Title deeds for all refugees - Cyprus Mail

greenman


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Message Posted:
19/02/2010 15:55

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/title-deeds-all-refugees/20100219

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
19/02/2010 16:15

"..The certificate can be used to mortgage the property..."



how can they mortgage a property that doesn't belong to them?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
19/02/2010 16:18

"...It also makes clear that any claims should go through the courts of the Republic of Cyprus.

The reports said these changes were aimed in preventing any court decisions that would reverse the role played by the Guardian.."



They obviously don't want any claims going outside the ROC, (ECHR for example). I wonder why?

Vidal


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 16:29

In another article it says

'The new bill affects refugees living in government housing or self-built homes on government plots. It will not apply to refugee families living in Turkish Cypriot homes or properties built on Turkish Cypriot land. Instead, as compensation, they will receive a plot of government land in the district they currently live in.'

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
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Message Posted:
19/02/2010 16:38

Vidal, that previous article seems to have been superseded by the Interior Minister's new cunning plan. So, if the GC refugee defaults on the mortgage then the bank owns the property?

Vidal


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Posts: 867

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 16:45

Its all clever stuff. The plot thickens!!

greenman


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Posts: 526

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 18:00

Malsancak, "So, if the GC refugee defaults on the mortgage then the bank owns the property?"

Let me get this right - this is the GC refugee who is living on/in a TC property and has been given an "ownership certificate" so that he can take out a mortgage on the property that is not legally his. That's all right then because the RoC is an Internationally recognised country. Would hate it if there were double standards being applied.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 18:10

No, RoC being internationally recognised makes no difference, the ownership lies with the TC not the GC trespasser. The GC refugees are protesting that they were promised title deeds and so the government is trying to fudge the issue.

caulkhead


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 18:51

http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/documents/Pinheiro%20Principles.pdf

This was posted on the HBPG website a couple of days ago and is, I think, relevant to this debate.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 19:45

Pinheiro Principle - everyone has the right to have their property restored to them or to be compensated for that loss. Well yes, that's what they're trying to do. Be careful though the Catholic Church might want back all the property taken from them by Henry VIII.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
19/02/2010 20:54

Mal



Just read the comment to the article from Mr Smith of ROC. he wants everybody to have the right to return.He does not say how this could work.

If everybody returned ,that would mean returning to the demography of Cyprus pre-74,Believe they were in practice enclaves for the TC's please see my link from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ethnographic-1.jpg. It shows most Greek areas to be connected while the Turkish areas are

girne 29


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Message Posted:
19/02/2010 21:13

Mal



Just read the comment to the article from Mr Smith of ROC. he wants everybody to have the right to return.He does not say how this could work.

If everybody returned ,that would mean returning to the demography of Cyprus ,Believe they were in practice enclaves for the TC's please see my link from 1960.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ethnographic-1.jpg.

It shows most Greek areas to be connected, while the Turkish areas are all enclaves separated by Greek areas from each other. Looking at the map I now realise how terrifying it must have been in the 60's for TC's, when the trouble started, to be thus separated from mutual assistance. To return, would require a huge leap of faith to put oneself totally at the mercy of others.

90% of people in Kyrenia would have to move out and become fragmented. Totally unrealistic.