Is it The end

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 12:42

Is it the end, or is it a waiting game now ie the geeks coming to get our homes one by one.

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 12:45

your guess or mine who knows

everon


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 956

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 12:47

it has to be "a waiting game" whether people can live with"waiting" is up to the individual x

hds.trnc


Joined: 26/05/2009
Posts: 175

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 12:54

it could be end of UK market in fact EU buyers etc...but wait a mo...we bought under TRNC laws sponsored by turkey..where are they in this...



signed..nieve

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 12:56

The TRNC government has had 6 years to prepare for this verdict - and what has it done? Zilch!



It is not the end. How can it be?



Outside of the 10 or 15 thousand foreign owners the vast majority of properties in the TRNC are owned / occupied by the TCs.



Cannot see the GCs coming with EU writs to move 150,000 TCs out of their homes.



Also a significant portion of the land in the south is owned by TCs.



The final solution can be and will be a 'Political' one.



The problem TCs and others are now faced with is what incentive is there for the GC to compromise?



It will affect the economy. House prices will inevitably challenge further lows.



My question as always is this: What has the TRNC government done to protect investors in its country?



Sadly, therein lies the biggest problem - too much greed and self-vested interest by the TCs has put most of the foreign owners with EU assets at a huge risk. Since they cannot vote - they don't really seem to count for the pol

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 13:00

...Cont'd



they don't seem to count for the politcial elite.



It will lead to a fall off in investment. It will in turn affect the wider economy as 30% of the economy is reliant on the property and construction sector.



More job losses, more uncertainty....less investment.



The issue is one of CONFIDENCE and unfortunately the TRNC government does not inspire (at least to date) any confidence in what they are prepared to do to counter this potential sunami heading towards the north of Cyprus!

hds.trnc


Joined: 26/05/2009
Posts: 175

Message Posted:
19/01/2010 13:29

We all feel for the orams ..for the grace of god go I..and im sure mistakes were made...the positive aspect ..i hope is it should focus the attention on such issues even further..yes the economy is in dire straights before this ..now what....surely it will draw the trnc and turkey into the arguments..what of the talks...i can just imagine the chat over t and biscuits...i wait with nterest..give up!!!!...pah not likely!!!!...do you think there will be a raft of claims from north to south now...



naive norman

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 13:25

in reply to jay's posting

re: greek cypriots taking posession of properties they say they formerly occupied:



the one outcome that's LEAST likely, is melitis ever moving into the orams' villa



legal argument may produce peverse or unexpected results,

but the claimant's lawyer already hinted that the elderly couple's uk assets

may not be targeted, keenly aware that anything harsh or hasty

could foster a campaign in support of the the pensioners

and even throw up difficult questions over parallel unenforcability

eg. children secretly shipped to their father's home elsewhere in the eu

exposing south european courts' failiure to support uk custody rulings



without local permission to demolish it may well be that turkey as "occupying power"

is persued for compension instead

giving our authorities a perfect excuse to shut down the properties commission:

"you spent a million on lawyers, so we won't pay for a viable alternative"



perhaps "geeks" was no spelling mistake?

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 14:54

Not really up on my Shakespeare but remeber the person who wanted a pound of flesh and was told he could only do so if flesh only (no blood)! Surely that can be applied to here take your land and my house but not the paint that I paid for on put on the walls.! Even they couldn't do that one.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 09:33

I think the Apostolides victory just merely proved a legal point. It was a hollow victory in that he will never return to the North and settle here.



What will he do with the land? Nothing, it'll lay dormant for another 25 years - perhaps longer. He definately won't try to sell it, at least whilst he is alive. Perhaps his family may sell it in years to come.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 10:31

1. First of all, the villa will not be demolished because TRNC authorities will not allow it.

2. These court cases are orchastrated by ROC and they are nolt individual cases. The aim of this casse was to put off buyers from EU from buying in TRNC. ROC is aware of possible negative reaction from the British public and therefore they will not be in a hurry to move against the assets of Orams in UK. Probably Orams will pay the compensation for tresspass any way.

3. Orams may well be compensated for the compensation and also be given a Turkish title villa by TRNC authorities. Time will show.

4. The housing market is at rock bottom all thanks to TRNC way of doing things, so "Orams" effect is minimal at the moment.

5. I have written a full page article for Havadis newspaper which I hope will be published on Saturday or Sunday. The editor sent me an e.mail to the effect that they prefer to publish it at week-ends when people have more time to read. I hope the authorities will take note.

ismet

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 10:36

Is this the end? I think it could be a new beginning. If the talks are deadlocked, which is a huge possiblity, I cannot see the situation carrying on for another 35 years with the status quo. Something has got to happen and I trust it will soon.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 10:38

Is this the end? I think it could be a new beginning.



Sloan, thats what I like - being positive.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 12:09

Elko



Well said. There is a danger of everything that happens to the TRNC property sector will be blamed on the Orams case.As you rightly say the damage was already done. The worst that the Orams decision could add is that the authorities might stop all efforts now to reform the system.The other result is that ,given the time taken for legal action,some people might have to be some back rent,if they live that long.



.We shouldnt forget that for lot of people ,their problem post Orams are the same as pre Orams,

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 12:12

We should all focus on how we can get the government to repeal the PTP law for relations of existing property owners, thus allowing owners to transfer their propertries into the names of other family members.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 12:22

Ismet

Is having your full page article published in a discerning newspaper your first testing ground before allowing your name to go forward as a candidate for president? We need to know, in fact, we demand to know!



Richard

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 12:51

ELCO2 can you post your'e article on here ?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 20:51

Let us see it first in print and gauge the reactions. Then I am write a similar one for Cyprus Today but I hate translations, I prefer to rephrase it and emphasize things differently according to the potential readers. We will see.

ismet

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 21:16

hi jay76 , yep its probably the end , for the talks that is .

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 22:11

No 1...msg 10 Why could'nt he sell the land ? [ assuming the house was knocked down ] If this happened surely this would be a safe bet for the new buyer.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 22:18

msg20 ,eager ,its a test case ,t/cs can now do the same southside if they so wish , he won a battle not a war .

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 23:21

It's just the start, the stage is now clear for the final performance unified or two states!!! Simples..............

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 23:28

You know what they say 'It ain't over till the fat ladysings' so, no way is it over. Why? Because there are no fat ladysingers here who are good enough to sing the final song.



And be positive - a new beginning yes - a new beignning of the world knowing the true history; a new beginning to see an increase in tourism just out of sheer curiosity; a new beginning to increasing togetherness of the people of the north, whatever their ethnic origins; and a new beginning to the future of a people who have been the victims for too long.



Yea, good positive stuff. The party is definitely NOT over

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 23:40

You have more chance of losing your home in the UK from moorage default than losing it to a GC here in the TRNC.

So why not emigrate to North Cyprus, our national dept is less and the housing and cost of living cheaper - and the sun shines brightly almost every day.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 23:42

Troodo

quote of the night spot on my friend

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 23:49

Eager message 20 -

No 1...msg 10 Why could'nt he sell the land ? [ assuming the house was knocked down ] If this happened surely this would be a safe bet for the new buyer.



I didn't say he couldn't sell it, I said he wouldn't sell it - not in his lifetime. He's had a moral victory, he'll never sell the land.



You are right though, if he were to sell it would be a good buy. Perhaps I'll make him

an offer. Now there's a thought!

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 23:52

Not as daft as it sounds No 1.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 08:46

No1Doyen;msg26;

I already have offered to buy his land on the other forum,and since mr.A was never going to be able to make any use of ot,I offered to buy it for 0.01 euro cent.



However,it's not the same for TCs.Under the EU law,TCs can now claim their land/property in the south and go live there or sell it.



Two wrongs may not make one wright,but the facts are there and I do not like it one single bit.

You'd be surprised how low some are prepaired to go for their GAIN and lose their IDENTITY at the same time.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 10:54

Yorgozlu,

I have seen 1 Euro cent but where can I get 0.01 Euro cent?

ismet

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 14:19

Sorry Ismet abi,but you know what I mean!

I'll rephrase:0.01 euro

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 16:24

Of course I do Yorgozlu, just pulling your leg

ismet