To smoke or not to smoke that is the question

parky


Joined: 13/06/2009
Posts: 182

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 14:24

How are you all finding the smoking ban in bars? are any bars ignoring it? are the authorities checking up? comments and thoughts please.

exnavalperson


Joined: 22/07/2009
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 15:34

Parky



I really don't think that you will get anyone willing to drop anybody in the mire on an open board

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:06

Preferring now to stay at home as it is too cold and damp to be sitting outside for a cigarette. Any bars I have been in since new year are rigidly sticking to the rules.



Chris

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:43

they are all sticking to it, so dont go out half as much now

johnty


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 19:00

actually there are many bars not adhering to the ban.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 19:04

I have smoked everywhere I have been since 1st of jan.Few complained,I told them to go outside,ta.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 20:04

yorgozlu- Arrogant, man mind thyself....

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 21:08

msg 7;

In your opinion;(without being arrogant)

Is it ok for non-smoker to demand wrights?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 21:11

There are places we have been where there is a relaxed, and dare I say mature attitude to smoking.



I hate smoking but when out with friends who do smoke it is a bit............!!!!! So if bar is quiet and nobody else objects and owner is happy then why not.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 22:04

It is a bit .......... smelly? And no it is not ok, the smell lingers. There is also a law.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 22:45

woodspeckie is there a law as no one seems to know. Even Cyprus today claims if your a bar which sells food its ok. if your premises is more than so many meters its ok. we really do not know and it now appears they dont have the man power to inforce it. we banned it last year and its not been a problem, then you get a tc customer walk in and light up and they laugh at you when you tell them xx

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 05:25

msg 10;

And now,reverse that question,IS IT OK FOR A SMOKER TO DEMAND WRIGHTS?

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 08:03

Yorqozlu Its rights silly not wrights

but I agree if they have rights so should us (smokers) )

yorkie58


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 08:52

msg 7

Is it a so called ''right'' to damage someones health through passive smoking if so then is it also someones right to walk round a bar swinging your fists and if they connect with someone then you say you are entitled to your 'rights' wake up man! every body knows that smoking KILLS.

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 09:07

as I have always said let there be pubs/bars etc that you can smoke in and one's where you cant, then we all have a choice

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 09:19

I don't go out so much, same as a lot of people. Bars are beging to smell baqdly, the same as the UK.



Smithy do you speak Turkish as well as Yorqozlu? If not, can it.



Troodo.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 10:01

Yorgozlu,



"And now,reverse that question,IS IT OK FOR A SMOKER TO DEMAND WRIGHTS?"



Is it your 'wright' to inflict your cancer causing smoke on another person in a public place? Answer, NO. You may have a right to be somewhere but do not have the right to damage the health and well being of others with your habit.



Conversly, the right of a non smoker to be somewhere is just the same as yours, the only difference is they are not affecting someone elses health whilst the sit with their drink or meal, as they are just breathing out the air that they breathe, and not some man made poison!



It seems that arrogance is your middle name!

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 10:14

I dont like to argue or cause offence to anyone

All I said is if there were Bar/Pubs that had notices up that said we are not allowed to smoke then us smokers wouldnt go in, but if there was a note saying smokers then you have that choice, so what it boils down to

is Have Pubs/Bars that you can and some you cant, THEN EVERYONE IS HAPPY

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 10:15

msg 14;

I'd dare any one of you to tell me to stop smoking anywhere,unless you are a policeman.

Talk is cheap,its the actions that STAND.



We have just as much rights to be out there as you,without being hussled.

So,you know what you can do with your so called RIGHTS!!!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 10:22

msg 17;

No one is forcing you to be there!!

You can always stay indoors if you are that bothered about your health.



Anyway,enough s**t talk for the morning,it is a beautifull day out there again and I am going to enjoy it weater you like it or not.(life is too short)

Have a nice life all,however long or short it may be.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 10:54

I agree Smithy, this is what they do in Spain, the owner can choose to have a non-smoking or

smoking establishment, then everyone has an option as long as there are notices outside letting people know. I do however agree the law does not seem clear on this here as they say a bar that does not serve food can allow smoking and anything over 50 sqm can allow smoking.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 11:09

Passive smoking was just a warm up con for global warming. Smoking can kill the smoker not the passer by.



Troodo.

KickingK


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 90

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 12:04

Plenty of fresh air for non-smokers outside!!!



As a smoker it doesn't bother me if in the UK or Cyprus that I have to go outside and have a smoke, what does get annoying after a while is all the whinging not smokers, why don't they just stay at home, they will be a lot happier!!

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 17:34

Mess 19/20, Yeah big man eh! They say Gorillas are pretty strong though



Pointless trying to argue with self obssessed arrogance & ignorance though, so I will not waste any more of my time other than to say it's the smoker that has the problem with being unable or unwilling to go without a fag for a period of time so so maybe it's the smokers that should stay indoors if they don't have the willpower to go without a fag for a couple of hours or so.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 17:42

maybe in a few months time bar owners will welcome the revenue from us smokers ?

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 18:19

I understand that 70% of TCs smoke, so I'll let you form your own conclusions about what this will mean for bar/restaurant revenue in the winter.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 18:21

msg 24;

Get your points right.

My freedoom(smokers) is just as important and valueable as yours,and I am doing no more than you are to protect it.

If none smokers can have no respect towards us smokers,why should we respect their so called rights that have been given to them without our consent!!!



ps.Gorillas also have big hearts.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 18:23

from what i can see its hell for the owners xxxxx i see bars opening up non smoking segregation at its best here

jamestalbot


Joined: 20/12/2009
Posts: 958

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 18:53

Msg 24



I respect peoples rights to do what they want, I have no problem with smokers, but for you to suggest that we stay at home if we are non smokers does not respect our rights to go out. There is always going to be this arguement between smokers and non smokers, lets try and respect each other.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 18:55

Mess 27,



Yorgz, u r talking s*** mate



Yes your 'freedom' IS just as important as anyone elses..... WITHIN THE LAW!! But if you break those laws in order to fulfil your misguided 'freedomes' then you will have to pay the price. It's early days for the TRNC having just imposed this law, but get used to it, its here to stay and as time goes on it will be accepted more and more.



It's not about ME respecting YOUR rights to smoke, it's about YOU respecting not only ME as a non smoker, but also respecting the LAW.



Anyway, enjoy the fresh air, it might do you good



Btw, re message 19. If i asked you to stop smoking in a restaurant what r u going to do about it?

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 19:06

ROI was the first to ban smoking in 2004. As always, Ireland South or North are the "Guinea Pigs" for the rest of the EU.



The pubs and restaurants were empty and closing every month as smokers stayed at home.



RESULT....... We now have the best smoking areas in all of Europe. Semi covered places where it is legal to smoke. The law states that they have to be open sided or without a roof. So to encourage custom, some pubs have woodburners and others have electric fan heaters to keep the smokers happy.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 19:09

and if they can do it in countries with a much worse climate than Cyprus then the effect in the TRNC will be much less presumably.

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 19:18

Question



i.e at ezic premier....i take it no smoking in the building



but



can you smoke outside in the garden area where there are tables



i was a smoker since the age of 16, and did get to the point of smoking almost 2 packs a day.....i gave up in september, but have had 3 cigs since (stressed out aty the time)

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 19:19

millzer,



Precisely.



How cold is it in Cyprus that it would be a problem to go outside for a smoke ?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 19:20

.iT WILL HAPPEN IT HAS already in turkey. Its the same greek side do they adtere to the laW . iM TOLD no . personally I think its a goodthing. we are so lucky here unless its peeing down a fag is 2to 3 minutes to smoke. if it stops smokers or making them smoke less thats good. For 59 years I was an anti smoker I took it up here for stress. I hate myself for doing so but with any addiction you are hooked. I want to give up but cant afford new clothes. If I ever have the luck to go out for a meal now I treat it like a flight cant smoke for at least 4 hours. I do not go for dinner Im flying xxxx

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 21:32

Here in the UK, I've found that some pubs (not that we go very often ,with the prices) have made very acceptable amenities for us smokers. However, what I do object to, very strongly, is the fact that a lot of pubs have now designated their gardens "Non-Smoking", presumably because the poor old hard done by smokers have objected to the fact that the gardens are now polluted by smoke??



I asked Paul (a non-smoker) what he thought of this, and he said he thought it was ridiculous. I have no objection to restaurants/bars, etc. being non-smoking, but when it comes to open spaces?



J

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 22:03

billyboy, msg 33



Yes you can smoke in the garden.



That is the beauty of TRNC for 10 out of 12 months, smoking is not an issue as you can drink and dine outside.



Of course you then get the issue in msg 36 that people will still complain about the smoke.



There will never be a happy solution to this topic as some folk insist on a total ban on smoking, anywhere, which happened I believe in California.

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 22:11

Jeannie,



Surely you jest ?



A smoker complaining about someone smoking in the garden. WOT ?



I have been confronted by a mother who wanted to let her children play in the " SMOKING AREA " for can you believe it "Smoking "



Jeez all I wanted was a fag, not to be bothered by someone else's brat ................

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 22:32

probably the bar owners cannot afford to put up covered areas like we have in the UK. Even with the covered areas with chairs and tables and ash trays,they still stand outside the front door smoking and when they are finished they throw their dog ends on the pavement.It needs a few cases of depositing litter on the foothpath to help prevent the mess they leave.When pub owners go out of their way to provide the amenities they just throw it back in their faces. A lot of the time you smokers do not help yourselves,seem to have this chip on your shoulder that some one is trying to stop you smoking,when in actual fact no one is.ALL WE ARE ASKING IS THAT YOU SHOW CNSIDERATION TO OTHERS.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 22:36

So0 now,it is ok for none smokers to demand "rights" to have smoking in public banned,but when it comes to smokers dermanding their rights,you become arrogant!!

I just love the fairness in life.



In fact,the reason the world is in the s**t that it is,is because of amount of NARROW MINDED,SELF CENTRED people like you lot (none smokers).



How many of you have had complains about not smoking?No,you dont have to answer,I already know it.



So,in black and white,I suppose what I am saying is:



F**k your rights.I didnt give it to you,for you to expect me to respect it.

Perry


Joined: 27/01/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 23:03

I think the point is being missed here. It really is nothing to do with people staying at home - smoker or non-smoker - we all have choices. It is all about the proven fact that second hand smoke is harmful to anybody's health in a confined space - ie indoors. The reason for the ban is to protect people who WORK in these said spaces - why should you be forcing to seriously risk your health whilst working as a waiter, bartender etc. Remember these people become exposed day after day after day, simply doing their job. It is a sensible law and welcome to the 21st century.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 23:11

Oh my my Yorgozlu, where's your 'good heart' gone LOL. Go and have a fag and calm down mate ....... In the open air of course

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 08:50

It would be very interesting to see what would happen, as a member said, if they were allowed to open

smoking bars.

We're lucky here, we're only inside for a few months, but i wonder what'll happen in the summer, when the

non smokers are inside, while the smokers are sitting outside in the sunshine?

everon


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 956

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 09:25

flowerfairy, why would the 'non smokers' be inside in the summer x

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 10:07

I'm with coachie on this in that people should show some consideration. If you want to smoke, fine, smoke outside. You forget also that some people have lung/chest problems that prevent them from being near anyone that smokes. It's OK in the summer when you can eat outside but in the winter months when you are unable to eat outside you can't expect people to sit in an enclosed area whilst someone is smoking a few feet away from them.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 15:46

Bill;



"some people have lung/chest problems that prevent themfrom being near anyone that smokes"



Thats nothing other than emotional blackmailing.



Unfortunatly,there are too many inconsiderate smokers around that causes this problems in the first place.

However,my issue is not that but FREEDOM.



You want yours and I want mine,nothing more,nothing less.



If so called governments are that bothered about the public healt,bann the bloody thing from even being grown and be done with it.

I wasnt born as smoker,so I can alsop live without it.

But this isnt about that,it is about FREEDOM,and most importantly,MY FREEDOM.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 15:48

Thank you Bill.I smoked m for 51yrs and it nearly killed me,quad bypass,and I have not smoked for 6yrs now,but I have no objection to those who wish to smoke as long as they do it within the law.I suppose he thinks his civil rights are being abused.does he think the same about drink driving,speeding offences.?? These laws are made for the protection of the majority,which is the done thing in a civilised society.Carry on as you are Mr.Yorgozlu and eventually you will see the foolishness of your ways. Smoke your head off ,I have no objections whatsoever and bring your life to premature end but do not take other innocent people with you.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 15:50

yorgozlu



As Gerge Michael said....

Freedom,

Freedom,

Freedom

You've got to give for what you take

Freedom,

Freedom,

Freedom



)

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 15:51

Coachie. I agree...

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 15:59

F*** your freedom message 40 - thought I would take a leaf out of your message 40



Clearly its ok to use such turn of phrase as the moderators didnt pass comment about it have a nice day you lovely person !

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 16:09

msg 47;

I wander how considerate you were in that 51 years that you were a smoker?



You as a person/ex smoker dont even stand a chance to enter in to this argument.Unless your policy now is "I AM ALL RIGHT JACK,I'VE HAD MY PIECE OF FREEDOM/FUN.



As for all your other comments regarding how bad smiking is for a smoker,I agree.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 16:12

msg 50;

Completly AGREED,YOU FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM AND I WOULD FIGHT FOR MINE.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 17:34

Yorgozlu



Sometimes you do amaze me. I have lost count of the number of posts where people have complained about the way that things are done in the TRNC to which your answer has always been "if you don't like it then I am happy to give you a one way lift to the airport'. Strange now that you are unwilling to observe a law that conversly affects you. Bit hypocritical me old mate. Maybe you should book a one way ticket for yourself ???



Regards



Paul

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 18:16

msg 53;

Read my msgs again.Not one that I have complained in,nor expressed that I dont like it.

I have not smoked in whereever I have been so far,and the likes of you wouldnt have the guts (b**s) to stand in front of me and this or that,(regardless here or Uk)

So,I suggest you forget that idea,because I was no different in Uk nor I would be different if I was to go back to Uk.Nonetheless,thanks for the offer.

ps.Would you be buying me a ticket as well?



As Bill (no1 Doyen)said in his above msg;

freedom...............



you've got to give for what you take!!!





What are you non-smokers giving to us smokers in return to have the so called right to demand???????

ps.Any idea of the meaning of HUNGAROUND?

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 18:42

Yorgozlu



Calm down fella. Go and have a fag !!



Have read your messages again and in message 6 you stated that you have smoked in wherever you have been since Jan. I took this to mean that you pay no heed to this particular law and will light up a ciggie wherever you go. Please correct me if I misunderstood you.



As for freedom, everyone is entitled to freedom of speech, expression etc etc, but in this case a law has been passed that bans smoking in public places - you should respect this law. As to whether I would have the b***s to stand in front of you, you do not know me, so it is probably best not to assume anything.



Regards



Paul



P.S. I have nothing against smokers. I packed in 2 years ago after smoking for 28 years but will still happily walk past a bunch of smokers just to get a whiff of it

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 18:45

Yeah yeah Yogz, big man big man, keep dreamin old son

Sly1495


Joined: 17/08/2009
Posts: 53

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 20:13

dont smoke its dirty

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 20:52

Yorguloz..I smoked in bars along with everybody else,but I never smoked where people were eating.Had I still been a smoker



I would abide by the law as everybody else seems to be doing, except you.Question?? Do you think your freedom has been taken away because you are not allowed to drink and drive???Should the day ever come when you stop smoking???? you will realise what we are on about.I go for a pint every Sat. with three of my mates of which two of them smoke.When they come in from having a fag they absolutely reek and I can smell it on them from 6feet or 2meters if you prefer.People do not have to confront you if they see you smoking in a no smoking place,they just go and bring the police,but from what I have read on here, they are as bad as you for disregarding the law, that they are supposed to enforce...So I suppose you would get away with it. The people will win in the end,just by not frequenting these establishments where they flaunt thye law....

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 23:46

Yorgozlu - you seem to be confusing 'freedom' and 'rights' with the law and breaking the law. This is why all the notices regarding this issue state 'It is AGAINST THE LAW to smoke in this building/area/waddever'



If you are happy and brave enough to flagrantly break the law in a public place where they strictly adhere to this law - so be it.



Do let us know what the consequences are.



Perhaps you could start with an International Airport where they are strictly enforcing the law and let us know how you got on explaining your 'smoker freedom rights' to them?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 04:50

msg 59

And in my humble opinion,I think the best place to star the "freedom rights" for "smokers" in an international airport, would be VIENNA/AUSTRIA!!!!!

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 06:19

Anyone who thinks they are above the law is a fool, simple.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 07:45

Yorgozlu



Sorry but I don't understand your posting at message 60.



Simple question, 'do you intend to abide by the TRNC law and not smoke in buildings where the law says that you cannot smoke ? Or do you intend to flout the law ??



If your choice is the latter then please do not jump on your high horse and complain when posters feel that other TRNC laws are ridiculous and should be ignored.



You can't have it both ways !!



Paul

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 07:56

msg 62;

I am nor arguing with the law,I wouldnt have legs to stand against it.



My argument is with fools that thinks less of smokers .

As for me jumping on my high horse:

Get this into your head!!!!



I am at home,you are not.





Anyway,I'm off to see my close friend in Lefkosa in a minute in the head office of UBP .We shall enjoy our fags with a nicely made turkish coffee.





In the meantime,do please carry on,I will answer them when I get back!!!

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 08:27

Yorgozlu



As you are at home, then I would expect you to set an example to us 'guests' and abide by the law - as I am sure that you will.



Enjoy your ciggies (legally I trust) and your coffee. The fags aint good for you though !!



Regards



Paul

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 08:49

I think supermarkets should be exempt from the 'no smoking in public places' rule.



I can't begin to count the number of times I've been walking down the aisle of some supermarket - then walked right into a steaming, stinking 'wall' of fart - 'yuk - gross!'!



Sometimes I've walked into such a 'shocker', that I've had to race out of the supermarket and light a 'gasper' to purge my lungs before I chundered!



Never mind banning smoking - farters should not allowed into bars, restaurants, or supermarkets!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 10:33

Tenakoutou, I agree, but everyone farts occasionally, it is impossible not to but I hear where you are coming from.



One day me and my friend got a cab from Ercan the driver farted, we almost threw up, it was so bad!

dutty


Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 12:57

Yorgozlu



Is this not all about danger. A non smoker, not smokeing in a bar presents no danger to you (unless of course you are on edge because you have not had a fag for 10 minutes and you pick an argument with him) Whereas a smoker presents a danger to anyone who inhales his putrid, gastly, smelly, toxic fumes. So surely if you have presented me with a danger I could surely take you to court because my health has now been affected. Whereas you couldn't take me to court because i have not imposed any danger on you ( unless of course i cracked you after you picked the argument with me because you had not had that fag for 10 mins)

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 13:26

Try suing or 'cracking' a Cypriot, pal - and you'll be going back to UK with a 'souvenir of Cyprus'; read: 'in a wheelchair' after the cops, and/or his mates, have finished with you!