problems in the south

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
07/02/2010 19:24

i have just been watching the news and only caught the end ,the greek cypriot government seems too be in some sort of crisis which is deepening .



has any else watched it and can someone enlighten me please.





musin

mikeyCBBR


Joined: 05/01/2009
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
07/02/2010 19:28

you have missed loads of news then the greek goverment are almost bankrupt

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
07/02/2010 19:33

UNCERTAINTY REIGNS over the future of the government coalition with the domestic political front showing signs of disarray in the wake of the UN Secretary-General’s visit and the conclusion of the intensified negotiations.

Following President Demetris Christofias’ briefing of the National Council on Friday, rumblings are once again being heard among government partners DIKO and EDEK regarding their potential departure from the coalition. Despite informing party leaders of the areas where convergence had been found, the president was only able to win the backing of his own party AKEL regarding his handling of the talks, with even pro-solution DISY keeping a distance.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
07/02/2010 19:34

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
07/02/2010 19:38

thanx guys









musin





long live the kktc

jimmy


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 251

Message Posted:
08/02/2010 19:39

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00qpkdq





fast forward to 1hr 43 mins -

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
08/02/2010 20:37

Sounds like they need to raise collateral and in a hurry, maybe they would like to sell us their land rights in the north and give up their stupid posturing in the courts which is going to get them no where in a hurry.

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
08/02/2010 20:46

Yes, but this is all about "Greece" not Southern Cyprus, ROC, Greek Cyp's, Or as 6xm's calls it the "rump".

Tootie

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
08/02/2010 21:13

Cyprus is Greek according to Apoel fans,

Paul.

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
08/02/2010 21:14

good.



Measey.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 11:07

Msg for Musin

Socialist party EDEK quit Cyprus' coalition government on Monday over its disagreement with the president's handling of slow-moving talks aimed at reunifying the divided island.

The party's executive committee voted to pull out of the coalition amid criticism that the island's Greek Cypriot President Dimitris Christofias is following a "mistaken strategy" and has made "unacceptable" concessions in negotiations with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat.



"The limits have been reached. The course we are following is mistaken," said EDEK leader Yiannakis Omirou. "The disagreement with the president's strategy on the Cyprus issue is now complete."



The party's exit will not trigger new elections under Cyprus' presidential system of government. But it does signal growing disillusionment with peace talks that have carried on for 17 months with only marginal progress.



CON...

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 11:08

Con..

Cyprus was split into an internationally-recognized Greek Cypriot south and a breakaway Turkish Cypriot north 1974 when Turkey invaded after a coup by supporters union with Greece.



Despite its socialist ideological grounding, EDEK _ which garnered around 9 percent of the vote in 2006 parliamentary elections _ has traditionally espoused hawkish views on reunification efforts.



EDEK chiefly opposes Christofias' proposal for an alternating presidency with the minority Turkish Cypriots under an envisioned federation and to allow thousands of mailand Turks who settled in the north after the war to remain on the island under a peace accord.



Although negotiations are being conducted on the basis of "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed," any deal hammered out by Christofias and Talat will be put to simultaneous referendums in both communities.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 11:11

Con...

EDEK's decision comes as a blow to Christofias who _ despite still high public approval ratings _ has been under mounting pressure from EDEK and fellow coalition partner, center-right DIKO, to adopt a tougher negotiating stance.



Opinion polls show most Cypriots on both sides of the divide believe this round of talks will share the same fate as numerous other failed rounds over the past 35 years.



Talat faces his own troubles as opinion polls show him trailing hardline rival Dervis Eroglu ahead of an April 18 election.



EDEK's two ministers in the 10-member cabinet will be replaced in a reshuffle.

Winslow says ...recent press release we shall see how this affects the process in the comming weeks...

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 11:27

Winslow,

Hasnt it always been the case that there would be a referendum anyway,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/02/2010 11:41

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/government-coalition-unravelling/20100207



Winslow.I believe this is the piece,

Paul.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 11:52

Msg Newlad

Yes this is true.. but as politicans they may try to bypass that anything is possible as they are clinging on now for dear life ....No date has even been set for further meetings.

..İ have mentioned in another post.

''True democracy is the will and desire of the majority of the people and not the desire of the few who want their aspirations to succeed for there own political and personal goals''.



There are so many differing senarios possible now we must wait and see. Yesterdays decision İ feel has strenghten our postions as the inate resentments of the south are being exposed at present. Our recentments will also come to the fore when it looks increasingly likely Eroglu will be elected in April unless Talat can pull a rabbit out of the hat. But yesterdays decision means he will struggle to find the hat... never mind the rabbit...

Winslow.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 11:54

http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/link.asp?twindow=Default&smenu=69&sdetail=10145&mad=No&wpage=&skeyword=&sidate=



More evidence of the split,

Paul.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 12:00

Winslow,

I think Turkey joining the e.u. is now and always has been a pipe dream.Eroglu will win the April election and take a more hard line view of the situation.The referendum will come back with a no vote.And Northern Cyprus will be classed as a Turkish Cypriot state,

Paul.

Activator


Joined: 23/12/2009
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 12:18

They say you shouldn't get enjoyment out of others misery. Why not? it's about time the crooked greek administration got their cummupance. They lied to get into the EU-fact. They lied about their finances and cooked the books-fact. They have GDP running at 113% so are having to borrow at 7% from the world banks. From what I have read the greeks should never have been in the EU in the first place and was a mistake, now it will cost the rest of the EU a fortune and the EU regret their entry. I understand that they won't kick them out which is a pity but at least the cat is out of the bag. Abta telling them to cut prices to increase tourism, shops closing,strikes. How long before South cyprus goes the same way? sell cyprus back to Britain. Now there's a thought.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 12:22

Activator,

I think Britain has enough problems of its own without taking on the problems of a lame dog,

Paul.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 12:28

Msg Newlad

Whatever senario transpires Newlad as long as we have rule over our own peoples... thats all İ want good or bad with all our own failıngs we must control our own destiny. İts better than the south and some centralised EU .... Who put ridiculous notions in place that it has to be EU.. EU... EU... These are the views of foreingn influences outside of Cyprus or now a minority within with there own aspirations. İf the EU were really commited to the T/C in 2004 we would have been in. İt they could of crossed each bridge as they came to it ...just like the Lisbon treaty.

Winslow.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 12:47

re msg 18 Newlad



>>I think Turkey joining the e.u. is now and always has been a pipe dream.Eroglu will win the April election and take a more hard line view of the situation.The referendum will come back with a no vote.And Northern Cyprus will be classed as a Turkish Cypriot state, <<



Paul



I beg to differ.. Mr E ( should he win ) will - like Mr D - have to do what Turkey wishes.. whether truly seeking EU membership, or not, Turkey cannot continue to fund 'TRNC' as it has and especially if costly property settlements are the order of the day.



A negotiated settlement is the preferred option.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 13:04

MMMMM

Yes a settlement aslong as we control our own destiny as Turks be it via Turkey or ourselves...We will take no lectures from outside influences...

Winslow.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 13:14

mmmmmm/Winslow,

Can you honestly see Turkey joining the christian club.They would have so many votes the other members would see it as totally unacceptable,

Paul.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 13:20

Mark,

Surely Eroglu is a nailed on certainty to win the April election.And Turkey will not be joining the e.u. put that in a cross bet and double and you wouldnt get very good odds.



Eroglu to win the election 1/2



Turkey not to join the e.u. 1/2,

Paul.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 13:34

Newlad

Rephase ...will a christian club as it has been dubbed allow a muslim nation to join. We are not in control of entry.... it is up to member states...

Winslow.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 14:43

Winslow,

Take your point.But at the end of the day i cannot see the member states allowing it to happen.Turkey is a huge country so therefore if accepted would have more votes wouldnt it.Or have i got it wrong,

Paul.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 16:02

Newlad

29 votes: France Germany Italy and the United Kingdom

27 : Spain and Poland

14 : Romania

13 : The Netherlands

12 : Belgium, the Czech Republic Greece Hungary and Portugal

10 : Austria, Bulgaria and Sweden

7 : Denmark, Finland Ireland, Lithuania, and Slovakia

4 : Cyprus Estonia Latvia, Luxembourg and Slovenia

3 : Malta

The Treaty of Lisbon from 1 Nov 2014 in most cases will double to majority Qualified Voting, changing the system. Decisions made will be taken by 55% of states representing 65% of the EU's population.

Where this leaves Turkey with 71 million by then if it Turkey is allowed in with its growing population. Yes a big player. But lets face it... currently no chance but things change. Especially if Turkey realises its dream of becoming the energy transit and hub of the region. Europe may reconsider its postion and do the spin bit to voters.

İts secularists roots are attractive more than fundamentalist muslim traditions of others. Energblackmail

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 18:27

Secularism in Turkey will only 'survive' as long as there's a military dictatorship. However, the EU don't want to be inundated with poverty-stricken work-seekers, who would mainly emanate from the Muslim community.



The big question is: 'If Turkey is dealing with the Azeris, then why the necessity to 'climb into bed' with Russia?'



Back in TRNC: Will TRNC return Guzelyurt and Maras to the RoC?



I can't remember the name of the complex of 6000 apts on the main Girne/Lefkosa 'motorway', but (allegedly) these have been built with the intention to re-house the population of Guzelyurt.



Meanwhile, Turkey has been withdrawing troops from Maras.



Something is 'cooking'!



Maybe 6m's will kindly oblige with his rhetoric !?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 18:32

Is this the complex being built by Ozyalcin?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 18:44

Thank you Winslow, your knowledge surpasses me and put in a way even I can understand it. many thanks xx

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 20:34

winslow msg 11



thanx for taking the time to bring me up to speed.







musin



long live the kktc

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 20:48

Winslow,

Post 28 is very infomative.Hypethetically, and we all know it wont happen.How many votes would Turkey have if they where accepted into the "christian club"

Paul.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 20:52

Whoever wins the elections in the north be it talat or eroglu if they have any sense and hold their nerve they can keep the upper hand in all of this because the GC political party hardliners are doing a pretty darned good job all by themselves of showing the world that it is THEY that do not want a solution to the cyprob.



As I said, Talat or Eroglu just need to keep calm and play the waiting game keeping firm but not excessive on their own stance and the GC's will balls it all up anyway. What then will the rest of the world do when they see that yet again its the GC intransigence thats holding up reunification.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 21:03

Unfortunateley millzer they will be bailled out again,

Paul.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
09/02/2010 21:19

Probably Paul, but after 2004 if the GC's balls it up again then surely to god the international community must then finally realise its a lost cause.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
10/02/2010 12:01

Msg Lilli

Thank you Lilli pleased you understand İ will try and keep things easy to understand. These are only my views and can be wrong but if they offer you a differing prespective and are helpful İ am delighted.



Msg Newlad

As it stands now İ would say Turkey would probably get about 6 / 8 votes. İ base that on 29 votes: France Germany Italy and the United Kingdom with a combined population of appoximately 260 million and Turkey 71 to 72.5 Million dived by 4 to equal the others. My view may be Hypethetical but a difinate aim and one well worth Turkey exploring as energy resourses dewindle and the thrist for consumption in Europe increases. Zero diplomacy is all about Turkey building alliances with neigbouring gas and oil producers. İf İ am right it is truly the... dawning of the age of aquenergy for Turkey... if Turkey can pull it off. Their neigbouring nations know exactely what Turkey is up to.

Con..

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
10/02/2010 12:02

Con...

But its geographical location places it in a barginable position and if used wisely will bare fruit.



Msg Tenakoutou

İ will post you an answer to your points later regarding secularisam and demographics.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
10/02/2010 13:34

Winslow,

Thats why more member states are now realising what Turkey has to offer and more and more politicians are coming forward and voicing there concerns about the Greek and Greek cyp attitude towards Turkey.To late though i feel.There is only one way that Turkey will now jump. And it wont be in the direction of Brussels,

Paul.

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
10/02/2010 17:41

Msg Tenakoutou.

The biggest problems facing the EU and western society in the future will be energy and its is aging population (Gerontology). Approximately 7% to 10% of the population are over 65 at present. Young counties are approximately 2% to 4%. Social policy towards retirement has had a dramatic effect on the labour force participation rates for the elderly. At the begining of the century 67% of men over 65 were employed by 2000 aproximately 7% were empolyed with the growth of pensions and early retirement schemes. İt is argued that this constitutes an economic burden the (burden of dependancy). As the ratio increases the elderly will put an economic brake on growth. You must also consider the dramatic increase in life expectancy as a result in medical advancement.

Con..

winslow


Joined: 09/04/2009
Posts: 332

Message Posted:
10/02/2010 17:42

Con..

And the role of the feminst movement which have radically revolutionised women more equally now in society and more inclined to following carrers and less in the home child bearing with the assistance of birth control contraceptives there is less children being born. Marriage is also on the decline so traditional family units are not being created. So who will take on the empolyment in the EU and replenish the working class making Nİ contributions for the future longer living generations pensions.

So your statement ‘’However, the EU don't want to be inundated with poverty-stricken work-seekers, who would mainly emanate from the Muslim community’’. Should be reconsidered by 2020/30 they will need all the human resourses they can lay their hands on that will be a hot topic. İ hope Young countries place restrictions on the young leaving they will need their own labour force inplace if they want their own economies to prosper.

Winslow