Well the matter is now out of my hands

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 15:42

Do you remember the saga with the two strays which I have been trying to find homes for. Well we had an incident today which i hope never to repeat.2 very angry turkish men turned up at the restaurant with the police. They claim the dogs killed , started of with one ended up 4 lambs and a chicken b eing killed by the dogs.The man wanted to kill ther dogs there and then.Also threatened to take me to court for 1000 tl for each lamb. I tried explainging to them that they are community dogs which KAR had put back on the street. The police knew nothing of this poloicy.The took the dogs tag numbers and tried ringing KAR, no answer. Guido then had to take the dogs to Lapta police station and was questioned. An interprter was found and managed to convey to the police the situation. The police phoned a farmer who took the dogs away. I dont know if they will kill them or not. All they kept shouting at me was you feed them so you are owner. I can understand them killing a chicken but 4 sheep. I

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 15:45

Liz- they are never far away from your area - where could they have got the sheep? Are they sure it was them - or just a scam?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 15:46

This is so sad Lilli, but some good could come from this, maybe KAR will be stopped from putting these poor souls back to fend for themselves.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 15:47

cont. asked to see the bodies but he just waved his hands. These dogs were so hungry this morning and if rgey had eaten all that well they couldnt stand. So these poor souls who are put back onto the streets will face an untimely death one way or another. We were taking them today to the centre in Leftkosia but beaten to it. If this mans story is true I feel very sorry for him. So anybody thinking of dumping your dog think of the life they will lead. Please no more on my doorstep as i will ignore them and they will end up the same way. I just hope the farmer keeps them and doesnt kill them

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 15:51

dee they are stepping up the neutering programme, only thursday i asked if i could take them to KAR and will pay to foster them. NO ROOM was the message. Yet today a dog was left and KAR took it. In todays cyprus today. mamachina you are right they never moved from me x

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:10

Dee, whilst I do see your point, KAR do a bl**dy good job with the limited resources that they have,the centre can only take so many and the government wont allow seemingly fit dogs to be put down, what would you do?



Lilli, Dillons found a new freind with My GFs dog, lots of rough and tumble and no growling(from Dillon that is;)).

cassius


Joined: 20/03/2009
Posts: 110

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:14

so sorry to hear this. What an awful ending to all your efforts. Poor dogs. Poor you too.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:17

hi ttoli i amn so happy for dylan. holly misses him. Whilst KAR cant take all and feel its the right way to go for putting them back into the community, i often wonder if the old and sick dogs who have no hope be put down . to make room for new ones. Some sad cases up there have no room to move, and become instituionalised. i wish there was easy solutions. give dylan a kiss from me x

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:21

hi cass thank you . i am very upset for them. I just cant see them killing sheep. they never move from outside the restaurant and i give them plenty food x

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:25

Liz, so sorry to hear about your latest problem. It never rains, but it pours! Dylan has settled in well. I walked him up round Dogankoy this morning, came back and fed him. My friend's dog, Renee came over and they got on very well. Then we walked up to Mr Pound, got a new lead and some chews, then all the way round town. He is having a sleep now. See you soon. Thinking about you. xxx

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:26

Liz when they were not outside your place they were lying outside the Limasol Bank. Really could not see them killing the sheep or even a chicken as all they wanted to do most of the time was lie about.



If the Police are unaware or KAR's policy I hope that they read this thread and rectify the situation by letting the police know exactly what is going on. Very unlike Lapta police not to know what goes on the area as they are always on the ball.



Chris

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:29

sloan thank you so much. it was a nightmare.The angry man charged in the restaurant and tried to take the policeman on. banging the doors all the time. just as Guido was dropping Dylan off. he is a cutie and cheeky. ask him to dance for you xx

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:31

chris the two poloice didnt even know what the tags were for. i couldnt explain as they didnt speak english. it was a nightmare xx

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:42

This must have all happened after we left today, what a nightmare for you, no way they would have killed farm animals what a story, as Chris says everytime you drive past they are laying outside one of shops along by you.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:48

Having been brought up in a farming community dogs are the nightmare of shepherd.



Get more than 2 together and they will devestate a flock in no time. Even the most passive of dogs will turn into a killer, albeit unintentionally. They think they are playing unfortunatley.



I hope it was not yours Liz and that they will be OK.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 16:53

thank you David. I just cant see it they never moved. My worry now is if the farmer puts poision down and more animals end up dead. Smithy it was 5 minutes after you left xx

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 17:33

Liz so sorry to hear that dreadful story, you an d Guido don,t deserve that. I would have thought that if a dog had killed sheep or lambs there would be some evidence of it on the dog.



Hope it hasn't caused you to much upset. X X

smithy


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Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 17:39

You can be assured Liz it wasnt those 2 strays as they were sitting there waiting for food, if they had killed all those animals they wouldnt be hungry for a week

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 17:41

thank you lee. i am gutted xxx There was never any evidence on the dogs. they were constantly hungry xx

catalkoykid


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Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 17:54

do a bloody good job, it should be kar held responsible for putting these helpless animals back on the street, sleep well owners mind you they probably wont here the dogs from Barbados lol

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 18:00

ttoli,



KAR do not do a fair and just job, they have refused so many who have helped in looking after strays when they cannot cope anymore yet take in dogs abandoned near their premises.



They take donations of money/food/carry kennels from you, but if you then months later ring up they say they cannot help you . They will take your donations but turn you away if you need help. So far on our site we have had 3 dogs and 5 puppies in the last year ignored by KAR all they offer is to have then neutered etc but you have to take the dog back!!



Do they not realise the dogs do not belong where they are most of the time, they have been DUMPED there. The local residents do their best but unless they want to keep the animal it is not wanted.



If they cannot get a realistic policy set up with the government they may as well pack in!! they just cause more problems by their attitude. You do not contact them unless you need help, you DO NOT GET IT!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 18:08

japeal i have tried in vain to get KAR to take them. they told me to set up a feeding station so the dogs could go there. We run a restaurant, can you imagine how many dogs would turn up.Thursday they told me to take them to alsancak and feed them there.I asked if there was a designated feeding area to be told to start one. I saw in the paper today that the took an abandoned dog in as it had a lable around its neck saying look after me.This upset me as i made many calls to get them to KAR only to be told to set up a feeding station and Two words NO ROOM. To get them nutered you have to make a donation to them. more untimely deaths

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 18:15

KAR hang your head in shame, what started out as a good cause has become joke only its not funny

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 18:47

Lilli,



You have more than cared for strays, KAR are supposed to be a charity, takes some believing.



They should by now have tackled the govt, hopefully to set up some sensible permanent way forward. How about dumping all strays in local government properties see if KAR then take them. Doubt it, KAR do not even have a rigid policy, as you say, the story in the paper shows it. You have done so much yet cannot get help. How come they take this dog in and then get the story in papers to help them rehome the dog why not neuter it and return it to where it was found! The owners obviously do not care to have abandoned it!

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 18:56

Lilli. You are my favourite lady and have to say without somebody thinking that i am a patronising shit , if we can,nt help Lilli then WHO can you help ,all Lilli is trying to do is make a differents, lets all put are heads together wetther in the TRNC or the UK .



Keith..

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 19:07

Charity starts at home people.

Look after the number ones first,f**k everyone/thing else.

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 19:26

I've just heard even Battersea Dogs Home have introduced a waitng list as they are inundated with animals.

As to KAR tackling the government, have you not read the newspapers over the years? They have had inumerable meetings with government ministers and handed in petitions but to no avail, just what more do you expect them to do?

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 19:26

well .yorgozlu. you are f---ing right but you can make a difference Pal.



Keith.

Vidal


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Posts: 867

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 19:33

He already has Pal!



Go and visit and see his dogs!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 20:11

Japeal msg 24 said



"If they cannot get a realistic policy set up with the government they may as well pack in!! they just cause more problems by their attitude. You do not contact them unless you need help, you DO NOT GET IT!"



Neutering and treating a feral animal and then returning it from where it came does NOT cause more problems than doing nothing - what a ridiculous acusation. KAR is an animal welfare charity it is NOT a british expats welfare charity. You seem to think their purrpose is to remove problems for YOU. Well sorry that is not the case. Nor is it the case that because you donate to a charity you should somehow get prefernetial treatment from them. That is not what donate means.



KAR took in a dog and it wans not Lillies. You sound as if you would be happier if they did NOT take this dog in that was not lillies, which to me shows how much you really care about the animals vs about yourself or Lillie.

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 20:33

erolz.



KAR's problem is returning dogs to where they did not come from! if a dog turns up at your home and they neuter it and give it back to you what has it achieved? you did not want it, it was dumped on you why should you then be expected by KAR to look after it.



I would suggest after the way they took this last dog in over Lilli's, that any dumped dog be given a tag and left outside KAR!



As for me not caring for animals, I will leave that to people to belive what they like. I I have had dogs for over 40years, even brought 2 over £1000 each, had them over 10years would never dump them or mistreat them.



KAR just need to show some consistentency. They are a charity run establishment, they must know from previous posts how much Lilli and others have done without support that KAR get, occasionally surely they could assist!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 21:48

japeal said



" if a dog turns up at your home and they neuter it and give it back to you what has it achieved?"



It has stopped that feral / stry from producing more ferals and strays. I can not believe you are asking the questions. Unless the question is what has it achieved for the person who's home the stray is near.



"I would suggest after the way they took this last dog in over Lilli's"



I know not of the circumstances but the fact is Lilli's dogs are not some kind of special priority for KAR. In my view the judegment should be made on the risk involved to animals if a choice has to be made and this is probably what happened.



Consistency ? Take all animals - no possible. Take none - possible but not best for animals. Take some and not others - the reality. You are want Lilli's to be taken, when you dont get what you want you attack KAR at least thats how it seems to me. Do you hope to force preferential treatment for Lilli from KAR with these attacks ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 21:56

For the record my partner for over 6 years now spends 3, 4 5 or more days a WEEK working UNPAID for KAR. Supermarket begs, working at the center, in the shop fostering kittens and much more. We have personally taken in 3 stray dogs and more than 20 cats. We ALSO have strays that arrive in our area unwanted and unasked for. Do we expect or get preferential treatment from KAR re these stray animals ? No we do not. We do what we can and before now without ever needing to post in public about how much we do for animals or how little others do. We just get on and do it. One more time - try and undertstand KAR are NOT here to remove problems for YOU or LILLI. That is NOT their purpose or function and nor should it be. If you want someone to kill / make disapear stray animals in your area then do NOT expect KAR to do this for you and dont start attcking the orgnaisation and people in it when you do not get what you want.

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 22:11

Japeal

"If they cannot get a realistic policy set up with the government they may as well pack in!! they just cause more problems by their attitude. You do not contact them unless you need help, you DO NOT GET IT!"



If you've lived here long enough, you would not make such silly statements, KAR do the BEST that they can,(lets not forget We are guests in another country, not perfect by OUR standards, but why else would we be here??), were it not for KAR, many animals would suffer, how many times ahve you been to the centre to walk dogs, once, twice, thrice (or never?).



Gov't wont allow vets to euthenase (sp?) healthy dogs, Would love to know how YOU would handle the situation????- 260 Dogs @ Arapkoy and growing by the day, (thats 260 dogs that aren't roaming the streets), and Yes !!, I do have a dog at my side(Ex Kar, Naturally).

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 22:23

Hi erolz. I did not expect to be treated any differently . All I was really worried about was these were community dogs that were dumped at the restaurant. It was sods law another two dogs were also dumped 2 days before very much loved once. I couldnt home tthe strays and was very worried for thier safety. All i asked of KAR was to take them away from the restaurant and put them back to the area they originally placed them. I was told just to start a feeding station. The other shops restaurants saw these dogs as a nightmare so I was worried that they would get the police and they would be shot. With the 18 dogs and 7 cats i have found homes for i never asked for help, only for these two misfortunates. I know they are overstretched but everyday I had grief from the other buisinesses. I was exploring every avenue in the hope thier lives could be sparred x

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 22:39

erolz your msg my dogs are not a priority , they were not my dogs they were tagged dogs. Thats exactly what KAR said to me it will not be a PRIORITY for us x

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 22:48

measey msg 25 . i thank you . i like you too xxx will email

Hector


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Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 23:15

Ah.. Cyprus an island paradise...

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 23:23

I am not saying they have to take Lilli's dogs, just occasionally they could relieve the presuure someone like Lilli is under for caring for unwanted animals. She has constantly looked after and rehoused dogs, on this occasion she had to get rid of a couple of dogs. No help offered by a registered charity.



KAR do a job, they are though inconsistent in when they give help! when someone who is/has been trying to help in many ways needs assistance they just get fobbed off!! there is history of this in many previous posts over the last few years. It will never be resolved!



Let us just let KAR get on with it their way, the only way to get them involved is to re dump the animals elsewhere. NOT something I agree with but if you do not want an extra dog what else can you do? You cannot ignore it if it is outside your home/you do not want it/your own dog/dogs may not want it. What else can you do??

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 23:25

What I see Lilli is the response of some to the fact that KAR has not made your problem disapear and you keep saying this publicaly over and over again. The responses of people like Deecyprus, Catalkoykid and now japeal to name a few who are using your posts as an excuse to attack KAR, with slanderous lies in the case of Deecyprus and nonsensical unfair and incorrect accusation in the case of others.



When you see as I do the vast effort and work put in day in day out, week in week out, year in year out, by almost entirely upaid people for KAR and see the number of animals who have found good homes and been given new lives and helped in other ways by KAR then both these constant attacks by others on KAR and those like yourself who repeatedly prompt these attacks on KAR with their 'KAR didnt make my problem go away' posts make me very anoyed.



I have no doubt that many here who attack KAR do so because they want KAR to make their problem disapear and when it does not they slate KAR

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 23:25

I have said all i want to on this matter now, the original thread was what happened to the dogs at Lilli's, she is a very caring person who has had to endure a lot with little or no assistance

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 23:40

erolz i am not slating them you said yourself they take the circumstances into account . all i wanted was for the dogs to survive. i was under constant pressure. i have never asked for help before. I admire any body who gives thier time freely to help. I couldnt do it.I only wanted the safety and survival of these dogs not to start arguments. I know you are very pro kaR AND THIER WORKS sorry caps locked on. i know they work with the resources they have. they are very lucky to have people like your partner who give love and time for nothing. Thats what charity is about. It was costing my neighbours loss of trade as a lot are scared of dogs, therefore i had grief every day. I never wanted it to end like this. If I could have homed Holly i would have taken them in to ensure thier safety and survival. They only wanted love. Sadly I had Holly and Dylan (He has gone today to a lovely foster home) he will be back in 6 weeks, otherwise they could have had the kennel. i even have another kenne

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 23:44

kennel coming as soon as i can get it picked up. Please do not take it personally. i post the situation here in the hope of homing the poor souls and its worked.I only gave the account as it happened.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 23:48

erolz can i ask you what percentage of the dogs get rehomed, how old is the oldest resident and how long has it been there. The reason I ask is I cant get answers elsewhere and im putting a plan together to try to help kar x

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/01/2010 23:54

japeal said

"... just occasionally they could relieve the presuure someone like Lilli is under for caring for unwanted animals."



More insinuated lies about KAR. THe insinuation is because they have not 'relieved the pressure' for Lilli in this caser then they have never done so before for anyone. A load of BS. KAR have and do help many people , though the first concern is the animals involved not people.



You say they are inconsistent - but they only way to be consistent would be to help all animals or none. This is just not possible so of course they are 'inconsistent'. Expecting consistentcy is ridculous and attacking them for lacking it is a grossly unfair attack. You mat as well attack Lilli for helping some animals and not others.



You say



"when someone who is/has been trying to help in many ways needs assistance they just get fobbed off!!"



The TRUTH is that in THIS case KAR did not make lillies problem go away. In many others they do and have. A bit different no ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 00:01

Lilli msg 42



"erolz i am not slating them..."



THe problem is Lilli you keep repeatedly posting here in public 'I asked KAR for help and they did not give it' and this is leading to people like Deecyprus and others using this as an incitment to vent their lies and unfair accusations against KAR. That is the problem and you are involved in it. Posting about your problem, asking for help and saying ONCE that you asked KAR for help and they could not would not be a problem. Posting over and over and over that you aksed KAR for help and did not get it is a problem as far as I am concerned. This REPEATED action and the inevitable responses of the anti KAR pack are what causes the arguments Lilli so if you dont want them dont do it would be my adivse.



For the record I am not particularly pro KAR. My partner is but for me I personaly consider there are more important issues than the ones KAR does it best to ameilorate as it can. What I am is ANTI lies, inuendo, false



[cont]

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 00:01

erolz of course its different. i was desperate and resorted to desperate measures.I have 3 ex community dogs and the one i brought from uk at home. so i have tried to elivate the problems. please let this go now. I have had a very upsetting day, and 3 weeks from hell trying all angels to get them homes, placed or whatever it would take to give them thier life. It will not matter one iota anymore as i have noe turned my back on any animal who needs help.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 00:05

accusation, ill informed comment and the like. That is what makes me annoyed, those that do it and those who by their actions encourage it. I see it on the boards from the same suspects over and over and I am fed up with it and will challenge it as and when I can. That is what I am doing.



As to what % of dogs get rehomed, how old the oldest resident is and how long he has been there I do not know the answers to these questions. I do know that there is nothing stopping you from going along to the next KAR public AGM and asking them and any others you want to ask.

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 00:10

Liz i am so sorry to hear this very sad story, not sure when this was supposed to have happened but i saw those 2 dogs yesterday morning down towards my shop on my side of the road.

Not going to waste my time saying anything about KAR i just feel so sorry for you and guido xx

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 00:12

Look Lilli, you have stated on here in relation to the SAME 2 dogs that 'KAR would not help you' how many seperate times ? 5 ? 10 ? And in response to this people like Deecyprus , Catalkoykid and Japeal and others have made attacks on KAR and the people running and working in it that range form outreagous illegal defamation to unfair snide insinuation and noy you ask ME to let it go ?



If you had not kept repeating KAR would not help you over and over, leading to those response from the likes of deecyprus, then I would never have posted at all. My post have ALL been REACTIVE to those unfair attacks prompted by YOUR posts. It is not me who 'controls' if it is dropped or not, its you and the rabid anti KAR posse that control that as far as I am concerned.

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 00:22

Oh dear. Come inlate to this. What a horrible end to a horrible tale, and people slinging mud unnecessarily. All Lilli's hopes of keeping the dogs alive and safe have come to a sad end, and maybe the dogs have also come to a sad end. ~And it even seems that all the discussions have come to a sad end.

But I must just comment Erol on your last sentence. Please remember that Lilli like many others are trying to make a liviong running a business, and most of the information she gets is via e mail, internet or telephone. Attending meetings is almost impossible when running a restaurant, and I am sure that you are aware of the fierce competition now in running catering establishments which are closing down as fast as new ones open.

So, please, can't we all say a 'Thank you' for the Lilli's who dlo their bit on a personal leve, a 'Thank you' for the charities which try to help such as KAR (and consider that BARK went to the wall because they couldn't even get enough money to pursue the d

billyboy1


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Posts: 590

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 00:25

so what if lilli chooses to use this public forum to get help for dogs......KAR hasnt been able to help her, so she uses this forum to find homes for dogs, or kennels for dogs that she cant find homes for.....



good on her is what i have to say.....

Maz


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Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 00:26

conbt... the dream of having kennels), and that many other people quietly try to do what they can. Many are thwarted in their good intentions, and are harrassed by outside factors (Lilli and KAR both experienced this) , but please, don't nit pick eachother. Let's all try to be understanding of the difficultues and problems experienced by many, whether two, legged, four legged (or maybe even one legged) and help where we can, or shut up!

So sorry that the saga ended as it did Lilli. They were lovely dogs, but street dogs and dumped on you and on a - community that couldn't /wouldn 't accept them, and then you would have to do the same. Matter taken out of your hands. Not in the best way, but keep heart, and keep healping where you can. And I can only say I am so very sorry (and so is 'Im downstairs) for all the heartache is has caused so many.

But, as they say 'This is Cyprus' and there are so many problems to be solved, but let';s all be thankful that we live in a society where

Maz


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Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 00:28

part 3 of 'sermon) ..... we can live in relative freedom; are not mugged when we go shopping; where people DO care; where families matter; where coimmunity matters and where we don't have to cope with freezing weather and 6 ft of snow.

Does anybody say Amen.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 00:40

Thank you billyboy and marie. MaRIE I KNOW YOU DID YOUR BEST FOR ME WITH KAR. i ALSO OFTEN READ ERLOZ POINTS AND OFTEN AGRE sorry these blooming caps . What we have to do is find a way forward however we do it. I never wanted all this but i do appreciate where he is coming from and Im so pleased that he is so patriotic for kar. As i al;ways say they do what they can and he is right why should i expect any different treatment. Marie one hour decided thier destiny we on the advice of pertev were taking them to a centre only had to deliver dylan to his new temporaty home first. On a lighter note they concreted the new units they are building next door and they ran in it. the footprints are there forever. Im so sad Marie you saw the state of me on Thursday when i had all the grief. I feel i have been set up. Just waiting to hear if i have to go to court. oh my god . I hope and pray they are still alive xxxxxx

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 00:49

Why should you have to go to court Lilli?. Whatever the dogs may have done or not done, you were NOT the owners and cannot be held responsible. There are loads of us who would support you on that. Maybe all those who fed the dogs at your restaurant could also be accused of being 'owners' because they showed concern.

Sleep well, and please don't worry. I am sure it was a 'set up' possibly engineered by someone who couldn't think of any other wayof getting the dogs away from the site. As to whether they are alive, -you can't worry about that. But I do wonder where they are.

Now go to bed. Sleep the sleep of the just and may the sun shine on you tomorrow.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 01:02

thank you my lovely marie. Im so tired but still very upset. Those two dogs have given me 3 weeks of heartache but three weeks of love and understanding. you know what i felt for them. helpless hopeless and alone xxx. If I had ignored them they may have gone away and be alive now. i will never take another in. Dylan has gone for 6 weeks so dudu can be happy . holly is still with me as beautiful as ever . Im not even going to try to post for a home for her now after all this goodnight god bless xxxxxx

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 10:33

good morning. can i just thank those of you who have sent me emails and messages of support. thank you x

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 20:02

i said i would not do it but holly needs a home . she is all alone now dylan and millie have gone. pics on dc portal or past post. she is one beautiful girl so well behaved and has been looked afterby me since xmas eve. i adore her but my lot will not xxxxx

rowan


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 22:19

keep trying, not easy for you after the recent events. Fingers crossed, I know how much you care about animal welfare

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 22:38

My own personal view after visiting KAR is that they need bigger premises as there's not enough room to swing a cat.



Lilli, Can we assume lamb chops are half price this week?

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
17/01/2010 23:25

Glad to see that Lilli is bouncing back. I do hope someone takes Holly. She really is LOVELY.

Love billyB's sense of humour, but what I want to know is WHERE the sheep were that were slaughtered by the dogs. I am beginning to think it was a put up job to get rid of the dogs. Maybe someone got someone to phone the police with the story, because theycouldnot thin k of anyother way to handle the situation.

Don't like being suspicious, but... it does make one wonder.



Hope you are de-stressed Lilli. Will catch up in the week. Only just got home and have not followed the threads of today. As to KAR needing bigger premises, BillyB would have to speak from someone at the office to find out what the official thinking is on that. Bigger premises would no doubt mean more animals, more helop needed, more money for vets and food and so on. Whichever way you look at it, it can be a nightmare.

Personally, I think the time has come to make another decision on the 'street' dogs/cats etc.

yorkie58


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
18/01/2010 06:11

Personally I would think like the police in that, if you start feeding a dog then you are accepting responsibility for it, even smile at a stray dog that comes into your area it then thinks you want it. I see many people being friendly to strays and giving them scraps but don't want them as their own, am afraid it doesn't work like that in a dogs mind.