Dutch backpeddle on NATO commitments

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 18:56

Sad to see the cloggies on the verge of pulling their lads out of Afganistan, could this be the start of the Euro commitment to NATO starting to crumble, just as the Taliban are being put on the back foot.

Seems the Union has not only made a pickle of monitary matters, but the idea of a EU Army can only be another diaster waiting to happen.

Over to you Heinz.



D.N

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 19:04

Not back pedalling, it was agreed in the Dutch parliament last year that they would pull their troops out of Afghanistan this year. The extension of that to 2011 is what has not been agreed on and caused a split in the coalition government.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 19:09

Again, I'm not called Heinz, ***** Normus. Hans it is. Two years ago the Netherlands government informed NATO that the Netherlands troops would be out of Afghanistan at the end of 2010. Yesterday one of the coalition partners (PvdA) told the other coalition partners (CDA and Christen Unie) that their ministers would stick to their words. End of the fourth "government Balkenende". After 22 dead young (wo)men and 180 badly wounded - yep, why did the Netherlanders join the adventure in Afghanistan at all? Well, just for the record, it was better than the adventure in Iraq, isn't it? Where the US and UK invaded a country - based on lies of the US President and the UK Prime Minister.

Over to you DN.

DC



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rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 19:13

they never knew which side they were on in any war , always wore the shirt that was winning , thats why weve got so many war dead in arnhem and nimegen?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 19:18

Rowlo, your posts about war dead are pathetic. I bet you were not even born in 1944, so what are you talking about? "We"? Who is "we"? You? Which war will you pick next? The first or second Boer War (when the British invented the concentration camps, happily imitated by the Nazi's)? Don't go on this way, because I can play my part.

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 19:29

Sorry Hands, and I can only give praise for the lads out there, shame about a goverment that seems are unable to make a commitment. One cannot be held personally responsable for decissions made by goverments I also disagree with the invasion of Iraq, but in your opinion could it be the start of EU support for Afganistan waivering.



D.N

dublinderm


Joined: 26/09/2009
Posts: 538

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 19:43

So the Netherlands Government are unwilling to sacrifice any more of their young people in an aimless and unwinable war?



Some Dutch politicians have decent principles rather than toadying up to the 'special' USA & UK.



I served with the Dutch in Lebanon, they were fearless and formidable soldiers. All the more reason why their government and people should not waste them on this nonsense.



A week after the coalition forces pull back to their bases the Taliban will just re-occupy the ground and start all over again.



Some people never learn.



DD

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 19:51

RE msg 8, rowlo: I prefer to avoid discussions on the level you've chosen - you and I are obviously in different leagues of behaviour and education.

Rogerdodger


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 20:16

Speaking as an ex solider, and I have been there and done it, soliders fight wars and go where politicians send them, goverments all over the world make decisions soliders fight and die, this is the way it always has been and always will be, like it or not! agree or disagree, but do not drag soliders into the politics that goverments fight over.



This is only my personal opinion



RD

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 20:17

Rowlo you really are an obnoxious creature, comments like yours are entirely uncalled for.

Rogerdodger


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 20:22

Freedom of speach everybody, freedom of speach!



Lets not drag this down to the depths of slander and inuendoes, please



RD

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 20:30

Msg 10 & 11. Agree!

Grow up Rowlo and go chat your rubbish in a msn or football forum.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 20:41

along time ago people like me protected people like you ,now i wonder was it worth it ,what shallow minds you small people have , if the call came tomorrow ,i bet you couldnt be bothered to get out your bed ,im well grown up tootie are you ?

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 20:44

Rowlo

Which war did you serve in??

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 20:47

falklands ,

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 20:56

Keep calm and carry on rowlo

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 20:57

You didn't protect me mate i dont live their. You did however help Thatcher win the election, the iron lady feared throughout the world one of Britains greats ( appart from the poll tax)!!!!

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 21:06

there is none so blind ,than he who cant see , did what my country asked of me ,and was proud to do it .

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 21:21

Rowlo I give you my respect!

But you cant fault any country for pulling out of this fabricated no win situation.



[end of post]

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 21:41

theirs no winners in war ,only losers , loved ones are left behind with only the memories ,and they dont last for ever , everybody loses something ,or everything ?

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 21:59

Of course there are winners and losers in war - what a silly statement.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 22:14

you obviously havent been to war ? who won the last war ? when was it ? who won it ? who lost it ? who sank your banana boat ? take your time before answering .

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 22:18

DN the real reason they've pulled out is because the Afghani's have threatened to stop supplying there coffee shops with dope

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
20/02/2010 22:30

RE msg 23, tattlad: (...) there coffee etc (...)

=> If you really are a tattooist (your profile) you'd better take some lessons in your native language.

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
21/02/2010 02:02

rowlo wrote:



"they never knew which side they were on in any war , always wore the shirt that was winning , thats why weve got so many war dead in arnhem and nimegen?"

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
21/02/2010 07:24

'Among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages'



Samuel Johnson The Idler, 1758



Not a lot's changed over the years has it?