Wear a Burka in public and get fined!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 20:08

Women who wear Islamic veils in public in France face being fined up to €750 under strict new laws being proposed.



The president of Sarkozy's ruling party the UMP, has said that "veils are not welcome because they intimidated non-Muslims.he went on to say that the veil is to be banned in public buildings and on the streets.



Are the French right in banning veils?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
08/01/2010 21:25

Had this sort of discussion last week, about veils being a form of oppression and intimidating! and the thread got pulled!

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 21:28

Yes totally agree, When in Rome..................

come_on_aylin


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 21:35

Wear a toga?

keithcaley



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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 21:55

No 1,

I don't know where you find 'em - you're either a better Googler than me, or more intellectual (must be the latter!)

Anyway - NO!

The French don't seem to have developed the understanding that the 'Separation of Chuch and State' which they hold so dear SHOULD mean that the State does NOT intervene/dictate in matters of religious belief - the current Authorities seem to believe that the policy should be to outlaw ANY display of Religious affiliation

Originally this was just applied to 'Official' institutions, but now seems to be spreading to any 'Public Place'

Presumably this will (eventually, if not immediately) include Catholic Crosses, Jewish 'headgear' ie yarmulke, kippa, skullcap (I Googled it!) , Sikh Turbans and the like

I have to say, that apart from the principle of the matter, it does not affect me; - I don't wish to visit France & have no desire to display a mark of religious affiliation, as I've never actually managed to work out whose side GOD is on!

malsancak


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 22:02

there will be no such law!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 22:11

Well apparently Jean-Francois Cope, president of Sarkozy's ruling party is set to file the draft law in the National Assembly after Sarkozy said the veils are not welcome.

Sarkozy has called Burka's 'a sign of subservience that imprison women', while immigration minister Eric Besson described them as 'an affront to national identity'

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/01/2010 22:44

msg 3;

"Yes toally agree,when in Rome..."



Do you live in TRNC?If ;

I wander if you buy PORK MEAT here!!!



AND;

No I am not relegius,never beleived in it and never will.Just.........

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
08/01/2010 23:21

Message 8



Well, if no pork was offered for sale, no-one would be able to buy it, surely?

YeniTom


Joined: 29/12/2009
Posts: 198

Message Posted:
08/01/2010 23:55

It's France. If the Government decide that, then that's it. When in Rome. It doesn't matter what we think. Unless you're American of course.

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
08/01/2010 23:59

Message 8

No i don't live in the TRNC, and i don't buy pork meat im Jewish............

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 02:25

msg9;

That was just a little example as opposed to comments on msg 3.

In any case,I'm sure you'd find a way of getting it even if it wasnt offered.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 02:39

msg 11;

So,you dont live in TRNC,you live in UK but you are not English,and to top it all you dont agree about (X) something that takes place in neither of above mentioned places!!!!!!



Ohhh,almost forgot!You live in UK,but you dont eat pork either.



When my first child due to start school,the nearest one didnt want to register my child there,because it was a Church of England school.And the reason was because we didnt go to church.So,in order for my shild to be excepted,I offered to start attending.

Needless to say,she was taken on.



Thats what,when in Rome......... is.



I suggest,you stick to your day job.

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 02:58

why should anyone feel intimidated by someone wearing the burka ?

Jeannie


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Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 03:03

Message 13 - yorgozlu. I have never been quite sure about you, in so far as you seem a very helpful chap in many things, but you tend to go out of your way to alienate others in different things. I can assure you about one thing, though. I tried to enrol my child at a Church of England school (25 years ago - we are white Christians - if that's acceptable) and they wouldn't take him. I was not prepared to cart him off to church (a pre-requisite) for entry to the primary school. He went to another and did very well.

You suggested that you would make a "bloody good moderator". Well, yes, you would, if you wanted everyone who suggests that TRNC is not paradise to bugger off back to Blightly. Because, Yorg, that is your answer to everything.



PS And, of course, anyone who doesn't live in TRNC, permanently, has no right to say anything, even though a lot of us have substantial amounts of money invested there.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 04:52

Yorgozlu,

Might I ask if when you lived in the UK you accepted everything there without any complaint whatsoever, I very much doubt that, I am sure that you were vocal at times about things you did not agree with. People who have invested in TRNC have done so because they love the place and are happy to either live or visit there, putting money into the economy and so providing, in some cases, many jobs for TC,s. That said they are entitled to have an opinion, it may not be the same as yours but that's life and your usual answer of " if you don't like it you can leave" is a cop out because you haven't got a sensible or realistic answer to argue your case with.

I try my best to respect all people in TRNC whatever nationality or religion they are, all I ask is that I am shown equal respect, I am lucky in that my neighbours do respect us and our customs, i.e Christmas etc, as we respect theirs, thankfully they are not as narrowminded as yourself and can accept that TRNC is NOT perfect.

Hippo


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 05:10

Well said Mr. Hatkins Sir Well, said the man continually offers repatriation, when i pointed out that without us he would need a stable rather than a garage the Great Poo Bah gave me a ticking off'

smithy


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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 06:48

I agree if thats the law there, you have a choice either dont go to a Country with such a law or stay within the rules

proger1



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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 07:48

Why is yorg being picked on, he is just stating the true situation.



Well said Smithy, the law of the land means exactly that. It doesn't mean the law of here unless that disagrees with the law of where you come from.



In my view it is as usual the british governments fault, they allow people from different countries and religions to break laws and get away with it because in there home country or in there religious belief system they would have been allowed to do it. So, we as british think we deserve the same in other countries but we don't.



We also believe we should be treated with the equality of the locals, why? This is not our country, it's theirs.



As for the money invested here and they would need a stable if we left. You bought here because it seemed like the right idea at the time and because a stable was all you could by for that money in the UK.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 07:51

My opinion !!!!!!



The Burka should be banned in all countries as it is a very dangerous garment to wear as it only gives limited vision therefore creating a danger for the wearer if she is for instance crossing the road, or if she were to be attacked she would not see her assailant approaching. Also it is too easy for terrorists to hide behind whether they are men or women!



Chris



p.s. I don't eat pork because I don't like it Yorguzlu I think it is one of the most overrated foods available. But I do like bacon!!!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
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Message Posted:
09/01/2010 08:20

Chris,

I am a little confused, isn't bacon also pork?



You probably expected that one though, didn't you??

nurseawful



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Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 08:27

Morning Paul,



Yes just wondered how long it would take someone to pick that up. I love bacon but really do hate pork. Also some of my vegetarian friends can't resist a bit of bacon if they smell it cooking.



Hope all well with you Luba and the baby.



Chris

TopTen


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Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 10:19

Msg 18 Smithy

Totally agree with your comments if it is the law of the land you should abide by them,I like to think that I abide by the laws of the TRNC, meaning if they decide it is illegal to buy pork then i will live without it.

If I coud,nt agree with thier laws I would leave, this is happening in Australia what they are saying to people that want to live there, live by our laws or go live somewhere else, Britain should do the same

proger1



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Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 10:30

TopTen,

The problem with britain is that they seem to believe that the more people they keep happy the more chance they will get voted in again. They don't seem to realise that keeping the minority happy normally upsets the majority

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 10:30

I imagine there are a lot of people who went to convent schools who are terrified of nuns, for example. Perhaps the French should consider a ban on all religious garments, and long hair because of the association with 1970s terrorists and dark glasses, because all the Mafia wear them and....

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 13:44

msg 16;

I could divert the comments I have made on MSG 13.

Your NARROWMINDEDNESS shows also that you cant even understand what I had written,even though its in english.

So,could you please read again!

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 13:55

tell me can I buy beef saugages in north cyprus i love them but refrain as they are pork is there a choice here or do muslims here eat pork, i have heard they do and seen too, makes no difference to them

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 13:57

msg 17;

Well said Mr Hippo Sir Well.



You have been rewarded the second place for my "Annual Mr. Richard Head" awards.



Would you please be kind enough to meet me im my STABLE,so that I can present it to you in person.



ps.I would come and pick you up and drop you of after in my MERCEDES that you had bought for me .

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 14:00

msg 27;

Yes ,you can buy beef sausages in TRNC.

Most cypriots do eat pork as well.

But,that was just a little example,regarding "when in Rome......"

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 14:04

Burka's were not seen much in london till after 9/11 then suddenly young women were seen all over

I knew a muslim girl and after the twin towers she put on her Burka

out of 9/11 was born a community of muslims to be seen as muslims, the radical clerics if you a muslim be seen and proud or you are not muslims and the british can't do a thing the fear of muslim girls not wearing Burka would be fearful of their men This was a statment born from 9/11

Vidal


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 14:08

Lets turn the whole thing on its head..try this.

We are all living happily in say..North Cyprus, when suddenly they bring in a law that says if you leave the house uncovered and in a strappy top, a pair of shorts and flip flops you are going to be fined £750



I think we would be pretty naffed off.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 14:23

Message 28,

Please give me the award i would be more than happy to attend your stable to receive it i am over in a few weeks.

You are entitled to your opinion as am i but perhaps you should be more respectfull with your replies then you won't come across as an arrogant Tw*t

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 15:50

msg 32;

Please do not try to jump the que,but since you insist,you can have the third place.



Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,providing their opinions are from their mouth rather than backside.



I'll be waiting!!!

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 18:58

At the end of the day they are not a requirement of the Koran, but they are a security risk, one of the 7/7 bombers got out of the country by wearing one, so on that alone they should be banned.

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 22:39

yorgozlu, re 8



"Do you live in TRNC?If ;



I wander if you buy PORK MEAT here!!!"



Then in msg. 29 you said "Most cypriots do eat pork".

You call it just a little example... Well, would you please so kind and come up with a better, less confusing example? Really, I would be more than happy to learn what sort of specific, "when in Rome" behaviour is expected of expats and visitors.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/01/2010 23:11

msg 35;

Magbs;

Your point is taken.Perhaps I should have given better example,like Vidal's,re msg 31.

However,if the actual topic was regarding UK,I'd say fair enough,give your opinions.But,not only it isnt,the person comes up with "when in Rome..."as much as living in UK,still carries on with his/her culture.



So,for your information,most Cypriots do eat pork TRNC,but the bottom line is,THIS IS A MUSLIM COUNTRY,regardless I follow it or not.Nor people here are forced to eat PORK or not .



Please no more questions regarding this topic.I am getting realy cheesed off with the amount of celf centred people.



SEE IT AS IT IS RATHER THEN DRUGGING IT TO YOUR OWN WAY.

SIMPLE,OR IS IT?

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
10/01/2010 13:54

message 36,

Good thank the lord, im off for a bacon sandwich...........................