We reject a confederation or two-state solution

jay76


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:02

Greek Cypriot side is ready for an honourable and fair compromise



FAMAGUSTA GAZETTE 16.FEB.10

President of the House of Representatives Marios Garoyian has stressed that the Greek Cypriot side is ready for an honourable and fair compromise in the Cyprus question but at the same time, it will not accept an unjust solution.



In a speech at a memorial service in Paphos for heroes Andreas Tselepos, Kostas Karnavalos and Vladimiros Eracleous, Garoyian pointed out that the Greek Cypriot side will not accept the birth of a new state in Cyprus or a solution that will grant interventional rights and rights of guarantees to Turkey.



He said “we are ready for an honourable and fair compromise but at the same time, we will not accept an unjust solution and a closure of the Cyprus issue that will not attribute justice, end the occupation and settlement and fail to restore the unity of the country, the people and the institutions”.



“We are ready for an historical compromise, a solution

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:17

And that compromise is...........?

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:30

'We are willing to compromise but it has to be on our terms'.

Yep, same old crap.

nicka


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:32

They may take their ball and go play somewhere else Vaughan.......



If their motherland can sub them the money........



Oooh sorry.... i meant EU money...

winslow


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:35

I posted this on another thread my view.

''He said “we are ready for an honourable and fair compromise but at the same time, we will not accept an unjust solution and a closure of the Cyprus issue that will not attribute justice, end the occupation and settlement and fail to restore the unity of the country, the people and the institutions”.



When on Febuary 11 the General Assembly of the European Parliament approved the report it claimed to have based it on an evaluation of political and legal reforms in Turkey and also primarly about the Cyprus issue. The report raised eyebrows in Turkey to say the least across all political divides and strong reactions at national and international levels. The main points were that Turkey withdraw its troops immediately address the issue of the settlers and to deal with the issue of property under European rulings. İt made no mention of how the EU could add to the process and assit in formulating a solution.

Con..

winslow


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:38

Con..

İn my mind this was a unilateral declaration. Wereby we should of had a more multılateral understanding. This declaration does not recognise the social and political implications. İt came at a crucial time while the negotiations continue in terms of a solution of the problem. The European Union had an oppotunity to approach the problem realistically with perhaps suggestions on how the Cyprus could be unified if it truly believed that it wanted a unified Island within the EU by understanding both parties fustrations.This declaration by the EU is grossly bias. The reports was much more critical than in the past with its language harsher undertone. This is unacceptable to Turkey and the TRNC. The report will only make the compromise on a solution all the more difficult as both parties will draw the negative and positives in terms of their own prospectives the TRNC the negatives.

Con..

winslow


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:42

Con..

The Roc will benchmark this decision and others justifying their negotiating postion along these lines. It is important not to forget this report is as a result of the attachment of The ROC to the EU and its voice in the decision making process within the institution of the EU. Turkey believes that some member states and their institutions are using the Cyprus issue to enhance their own national interests rather than assisting in accession and negotiatons.



The international community are aware that the Turkish side said ‘yes’ to the Annan Plan but this has been ignored by the European Union. The EU, Greece and South Cyprus are sadly mistaken if they believe they will reach a solution by forcing Turkey with this declaration. The unfilled commitments of the EU and its attitudes put the EU in some circles in a compromising position regarding it role on the international stage.

Con..

Oleander


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:43

I dunno! I was hoping one of the 'great all knowing minds' on here would be able to tell me. You know - one of those that profess to know everything? Not a mere mortal like myself who has to wait and see!

winslow


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:44

Con.

The EU’s aim to position its self as a leader can only be effective if it assist and facilitates solutions rather than blocking them to the detrament of non EU members.



If the members of the EU want Turkey in the Union and a Cyprus solution they should end their opposition and behave according to international laws. Turkey will not bow and make anymore concessions regarding Cyprus without the fulfillment of commitments that have been promised in the past. Turkey and the TRNC will not accept the allegation that it has not attempted to resolve the problems of Cyprus.

Any further steps by the EU without its promised commitments I now believe behind the scences will only serve to push the negotiations to breaking point and perhaps over the edge.

Winslow

Oleander


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:44

Sorry, I was responding to the question 'and that compromise is?' The other posts were not there when I started to type the response!

elko2



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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 13:57

It was agreed many years ago that a solution will be "Bi-zonal, Bi-Communal and Federal". There can be no talk outside this framework. Any statements like "We cannot accept Confederation" is simply playing to the audiences and not sincere.

ismet

winslow


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 15:09

My opinon.

The point of my post is if the ROC follow the line of the EU which undoubtable they will. There will be no compromise within the context of lifting embargoes and ending isolation, settlers troops and the property issue. You are absolutely correct it is very unsincere. For us it has to be about wanting the best for our people which is self determination and governance. İn my mind there are allternatives outside of this framework two independent sovreingn states a confederation and others. İ for one do not look forward to a senario of being governed by a predominantly Greek Cypriot authority who have established themselves within the EU and will cojol and jossle themselves into the superior voice and authority.

Con...

winslow


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 15:09

Con..

We have witnessed this for 35 years they will not change. I am definately sure the mass of Greek Cypriots feel the same way regarding T/C governing them in some power sharing agreement. They will never trust T/C and will always believe Turkey will be behind any policy directives that we will try to have implemented for the benefit of our people if a governance agreement is reached. I understand the feelings of many that want a solution but they are not in the majority anymore as a result of all this failure to reach any form of consensus over the last 18 months. İt has just exposed the truth we just cannot agree even at this juncture even though the two chief protagonists are from the same political quather.

Winslow.

professoregit


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:33

The talks are in perpetual motion. Neither side has even started to tackle the mammoth job of gearing up the public on their respective sides with the positives of a solution. No public relations at all really, just the continuous talk of talks and non convergence and more talks. The ROC have a quite obvious policy of attack utilising the EU at every turn, this has been their agenda since 2004, a well planned and coordinated policy of dragging their feet as Turkey's EU ascession requirements hit road blocks along the way plus the Orams, and the recent EU Parliamentary resolution. As far as the EU are concerned, they really have no backbone at all. Mr Talat has painted himself into a corner with nowhere to go, as Mr Chris not nearly as brave as some suggest, continues to negotiate on behalf of the ROC national council, many of whom seem totally opposed to any agreement unless they a gifted with all. That won't happen in a referendum as we know. So lots more talks going nowhere.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 18:41

we will take everything , and leave you with nothing .

RedSnapper


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 19:28

And boy do they need it!!!

Lilli



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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 21:04

jay he also said compromise not submission, submit to what are they conceding defeat xxxxxx

eastendjoker


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Message Posted:
16/02/2010 21:31

surely a return of the area west of famagusta in return for direct flights to TRNC would be a step in the right direction but i can only envisage a 2 state solution due to far too many complications .