volunteer won't do much good, he's actually looking forward to going.



Tony

proger1



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 09:00

Tony,

That's one of the things that some people will and probably can never understand.

The voluntary soldier is not doing this for public opinion or even to prove a point.



I have only heard once of a soldier claiming he did not join up to fight with anyone, he only did it to get a job and if he though he would actually have to go into a war zone he would never have joined. Having known this guy personally I was disgusted until I found out the UK national press had blown the whole situation out of proportion.



I am sure you don't need to be told this but be proud of him, he will be a better man, for a start, he will avoid making comments that stir up emotions in people without thinking about it first. (sorry, had to get in a little niggle)

minertor



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 12:47

proger1, the thing is, I'd do the same again. I didn't actually "encourage" him to be a "boy soldier". When he sought my advice, he brought with him loads of literature from the Army Careers centre. We looked through it and I told him what I thought was the best option. He could leave at any time up to his passing out parade. That is when the pic. alongside was taken, Aug 17th 2007, shortly after his 17th birthday. He's passed his driving test, heavy goods test and ordnance transport test. He's spent months in Canada. Could civvy street match that?. I think he made the right choice, it's only sometimes I think, What if.



Tony

proger1



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 13:04

Tony,

You can't help but think what if, I would be exactly the same were I in your shoes.

I know he is gaining qualifications that he can put on a table and show someone but it's the experience that you gain that can't be written down.

If you think about the way things are today with the UK's youth culture he has just as much chance of being stabbed by someone in a bar, probably more of a chance.

Nobody knows what will happen but at the end of the day he made his choice for his own reasons and he has stuck to it. If I was to be honest I only joined up with the intension of doing 3 to 5 years and ended up competing nearly 12 and that was only because I had been passed over for promotion (mainly my own fault, I admit) and then was offered redundancy.

I served in 3 conflict zones, one of them twice and all I remember are the good times unless I get drunk and melancholy.

I wish him all the best and a safe return to all our troops and support staff.

YeniTom


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Posts: 198

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 13:08

Ex Army myself and I can only agree with what proger1 says. He made a good choice and is working at it.

Be proud Tony

measey


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 14:21

Paul. Point taken but sometimes it only needs a short reply to get your point over.



Keith.

proger1



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 15:08

Sorry Keith,

I was in one of my, damn I am a funny guy moods.



I will try and avoid it in the future but sometimes it just takes over, normally after the 12th effes or a half bottle of russian water.



Paul

measey


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 15:31

Paul. now harm done id cut back on the Effes and stick to a Bottle of the old Russian Water.



Keith.

Corbo



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 15:41

I think there is a similarity between road rage and INTERNET chat sites on one level. When driving in one's metal cocoon you cannot see eye to eye with others and when writing on chat sights it is the same and you do not have the body language or physical contact which is important in communication. Much of road rage is started by people who wouldn't dare take the same approach on the street with someone they slag off from their car. The same thing on chat sites. Some of those quick to make things personal and to insult wouldn't dare do it face to face. An element of cowardliness comes into it. However, best not to take any of this too seriously and just laugh it off when getting annoyed.

proger1



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 15:41

You really don't want to know what happens when I dio that.



I hate finding out myself when the wife tells me the next day.



As Lee Evans wife said to him when they returbned from a long party " So !!! You think it's funny, to shit in someones fridge"

measey


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Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 16:06

know the feeling shit in the bath once my wife was not impress. But i think my point has always been Tolerence, have your point of view but dont be Vindictive , I dont me you paul but some certainly not all moderators use there power to the Extreme .



Keith.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 16:10

Message 106 - too much information????



J

proger1



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 16:29

Like anything in life Keith. What one person believes to be right you can guarantee that someone will think the opposite.

I've been in that situation and luckily we made peace before the mods had to step in but I don't think either of us would have been surprised if the thread had been closed, it was going nowhere anyway. I guess we just had a more subjective mod on the day.

As I said on another thread, I don't mind one mod trying to calm things but when another jumps in aswell it feels like you are being scrutinised. I think if you want to make sure that things are not getting out of hand then use your mod username as a warning but if you want to join in then use a members name so we know that you are joining the thread.



Nuff said, I really wish I could get my hands on some Schtollie about now !!!

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 20:28

Point of order!!



Personally I blame Newlad!



wyn

greylag


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 20:56

Wyn,

Have you heard from him at all,

Grey.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 21:01

greylaq,



Being a Yorkshireman he has probably hibernated, to save on the cold weather heating costs.



I will send him a note to shake him out of his turpor. Hes probably dreaming of an amicable settlement to The Cyprus Problem!



wyn

greylag


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 21:12

Wyn,

Nothing wrong with the odd dream mate,

Grey