so whos selling and whos not?

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 20:44

i must admit im feeling a bit down with all the bad news about the orams and its crossed my mind to say "sod it " and sell our place , even if i took a 50% loss , anyone feeling like me?



andy

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 20:48

Not me mate no one would buy it,

Paul.

kathy88


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 39

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 20:52

hi andy dont do it !! i have lived here 20 years and this kind of crapo has bin going on for as long as i have lived here dont worry it will blow over ! x

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 20:54

RE msg 1: NO, I don't feel like you at all. And I think that posts like yours make more people sad and down. Does it help you to feel better to read the positive answers to your negative question? In my opinion it's called defeatism.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 20:55

Its no good worrying about something you cant do owt about, it will only lead to stress and your health is the most important thing so stop worrying and enjoy yourself because your along time dead.



Cooper

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:01

the orams , sadly are a one off , keep your pecker up mate ,like cooper says enjoy .

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:05

I agree with Rowlo no point in worrying about what might never happen

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:08

andy

keep your head up mate.

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:12

thanks clay and rest , susan would slit my throat if she new i had posted this , she loves NC so much and our appartment is our second home , just feeling pissed with it all i suppose.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:15

You must be very fortunate to be able to take 50% and cut and run, maybe you should spare a thought for the many people not in that position.Are you just scaremongering to cause a panic,that is just what the G.Gs want.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:20

I dont think he is, he's just not got the nick nack paddywack

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:21

Cheer up Andy .. Just book your flights into Ercan ..

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:23

Andy,

Come on yer big girls blouse get yer heed on pal,

Paul.

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:48

harry we booked flights into ercan for may and we booked for three weeks in july/aug also into ercan so you better get the efes in mate , paul i would feel a bit more comfortable if the TRNC government would make a statement one way or the other.



great result for the mighty last night mate



andy

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:50

andy might see you in may for a session if you fancy it.just down the road from you.gaz

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:54

Must admit though even though i had a good idea what the outcome was going to be.It still came as a shock to me when i heard that the ruling had gone against them.Seems to me like they (Orams) have been used as Guinea Pigs.Chin up Andy,

Paul.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:56

22nd of April hope they let me through Metehan,

Paul.

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:56

Still in the fridge from New Year but you didn't show .. Nearly opened one on Wed when we beat Wigan ..

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:56

andy we have all felt very low this last week. we have felt the pain for these two and worried about our futures. i was given a quote from a lovely customer and he said liz keep the faith. we all have to do that now. i think there is a lot going on behind the scenes , they have just announced the new election canidiate etc. We know here that this case is first and foremost on thier minds. They feel let down and are trying to find the correct way around it. This will not go away they already said they will not allow bulldozers or greeks to bring bulldozers. You stick to those flights love and enjoy what you have here. xxx

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:56

to right gaz , send me a e-mail andyaerial@blueyonder.co.uk so we can exchange numbers





andy

rowan


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:58

well we are certainly not going to sell up and go, why should we, we are happy here and are not going to play

into the hands of those people who would be very happy to see thousands of us doing just that. Let us just sit it out, to try to sue each and every one would be an impossible task and totally unrealistic, so, come on, most of us like our lives here so lets just get on with it. The Orams were unlucky enough to be political pawns and I feel very sorry for them, someone chose them to make an example of them but it does not mean it will happen to every one else and I dont think I am burying my head in the sand, just being realistic . Where are you, British Bulldogs? We dont turn and run at the first sign of trouble!!!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 21:59

Andy, keep cool - I feel there's going to be some more twists and turns in this matter.

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 22:15

andy,email you tomoz.andy they will carry us out in wooden boxes mate,before they take what belongs to us.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 22:20

heard that a few below price offers are being offered for property so there are a few keen buyers out there who are in the know and are hoping for a killing Mmmmmmmmmmm interesting .

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 22:26

Pipie,

I have just bought Girne.Got a really good price as well,

Paul.

walkerscott


Joined: 13/08/2009
Posts: 901

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 22:49

I've been looking to buy this last year and was only willing to buy pre-74 and exchange but now it will only be pre-74 property.



If a really great sea view apartment with exchange deeds came up for £20k then i would risk it but only because that is all i would be willing to lose!



If owners of anything other than genuine pre-74 property haven't any assets in the EU then there is not much to worry about. Private pensions are classed as assets.



The TRNC government should really guarantee all property deeds to negate any further worry for current owners. Other than that i wish everyone much peace and enjoyment in NC.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 22:52

you cant have bought it all newlad , ive just got the deeds to the harbour , or was i lied to ?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 23:04

Bugger,

That makes two of us Rowlo,

Paul.

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 23:04

If people panic and sell, it brings the value of property to an even lower ebb, and what do y ou gain? Anyone selling and losing money must be in a financial position to do so, - so why not hang on and wait. If you enjoy being here, then continue to come. Do you really think the world will stand by and do nothing and that we all lose everything? Have a bit more faith.

Reading those awful vitreolic swritings on Cyprus-Forum, they will think they have won if people panic and sell up.

But maybe a lot depends on WHY you have propertyhere, and what this place means. If it is a home in the sun tobe enjoyed form time totime, then that is one thing, but if it is you r home and your , then that is another.

In spite of all the doom and gloom there are FAR worse places to be. How many have such a low crime rate as here; how many have all those days of sunshine; how many have the hospitality which warms your heart (south London has lost it, mate, I can tell yer!); how many places offer the

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 23:07

/cont... 'the beauty of sun, sea, mountain at no charge, and no grey skies - and don't forget the panoply of stars above you. Just look at the stars and don't see the mud somepeople are trying to stir up. And , as they say 'don't let the buggars get you down'



Of course if I won the Lottery I would go and get my house somewhere else for different reasons, but I would keep this one to let others enjoy it within my family and friends. And although I don't have assets inU.K - I could be vulnerable cos they keep moving rthe goal posts on who will be sued for what.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 23:10

newlad well done !!! seems that if sellers are prepared to accept offers there are certainly buyers out there. Also the viewing trips seem to be going ahead !!!!

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
28/01/2010 23:48

only bought 2 years ago and would not sell in a thousand years ! only wish i could get over more often which i plan to do in years to come, its about time the mr Talat laid it on the line "Leave it or i walk i will give you a week to think about it" !

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 00:34

I certainly would not sell up....



the orams may have lost, but they have a house still that has not been bulldozed, who is gonna enforce that, who is gonna let it happen.....

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 00:39

Agree billyboy1 does not look like itis gonna happen either !!!!

norths4me


Joined: 19/04/2007
Posts: 269

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 00:51

No way am I even thinking of selling. It's the best thng I've ever bought.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 01:25

The Orams still have their property and the threat of them losing it is from outside the TRNC. You are all overlooking the dilemma of all the people who have bought their properties, especially in Ozankoy just to mention one place, where an unscrupulous builder mortgages land that people have paid for and are now being told they are to be auctioned off to pay the builders debts and they might receive a pittance if they are lucky or they can buy them back again, money cow syndrome springs to mind! these are the people you should be feeling sorry for. Their threat comes from within the TRNC. Spare a long thought for them.

scootex



Joined: 03/03/2009
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 01:48

HI All we are in the UK now have been since Sunday last but with no C44 have not been able to keep up with whats going on .Anyway I just spoke to my brief (message 25) and he tells me that private pensions are not classed as assets .If any body wants out of TRNC and wants to put their property in part ex for one in UK Chepstow area I would be willing to do a deal as long as I can draw enough cash to repay my UK mortgage so any body who wants a nice detatched 4 bed house in a quiet cul-de-sac 100 yds from Caldicot Castle country park and 4 miles from the Ryder cup 2010 golf course, with guaranteed bad weather for most of the year but no real crime problems in this area but you would still have to live with the bin culture of 4 different waste bins per household, along with loads of other beurocrassy that is now prevelant in the UK.

wht not give me a ring I,m back on Monday 05338711176 or leave a post on here for me

Phil

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 02:20

Seems to me that some people miss the point that their property is in the TRNC, so it doesn't matter what any GC court says no one can touch it, if your that worried about property in the UK, put it in the Kids names.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 07:50

Not a hope of leaving here, this really is home for us.



Often get the downers because of all the c*** trying to get home finished but then we look out at the view, go to our local shop or restaurant and get reminded of what a great place this is.



I do feel for people like Liz who put their lives into business and because of circumstances totally out of their control they are having a really bad time. I can offer no help there unless every one went to every bar/ restaurant in trouble every day.



As for those thinking of selling, please do not, you stand to loose so much. Certainly do not make any early decision.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 08:46

Selling ! no , not a chance in hell .

Simbas

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 08:53

what's all the panic about, have I missed something?



Tony

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 09:18

I think it has something to do with peoples personal responses to the Orams outcome Minertor

Simbas

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 10:56

Hell would freeze over first before we would sell. Sell up and go where certainly not back to the UK.?????



I am here to stay



Chris

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 11:43

minertor



"what's all the panic about, have I missed something? "





Yes ,most of the second half of January.

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 11:52

Sell up - no way! This is now out home, ok we've bank accounts in UK and family but are thinking of moving what little there is over here - and as to the family they visit!! To wake up and see the sea, in whatever mood its in is a plus, and the people and the friends we've made. No way, we're sticking.

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 13:34

NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY - would never sell up as this is our home.



Aside from that, if you are thinking of selling because of recent events, the Oram's is an issolated case and everyone will see that in the months to come. The property market here is shot for no other reason than the world recession - just the same as the UK, Spain, Bulgaria, all of Europe infact, America, Dubai.

Once we get out of this world slump the market will pick up here with or without the Oram's verdict!



G

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 14:28

Re Msg 46: It might pick up, but I doubt in your lifetime matey,

Geoff

Pippie


Joined: 02/12/2009
Posts: 1288

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 14:59

I have a 2bed bungalow in the South with swimming pool - just finished if anyone wants to take it off my hands - e-mail me.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 15:27

Question

If one had a non EU relative,any problem with transferring title in their name?.

Sid447


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 15:32

[quote]have lived here 20 years and this kind of crapo has bin going on for as long as i have lived here dont worry it will blow over ![/unquote]



Sounds like the right attitude!

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 15:34

Things are not as bad as they seem, most peoples circumstances haven't changed at all since the orams case, and wont do either.



Demand for property is not high at the moment, but if you are considering selling you can advertise your villa on Lincguide for free to test the water so to speak...



http://www.lincguide.com/for-sale



To cheer you up it's snowing here in the UK at the moment!

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
29/01/2010 17:36

You have more chance of losing your home in the UK from mortgage default than losing it to a GC here in the TRNC.

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 10:41

Re Msg 52: Correct! It is your UK (or other EU country) assets they will go for, including any pensions (State or Private).

Geoff

Famagusta City

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 20:26

How can people say the Orams have not lost their house? They have to adhere to the court order OR their home/assets/pension in England will be seized. For every month they "trespass" on Mr A's property they will be charged £300 per month plus fined for illegal use. Hence the reason they have now put their furniture in storage and moved out.



Of course their TRNC home will not be demolished, because the Government won't allow it to be. But lets put this into perspective, they can never use it again, there is too much at stake. The loss of their family home in Hove for a start. They cannot, even if they wished, move to the TRNC and live here. Their assets will now be frozen and their future pension stopped should they do this. What will they live on?



I wonder if with everything they have been through, demolishing the house would allow closure on this whole sordid affair. Yet it seems they will still be at the whim of a government decision, once again.



Reality check, please.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 20:34

Does anyone know how the £300 per month figure was arrived at?

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 20:36

this could be a hornets nest , how many brits are sitting on tc land south side ??

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 20:39

well said troodo







musin



long live the kktc

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 20:49

They cannot, even if they wished, move to the TRNC and live here. Their assets will now be frozen and their future pension stopped should they do this. What will they live on?



The TRNC government will move them down the road to a safe house. Where does it say they can never live in the TRNC? Do you make this up as you go along?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 20:58

Troodo



Are you saying that the TRNC government are going to step in and give them a "house down the road"



Of course they can live in the TRNC. The point I am trying to make is that the verdict from this case has made it almost impossible for them to do so, unless they accept Hugh financial losses.



Their home and assets in Hove are worth more than their villa in the TRNC. Not to mention that it is where their emotional and family ties are. Which one would you forfeit under the terrible circumstances they have been put in?

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 22:10

They have stated several times that their UK home is worth half a million. Hardly penniless and homeless.

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 22:17

Just a thought Oleander. If the Orams have to findone and a half million pound to pay the costs of the case, plus back rental (on a plot of land worth nothing in 1974 and bought for £6,000), then their home in U.K worth half a million, is by my instant reckoning, only one third (or less) of the funds they have to find.



They would then be penniless, homeless and up to their eyeballs in debt. Wouldn't they.

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 22:27

On the brighter side

they will just have to throw themselves on the mercy of the state, free housing, benifits, winter fuel allowance free health care, and God forbids nil fees for nursing homes. "nil house to sell off"..



Makes you think!

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 22:31

Marie - haven't the TRNC 'Authorities' promised that they will not be left out of pocket?



Lots of guarantees have been given to ex pat Brit buyers by all sorts of people over the years. Be interesting to see how many of them stump up if they are called on.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 23:44

this case is not about the orams ,it,s about the greek cypriots carrying out their continued aggression on the turkish cypriots,very, very diplomatically.



the first thing that was announced by mr apostolites after the case was,we will not be going after the turkish cypriots ,only foreigners,well how convenient.



going by the amount of compensation that has been awarded ,my mums worth millions.



long live the kktc

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 23:52

Musin



"We will not be going after the TC only foreigners"



All changed since the win. See http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/documents/Press/CT230110_warning.html

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 23:53

Yes, it is true that the TRNC authorities have promised to help the Orams, and I firmly believe they will keep their word.



However, Musin M, Iknow Mr A said that he would NOT be going after the TC's - only 'foreigners' but I am not sure I believe it, especially with all this talk of sueing tourists for tresspass. There are those who think that if they feel it will help their cause the GC's will chase after anyone who they think is out of order.

If they are NOT going after TC's, why have they put many hotels on a list saying 'dont' go there, when they are run by TC's who would lose their income.



At the end of the day it has been stated that it is not so much the Orams, or tourists or anyone in particular, but the desire to destory the building trade, the tourist industry and anything that brings life blood into the economy of Northern Cyprus.



Rotten isn't it, especially when you think that the Orams are not to blame for completing a building that a Turkish Cyprito could not

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 00:07

how and why is mr Talat still at the negotiating table with people whos sole intent is to destroy tourism,building trade and all international faith in the TRNC.

denizkisi


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 196

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 00:08

If the ROC funded the ORAM case, I doubt very much that they will continue to do so with all and sundry. This was a political test case that they won. It won't affect (as much) people without assets in the uk, and those that have assets in the uk can address this via trusts, change of ownership on deeds etc etc. But what I don't like is the putting down of those that want to sell up and go elsewhere. Its like a mob mentality. But when truth be told its every man for himself. In this situation who will REALLY stand up for his neighbour or is it heads down?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 00:09

yes why xxxx

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 00:17

mAYBE mR tALAT IS still talking and negotiating because he wants the best for his people, and if he walked away now, the GC's would be laughing all the way to the EU and beyond. Surely Mr Talat must stick it out, because there culd be a ray of light there and it is his job to find it. The fact that some GC's have been doling all they can to destory, does not mean that Mr Christofias necessarily approves.



And as to putting down those who want to sell, I don't think anyone is - the main question is how moral is it to sell tosomeone who could be in a worse position that you are. We know the Estate Agents would not warn anyone off, they are struggling and they need to make a living . Yes, it is everyman for himself, but I sometimes think that is a great shame. The times that the Britishpeople have been closest to each other was in War times. Then it is everyman for everyone else. Maybe we have lost that, and this isn't war.

What we all need is a huge dose of patience to wait and

denizkisi


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 196

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 00:30

This isnt a war though, its people that have bought illegal cheap houses (in the eyes of the EU). And people that voice their worries are accused of poisonous posts!!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 18:24

bradus msg 65



this was said when they came out of court,ask yourself why this was said ,or do you think he loves the tc,s



and if you do know the answer i will applaud you.



all uk tc,s know why .



musin



long live the kktc

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 20:37

Can't sell....Won't sell.

This decision is a double edged sword. I would like to see some Turkish Cypriots take the same route against Greek Cypriot Southern "trespassers" with property in the UK.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 20:43

Message 4....Good Heavens....I find myself agreeing with DutchCrusader. Well said Hans ! You didn't mention the British once !

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
01/02/2010 00:06

Correct me if I am wrong but did I hear correctly that a if a TC is brought in front of a ROC court he has the right to have a TC judge on the panel. Is this why a non TC is an easier target.How would this work for a TC born and bred in an EU country,has he/she the same rights ?

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
01/02/2010 00:38

Interesting Barnacle Bill. I believe in the old days that was in the Constitution, but as the RoC gave all the TC judges the push in days gone by, I don't think there are any left over there, and they wouldn't accept anyone from here because they are judges in an illegal regime that doesn't exist. So, any TC wouldn't stand a chance.

Where a TC born and bred in an EU countrry can come unstuck is where they have a passport from that country, as London Cyps etc, so they can be persued through EU courts as the Orams.

Of course, none of this could ever have happend were the south NOT allowed in the E.U. Would thre EU ever have talked of 'illegal cheap houses' before. No? And they would have adopted the same attitude as was taken in U.K before when it was stated that any issues between north and south Cyhprus must be settled between them and U.K court cases were thrown out. Oh the damage done by the EU!!!!!!

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
01/02/2010 01:32

So really if you aint a GC you wont stand a chance in an ROC court against a GC making a case against you !