The "peace" and unification talks

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
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Message Posted:
30/01/2010 14:16

How many people out there have faith in Talat to come away with a just settlement, or will he sell everyone down the toilet just so he can claim to have brought about peace and unification.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 14:24

Topten. We still have a referendum to sort that out.

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
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Message Posted:
30/01/2010 18:22

Exactly. What are the sentiments of the Tukish Cypriots on this board or that you know personally? It seems to me a greater desire now to achieve a velvet divorce.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 18:32

Mr Talat clearly is now and again on the back foot.

The Orams case judgment has certainly strengthened the ROC position.

As Turkey continues to attain an improving position of strength in the Eastern Mediteranean. The support that the TRNC gets from Turkey is indeed a life saver for the Northern territory.

What will Turkey do? Is the desire to become part of EU paramount? The ROC clearly are members of that club and use that to full advantage.

I think that it will be Turkey and the UN that will soon start to talk about a solution whilst the natives are incapable of settlement.



The matter must be driven forward with vigour. Certainly the ROC strategies of embargo, isolation and persecution are to be condemned as a frustration to settlement talks and negotiations.



Please can the bigger international players get on with proposals for UN resolutions to force a settlement.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 18:35

Oh well is the start of the Big Guns getting involved?





http://www.brtk.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1876:ban-comes-to-cyprus-tomorrow&catid=5:kktc&Itemid=28

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 19:00

top ten

if talat really meant business ,he would of pulled out of the talks long ago ,peace talks, they should of named

it recreation talks ,because that,s what they are ,just games.

we will have too wait till talat goes to see what will happen.



waz247

turkey has been asked the question many times before ,the eu or kktc and time and time again she has

stated she will never give up the kktc even at the expense of the eu ,most of turkey believe they will never be a member,and i believe this is more than likely



kibrissibel

most tc,s now believe that a divorce is the only outcome,btw i did,nt realize you are sibel hodge ,i often read your articles in the londra,nice one.





musin

long live the kktc

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 19:37

Turkey has clearly stated the TRNC first, the EU second.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 23:22

a novel twist on "turkey giving up cyprus for the eu" and similar notions,

is that there is little possibility turkey would be offered membership of the eu anyway



as regards "what do turkish cypriots think about the talks"

...the ones I spoke with are extremely laid back about it all

and I cannot say with certainty the topic figures in their daily concerns



I think it is only the greek cypriot side together with, understandably, many expats

who have built up this long-winded talks thing to be more relevant than it really is

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 23:25

andre after all i have read post ormas case i think you have hit the nail on the head. we wait and see xxxxxxx

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/01/2010 23:32

RE msg 8, andre 514: (...) there is little possibility turkey would be offered membership of the eu anyway (...)

=> Exactly. Read the leading Western European papers and you'll understand with flashing speed that the Christian Democrats (still having a dominating grip on politics and daily life) just DON'T WANT TO INVITE MOSLEM TURKEY to the party. The fear of Turkey (economics) and the Turks (religion) may be hidden behind friendly faces, but the truth is clear.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 00:33

As a T/C regarding the debate on reunification these are my thoughts and are a repeat of what İ have already posted on other treads for anyone who has not read. I would like to say that the T/C community do understand the realities and the bias that has been displayed to us and Turkey with regards some member states of the the EU. My personally opinion as a T/C as I have said before is; During these negotiations there seems to be only one alternative being pushed forward you must both reach agreement and join the EU and live happilly ever after all and all with this undertone of blackmail. That if there is no agreement the TRNC will colapse into the sea of oblivean with no hope of future prosperity for our future generations. This is a foreign perspective unrelatable to the present consensus of the people on both sides as recents polls are showing hardliners views are becoming more prevelent with their ante reunification retoric.

Con..

winslow


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Posts: 332

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 00:34

Much of their claims regarding the inability to reach a consensus regarding the negotiations are being borne out. İ respect some of the arguments put forward regards the benefits of EU membership. But we are two peoples with seperate cultures and historical backgrounds. No matter however you try to gloss it over we cannot reside together and share power ethnic partisanisam would prevail at all levels on both sides no matter how many checks and balances were implemented. Trying to create Cyproutopia by these two men from the same political background ‘do not a nation make’. There are alternatives there is not just this one way, one measure just this one final chance? A Velvet divorce two Soveriegn States Taiwanisation etc..

I do feel they have fallen behind the times and are not considering what the people now seem to want. There was a reason why people on this side voted against Talats government it was not just economics. There was a reason we voted 'hardline nationalists.

Con.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 00:35

and that was simply that not everybody desires reunification and not everybody feels or cares about this sense of urgency on both sides and the Annan plan is still a sore point not just for our side but also the ROC.

The other alternatives and views should be disucssed more openly within this context by the politicans and I believe there would be a feeling of relief on both sides. We have been negoiating for years and it always ends in tears. İts just to difficult sadly there’s just to much bad blood. İ know İm not the only one and it is not acceptable to portray those opposing it to be made out to be fighting democracy we are not. True democracy is the will and desire of the majority of the people and not the desire of the few who I hope do not want their own aspirations to succeed for their own political and personal goals.



Winslow.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 00:40

Con...

And Just to reiterate my point for all read this...



http://www.euronews.net/2010/01/30/erdogan-deflects-reform-criticism-questions-eu-honesty/



Winslow.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 00:47

winslow you have made me feel so sad. Reading this from your heart. As an irish person gone through much the same, ii feel for you all. i have to agree i always thought the same as you. I just hope whatever happens will bring relief to all of you.we wait xxxxxxxx

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 08:52

Winslow, Short, Sweet and certainly to the point. One of the best posts I have read on the Cyprus problem.

I bow to you, well done! Everyone should read it...

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 10:25

Winslow: 'Democracy' should be 'the will of the majority' - but that has never practically worked in all of Cyprus and, it is all too apparent, never will!

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 12:14

MSG thank you Lilli and the rest for your comments.

Liİİi İ have to say that I was overjoyed when the good Friday peace process came about in Northern Ireland it was a tremendous achievment ending bloodshed and suffering. İ remember the the dark days which destroyed so many inocent lives. As I said cultural partisanisam never goes away look after all these years partisanisam is begining to arise in certain spheres and creating difficulties in Northern Ireland.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8479035.stm

While this is part of socital evoloution Northern Ireland has a volatile dimension regarding the para military forces that are subdued at present and (have not gone away) if I may also say. I doubt very much that it will ever revert back as peace has taken a firm grip. Hopefully they will find a solution for the future generations so that the dark days never return.

Con..

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 12:15

Con..

The difference with Northern Ireland is that there were two communities living side by side within Northern İreland. Here peace has taken a hold and evolved as two peoples living separately to undermine this status quo with some form of externally engineered reunification is uncharted territory. The situation of peace is not broken so why do we need to fix it... this is so important. Tinkinering by the political elite for whatever reason and there are many is a dangerous game that really needs thought after 35 years. I feel it would be so difficult for our peoples on both sides to accept laws and legislation imposed by either side as everyone must be realistic and know that there will always be a bias to each and their own. Not to mention that I cannot for the life of me believe that any G/C or T/C would ever take orders from allternative presidents with a heartfelt commitment viewing all cypriots as brothers and comarades as we are neither.

Con..

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 12:17

İt is not politicans that will be in the physical firing line while they sit in brussels or beat a speedy retreat somewhere while the inocent on both sides will be left to face the consequences if imposed reunification colaspses from the centre if the old animosities rear their ugly heads. I myself feel safer knowing İ am living in the TRNC seperately governed by my own peoples even with its problems. İt to me is far better than being governed by our sworn enemies who deep down hate us. Whom İ have no doubt and believe over time from the centre will attempt to hellonis the whole Island once we are in the EU if it comes to that. There will be no turning back as the ROC are already established within. They will use all the means at their disposal and if we as T/C have reservations we will be told you signed for this like it or lump it.

Winslow.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 12:37

It was Ban Ki-moon, the UN Secretary General on his way here tomorrow, who was told off for calling Cyprus "two countries"? I think that is what is still in his mind and that's what he'll be saying. It's either two united countries or one divided one.

jacktheladett


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 528

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 12:41

Winslow, it's good to read your comments, thanks for taking the time to enlighten us.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 17:50

well put winslow ,my sentiments exactly,the one thing i as a turkish cypriot feel is that there seems to be no one there for us ,except turkey ,even when we agree a settlement we get kicked in the teeth,no one wants to

listen ,it,s just the gc,s this the gc,s that ,the poor gc,s have had too put up with this and they have lost that.

well when it becomes so one sided even the best marriages end up in the divorce courts ,so lets all sign on the dotted line and get on with it.



musin



long live the kktc

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 18:47

Well said Winslow, my sentiments exactly.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 21:44

again little taiwan pops up as a shining example of prosperity and de facto acceptance

well, not quite!

it too has a very powerful neighbour (china) but who is unfriendly and threatening

indeed china's parliament voted to take over poor taiwan and they are deadly serious,

hence all the hoo-ha about the us supplying minesweeepers recently



north cyprus on the other hand while restricted economically it is sad to say,

is safe in the support of its powerful neighbour, nato founder-member turkey,

and somehow it hasn't faced impending bancruptcy quite yet...



no, that is the possible fate of, er, spendthrift eu-member greece

who have somehow got into a debt situation far worse than our own dear gordon



and can I say that north cyprus has great spirit that will see it through

and with turkey will build a network of new partnerships outside paris and the eu

...providing it doesn't choose a fate that is "out of the frying pan into the fire"

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
31/01/2010 22:02

oh, and amidst all the backbiting about turkey's eu application

let it not be forgetton that turkey has a valuable free-trade agreement with europe

...and business is booming!



while the tourist industry in north cyprus will no doubt take yet another hit

nearly everyone I speak with in britain thinks north cyprus a wonderful place to visit

and this will grow and grow regardless