The Irish are really Turks!!!!!

dublinderm


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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 16:06

A newly released study by the University of Leicester has found that the mitochondrial DNA of Irish males is more closely related to those of males of Anatolian origin than any other.



It appears that neolithic females considered the plough to have been the Ferrari of those days and ditched their hunter gatherer men for the new farmer boys with their big implements. Over the centuries central Europe, Iberia and Britain were colonized by groups of northern or southern origin leaving Ireland and Turkey isolated at each end.



The Young Turk movement of the early twentieth century believed in the philosophy of pan-Tumanism. This included the Turkomen people of western China and Turkmenistan, the Finns, and very curiously the Irish. Maybe they knew more than we did.



So watch out you GC's I will be over to reclaim my birthright that was no doubt taken from my family during a Greek invasion of my original homeland.

racoonchic



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 16:42

i will join you for that or we could just go and service theyre wives

racoonchic



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 16:43

i will join you for that or we could just go and service theyre wives

elko2



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 17:19

In those days Turks were living in the far east, somehwere around China and Mongolia. Sorry six M but you are not my cousin

ismet

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 17:57

RE Ismet: No. They originated in Central Asia. They were called Seljuk (many spellings possible and allowed) Turks. Their biggest victory during their conquest, direction West: the batlle of Manzikert (August 26, 1071), where they beat a huge Byzantine army - Byzantium never recovered from this blow. And eventually it triggered the start of the First Crusade (1095/6). They are regarded (by some) as the cultural ancestors of the Western (Ottoman) Turks – the present-day inhabitants of Azerbaijan, Turkey, and Turkmenistan (and surroundings).

racoonchic



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 18:21

dc you never cease to amaze .your knowledge knows no bounds and for once i found this very informative thank you

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 18:26

RE msg 6, racoonchic: Sorry to have you made read my post and maybe even made you think?

racoonchic



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 18:34

meesage 7 im always thinking but my wife says this is not a good idea

dublinderm


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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 18:50

So if I understand DC correctly, the Turks invaded Turkey and dispossessed the people who were already living there?



Jayzus! I hope Apostolides doesn't find out!

sienna


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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 18:58

well the Irish Rugby boys on tv look nothing like Turks to me !!! lovely big thighs though Hmmmmm

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 19:12

RE msg 9, dublin (Oh, sweet memories) derm: No. The Seljuk Turks invaded what we now call Turkey, but at the time it was part of Byzantium (the Byzantine Empire) - where people spoke - errm... - Greek.

elko2



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 21:39

Hans,

Message 1 refers to neolithic females which I thought dates well back before 1071. I don't really know but somehow I thought periods like neolithic, paleolithic, stone age and so on refers to very old times but of course you know better when it comes to history.

ismet

girne 29


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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 21:46

They arent Turks, they are of Macedonian stock mixed with Sottish blood. Have you not seen 'Alexander' and 'Braveheart'

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
06/02/2010 21:53

Ah, Ismet! Smart! But there is not a shred of evidence about the origins of the Seljuk Turks (most probably you are an impure descendant!) other than Central Asia. Anyway, tomorrow will be spent in my beloved 'never conquered' town.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
07/02/2010 00:09

Have a good day Hans and please find out if im related to a turk, may save on permits xxxxxxx

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
07/02/2010 03:14

Interesting and yummy theory relative to the Irish.

The early years of pirates, slave trade and the way the wind blows.



Even prevoius glacier movements and the creation of man.



University Leicester study interests me in terms of the plough and the typical fella that would use one.



From my experience and close family linked heritage. Language Gaelic, Irish , English or Eastern European may not be significant.



Size of hands or hair colour indeed the type of tweed one wears.



More significant therefore and perhaps a point of interest for future study of such a learned institution, my notices of study and origin -

1. Eye Colour

2. Size of Cocks

Happy Hussar


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Message Posted:
07/02/2010 10:00

During the Irish potato famine the then Turkish Sultan dispatched ships laden with food ( potatoes) to help the starving Irish. They were unloaded at Droughda north of Dublin. The town crest today sports the crescent symbol in recognition.

No other nation helped during this famine. Well done our 'Turkish Brothers' !!

Tony

Happy Hussar


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Message Posted:
07/02/2010 10:37

By the way, you can read all about it by typing in 'The Irish Famine and the Ottomans' on your search engine.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
07/02/2010 12:14

the irish are really turks ....they are in my household.







musin



long live the kktc ,and for the mrs ,long live ireland

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
07/02/2010 12:26

O M G



Whatever next ?



Ah well, Ismet ..this goes a long way to explain our 'relationship' over the years..



'Dad', your 'prodigal son' is coming 'home' ;)

Happy Hussar


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Message Posted:
08/02/2010 10:16

6ms

I thought you were an 'Ulsterman'. If so, do you have any Irish blood in you?

Tony

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/02/2010 12:55

Dear HH,



My Dad's side are 'proddies' originally from co Longford. My Granddad was born when Ireland was still part of the UK and died in the north ..



We couldn't cremate him until we got a birth Cert from Dublin.. shades of Spike Milligan's 'Puckoon'



I have an Oirish and Brit passport ;)

Happy Hussar


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Message Posted:
08/02/2010 13:50

So do I old son! By the way, the Oirish one is free if you are over 60.

Tony

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/02/2010 13:51

Well I will be glad of that info in 10 years time ;)

dublinderm


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Message Posted:
08/02/2010 14:02

Standard irish Passport valid for 10 years ages 18 - 64 = €80.



Standard Passport free to all aged 65 or over.



Standard UK passport £77.50. Free to those born before 29 September 1929 (ie over 80).

Happy Hussar


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Message Posted:
08/02/2010 14:44

Well there you go, I stand corrected.

Tony

dublinderm


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Message Posted:
08/02/2010 14:46

For full information on stuff for Irish citizens see;



http://www.gov.ie



or passport;



http://www.dfa.ie

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
08/02/2010 17:41

Not my knowledge, the unreliable Wikapedia says:





The question of to what extent a gene flow from Central Asia, via Persia, to Anatolia has contributed to the current gene pool of the Turkish people, and the role of the 11th century invasion by Seljuk Turks, has been the subject of several studies. It is concluded that aboriginal Anatolian groups may have given rise to the present-day Turkish population. DNA analysis research studies suggest that the Anatolians do not significantly differ from other Mediterraneans, indicating that while the Seljuk Turks carried out a permanent territorial conquest with strong cultural, linguistic and religious significance, it is barely genetically detectable



Harold

Troodo


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Message Posted:
08/02/2010 17:51

Thats good, but don't tell the GC's that the Irish are coming to man the green line. Second thoughts tell them that Irish are akin to Turks and watch the feathers fly.

dublinderm


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Message Posted:
08/02/2010 21:38

Re msg 29



The irish have already done their time on the green line. Irish Defence Forces contributed to UNFICYP from 1964 to 2004. I did my own stint from July 1997 to October 1998 - it was rough but somebody had to do it!



I gave my liver in the cause of peace!!!



Seriously, the Irish Govt follow the GC line on the 'problem' - occupied Northern territory and all that, etc, etc.



DD