would you take this stand if you were a GC

faithworks


Joined: 10/07/2009
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Message Posted:
11/02/2010 12:47

This thread is strictly for non cypriots to comment on. am trying to see if there is a bias among many Cy44 members or they are just really concerned about TC.



I constantly check this forum as well as the cyprus-forum of the GCs. while i am shocked as to the level of hate and insults leveled at people in the North, i would like to ask this questions. please be honest in answering them.



1. If you were Mr Apostelidies (not sure of spelling) would you taken the Orams, who were trespasing on your property to court. or would you say well i'll let them have it.



2. most people are in favour of annexation by Turkey or a partition from Roc. is this due to the fact if that happen there is a good chance the GCs lose their properties and people who bought them from the illegal owners get to keep them or are you concerned that now that cyprus is an EU member GCs would go back killing TC or want to join a bankrupt greace

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 13:14

Mr Apostelidies already has a comfortable home in the South and allegedly, a holiday home by the sea situated on TC land. He of course denies this. Under the circumstances he should have waited for a political solution, instead of taking a viciously racist attack on EU, UK, citizens. I for one would be willing to pay for the piece of scrubland, but at today’s worth not some grossly inflated price. Unfortunately this is not what the GC’s want, and of course they are not attacking TC’s as yet only Brits who’s own country is not prepared to stand by them.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 14:04

Over the years many people have lost their homes and land to war. It is unfortunate but one has to move on and make a new life somewhere else. The Greek Cypriots in the south should do this and stop whinging and they should also stop feeding their children hatred and a distorted view of what really happened in 1974.

They are not living in isolation like the Turkish Cypriots although they were the perpetrators of what happened.

They should accept any compensation that is offered to them and stop dreaming of returning to the north. It is not going to happen. What has Apostelidas gained? Some compensation for rent, he hasn't got his land back, the villa will not be demolished and he will not be able to move back and live on his land. What he has achieved is showing us Brits what a spineless lot the UK judges are and how unfair the present system is.



The butlers wife

Chegwin


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Message Posted:
11/02/2010 14:07

Imagine how long his windows would last if he did move back...........



Chegs

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
11/02/2010 14:26

Chegwin Msg 4

More like his life!



Richard

mamachina


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Message Posted:
11/02/2010 14:38

We want partitition as dont want to be part of the EU or the eurozone - not the state its in now!!!

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
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Message Posted:
11/02/2010 14:44

Message 3 - The Butler's Wife



Surely you mean 1963 - otherwise you are also propogating the Greek mythology that "we all lived happily together until Turkey attacked".

the butler


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Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 14:58

Jovial John,



I stand corrected, you are quite right of course and the problems started long before 1974.







The butlers wife

faithworks


Joined: 10/07/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 16:58

I personally think everybody is entitiled to seek for justice in the courts if he feel cheated or being explioted.

yes i agree the GCs arent saints, they killed and woulda wiped out TCs to achieve their goal but where the problem lies is when one party sells what doesnt belong to him/her. there is no justification under the law for that. maybe this would make it clearer.



if a couple are seperated and they are in the proccess of finalising their divorce, the properties can be with any of the partners till a settlement on who gets what is reached. but if the wife thinks since it was the Husband that cheated and thus ended the marriage she can sell the benz, the villa in spain and the 40% shares the husband owns in microsoft, knowing fully well that even if there was a court settlement she wont get that much, am sure if u were d husband u wud seek a court order to stop d sale of ur property..wat u say troodo?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 17:07

msg1;

Why are you asking the question to non-Cypriots,when it has nothing to do with them?

Please ,do take it as a serius question.

faithworks


Joined: 10/07/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 18:45

re msg 10:

if any cypriot has a bias towards settlement i would agree, either he/she lost an uncle or relative or have lost properties... Cypriots have a reason to take what ever stance they choose.



The reason am asking non cypriots is because most people that comment on the issue here werent really affected by the cyprus bloodbath on both sides neither did they have to leave properties behind in limasol.



so back to my question. am trying to see why most commentators are so bent on a no solution being the solution. is it out of concern for TC or out of self preservation.



i wonder why so many people have failed to reveal the rationale behind their stance...

PeeCee


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 133

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 19:59

I think that you are misguided if you think that people who support TRNC do so only out of self-interest. Bit of an insult really. I'm with Yorgozlu on this. The solution can only be found by the Cypriot people. I feel enormously for the plight of the Turkish Cypriots who, I firmly believe, have been treated so badly and I fear that their interests might not be best served by this "negotiation". In the context of Cyprus the refugee issue is a two-way street - which so often gets forgotten. As the Butler said, time to close the book and move on. For 35 years TCs have lived without fear and long may it continue.

faithworks


Joined: 10/07/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 20:19

pee cee. i think you misunderstand me. My main issue with the NO SOLUTION IS SOLUTION people. i mite be wrong but i think thats not in the best intrest of TC for the following reasons.



TC are not TURKS, if they are a minority in cyprus as small as the whole island is imagine if they get annexed by Turkey. Turkey as a Big brother who watches their back is the best i think can be achieved that would favour TCs. if TRNC is annexed the TC identity wont last 30yrs before it is lost forever.



i support a one cyprus. Cyprus for cypriots no matter your race. TC or GC. i agree with you its time to move on, where i disagree is the direction most people want the move to be.



Turkey is a very nationalistic country, TCs would end of loosing their identity if they get annexed. best best is make up with Roc and have the Big bro TURKEY to scare the Roc from doin any crazy thing again.



now this is my point of veiw. and am open to any other suggestions that wont end of in TCs loosing identity

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 20:32

re msg 11;

I have no intention to take over your topic,

however,

ones idea for solution is anothers for no-solution.

It is a vicious circle,which is why I am a partitionist.We have had "peace" here for the past 36 years,so what if it is not written on the papers.

A SOLUTION is an AGREEMENT between two parts,in this case,we dont like their way and they dont like ours.

But our way suits me just fine.

Lincsman



Joined: 02/04/2008
Posts: 117

Message Posted:
11/02/2010 20:52

To Faithworks, I understand your frustration and like you I have looked at the forums on the GC side. If their opinions are typical of the GC population in general then it appears there can be no compromise. The fact is that the impression I get from the GC side is that they think they did no wrong and that the history of Cyprus only started in 1974 when Turkey intervened. In fact IMO I think the International Community should have intervened back in 1963 when the constitution was effectively "torn up", rather than giving pseudo acceptence to the GC leadership. Notwithstanding all this I think the only way the property issue can be sorted out is by fair compensation, it is totally unrealistic after 35 years to expect everyone to go back as they were. The TC's have had peace and security during that period. I fear that whilst the best solution may be for a united Cyprus it won't happen, because the GC side wants more than can be given.

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
12/02/2010 02:21

My experience since 1969 in Limassol was that the Greek Cypriots despised the Turks and wished they did not exist on the island and the Turkish Cypriots would like to live a peaceful existence - but found it impossible!!

I had a Greek Cypriot friend in Limassol who took me into the Turkish quarter where he personally had many Turkish cypriot friends but he had spent many years in England and had learnt that we all have to try to exist together.

He was in a very small minority of "educated" Greek Cypriots!!!

I personally think that the propaganda machine in S Cyprus is so strong that the situation will not change for a very long time.

But look at N Ireland!!!!!!