That other place,or they who shall not be named

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 16:29

In the absence of 44 I have taken the occasion to view the dark sides board.

What glee they have taken on the plight of home owners here.



They really think the JCB's are going to roll through the border, that the courts will sequestrate moneys and property virtually immediately.



I have always been optimistic about a negotiated settlement here, but with people like that i can see little hope.



What is interesting is the amount of supposably ex pats that vehemently oppose the North.

Sour grapes I think.

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 16:33

I did the same Hippo and the vitriolic posts were full of hate. Really puerile stuff. I left 1 message and departed for ever. Debate is good and taking on people with opposing views is important some times but I think any alternative view on that site would be met with abuse and personal comment.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 16:42

There are some good debates on the forum you are referring to. However if you are easily intimidated I wouldn't bother 'going over'

mrcyprus


Joined: 26/06/2009
Posts: 270

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 16:45

Dark side?

Most of us on here are not Turkish, the invasion didnt affect any of you, why call it that?

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 16:45

I'm sure there are and I'm not easily intimidated but there seemed to be a lot of puerile hatred. Also I post on several boards and blogs and cannot be bothered with the effort of taking on many on a new one.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 16:46

Hi all I agree about the debates but the language. Im so surprised they get away with that. To think that these are brits against the brits who live this side. its unbeleivable

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 16:56

A number of tour operators (including us at IAH) get emails that can be distressing from people who think we should not work with North Cyprus.



There was a small spate recently and they were both rude and nasty. It saddens us each time we see them.



Tom

info@flightholiday.co.uk

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 16:56

Now that the Greek Cypriots have shown their true colours and what they intend to try to do to expats who live in the TRNC, do you all intend to carry on supporting the RoC economy by doing your shopping over there and using their airports?



Dont forget that they are not intending only to target people who have bought in the TRNC but also people who have rented and tourists who they say trespass in their hotels.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 17:15

they really believe they did nothing wrong , they call us oinks and carpet baggers , still its better than being murderers .

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 17:32

No more shopping for me in the South and I never used Larnaca anyway!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 17:36

Buy local, fly local, stay local.

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 17:50

Nice to see it back!



As always - you don't know what you've got till its gone



I prefered North Cyprus Free Press - couldn't look at that absurd reasoning on the 'otherside' forums!



Give Mal and co a look from time to time - it's worthwhile if only to see that the stereotypical GC propaganda is alive and well



http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com



My main point is this:



Okay, the Oramses have lost. The TRNC government has not done itself any favours by its lack of having a plan B. However, "POSSESSION IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN 9/10THS OF THE LAW".



Mr A has won his case - but I do not anticipate him coming to Lapta anytime soon to have a G&T (Gin and Tonic NOT Greeks and Turks) on 'his' land!



The eventual outcome will be a 'POLITICAL SOLUTION' - however, what struck me about the vaious GC responses was their total focus on 'land & property' and NOTHING about PEACE, SECURITY & RECONCILIATION!



I guess that will tell you all you need to know about the GCs.

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 17:57

If you are an EU citizen with property in the EU (whether expat or TC) you can take action now to protect your assets in the EU. A trust or some other form of disposal may help you.



If you are an EU citizen but with no assets in the EU - there is no reaon to worry at all - until a settlement is reached and the outcome is known.



Even take the case of Oramses. If they take reasonable steps to implement the judgement and the TRNC refuses to dmolish the villa or hand back the land to Mr A - & at the sametime offers Mr A a solution via the IPC - what will the UK courts do then?



Although we cannot say for certain - it is likely that having taken all reasonable steps to implement the judgement of the ROC courts - the UK courts will not hold the Oramses in 'contempt of court'.



In which case - what has the judgement achieved for Mr A? Some rent, damages, publicity but NOT "his" land.



POSSESSION IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN 9/10THS OF THE LAW!



The staus quo will be kept.



Cont'd

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 18:05

The main purpose of this action was threefold:



1. To put pressure on the TRNC at the negotiating table.



2. To weaken the already fragile TRNC economy by creating 'fear'.



3. To get publicity for the GC narrative on the Cyprus Prollem.



To a greater or lesser extent they will have succeeded on all three counts - BUT ONLY IN THE SHORT TERM!



In the medium to long term - they may well have scuppered any chance of peace and reconciliation for some years ahead and increased the likelihood of the TCs now wanting out of the settlement process.



As far as the prooperty market is concerned - in the short run there will be a negative impact. In the medium term the 'uncertainty and risk' will be factored in to the price and the market will return to some kind of equilibrium.



The TRNC can once the talks have failed - start to look at recognition from OIC (organisation of Islamic Countries) and already Syria and Qatar have indicated they would do this.



It will ...



Cont'd...

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 18:12

Mover Msg 14 did you not try TRNCVilla Owners it is one of the oldest bb's if ever we lose C44 again it is worth a look. It is to be found at:-

http://www.phpbb88.com/trncvillaowners/index.php?mforum=trncvillaowners



Join them now and you have a reserve.

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 18:14

The dust will settle and in time - a solution will emerge.



It should be expected that the GC will take more and more high profile cases to the courts - but each case has its own process and will take time and effort on the parts of the GC.



If they win these cases, the question of enforcement will be exactly as above i.e. Oramses. Unless the TRNC accepts these judgements it is unlikely that the GC will get any satisfaction.



Finally, this is a thought to ease some fears. It is not just expats who have been targeted but also TCs with property in the EU.



Some say that 80% of the land and property around Girne was or is GC land. Let's assume this is true. At present some 80% of people living in and around Girne are TCs - can you see the GCs pushing out tens of thousands of TCs whilst a line of GCs come from the south to occupy the land / property? Unlikely at best.



The solution will in the end be POLITICAL - based on peace, security & reconciliation



Enjoy

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 18:18

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Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 18:20

Thanks IAH - I'll take a look at site

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 18:23

Thanks DC ) Will take that on board too