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Mad-Taff


Joined: 18/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 14:44

Hello All

I am hoping to buy a property in the TRNC (Girne area)and i will be visiting in the next 4 weeks, driving from Lanaca, i would like to say that i have found this forum very useful and hope to receive some wise advise and some top tips over the many questions i may come up with in the future !

Kind Regards M-T

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 15:14

Welcome to the forum Rod.

AJ

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 15:15

welcome and good luck.





Regards Spider,x

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 15:20

Welcome to the forum and good luck with your hunt for a property. Make sure you look at all area's before deciding on Girne as Lapta is where all the best people stay!!!!!!!!!!



Now watch for the flack!



Chris

laptagal


Joined: 28/05/2008
Posts: 549

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 15:41

Ohhhh Chris - brave girl (but I agree, of course) x

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 15:49

Chris, there's no "c" in flak.

Shows you the sorta folk that live in Lapta, MT, a Girnean would never mispel like taht.



Tony

Mad-Taff


Joined: 18/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 15:49

Cheers, i should have said i am looking at property east and west of Girne between Karsiyaka and Esentepe

Regards Rod

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 15:59

Hello Taf,



What part of Britain are you from?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 16:01

Tiggy

If you look at his profile it just might give you a clue.

AJ

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 16:01

Minertor there is a c in Scottish flack!!!!



Chris

jamestalbot


Joined: 20/12/2009
Posts: 958

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 16:06

Hello Rod and welcome.

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 17:06

Not another mad Taff!

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 17:24

Rod ....look around Esentepe / Bahceli area all the good , kind, thoughtful , rich , people live here. All that lot at the other end are always partying at JK's or eating at Guidos. . Us lot up this end are more sophisticated and dine out at Goya , Esentepe Villa Hotel or Stevies bar . Also that lot up that end don't talk proper like wot we do .!!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 17:29

arrys being adopted welsh we welcome all taffs, but he is from oxfordshire and they are posh. rod where ever you are from welcome xxxxxxxxxxxxx

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 17:34

welcome m-t hope you find what your looking for .

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 17:34

arry

do you mean joya,or is there a goya

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 17:37

rowlo

if your looking in send me your e mail mate.gaz

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 17:44

Clayton..............see what i mean .! We have painters live up our end as well !!

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 18:55

Wow - 18 posts and nobody has asked our new member if he's researched the thorny issue of property in the TRNC or even to beware what he may be told. Considering post-Orams how many of us complained they were misled and no-one told them the true background to property, I'm astonished.

Rod, welcome to the forum. Have you done your homework and know the score about main the two types of title deed here in the most beautiful part of the Eastern Med? Is there anything in particular yuou need help with?

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 19:37

Welcome Rod

I would advise renting then have a good look round first before deciding where you want to settle

Sheila (good luck)

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 19:43

'Oleander'

I suggest you wind your neck in and re-read message 1 again.

AJ

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 20:22

I suggest it can only be a good thing to give 'newbies' to the TRNC some factual and helpful advice. Lord knows there are enough here complaining that they were not given any indication that anything might go wrong. Nor any warnings and that they just believed their E. Agents and Developers.



And I suggest, once again, to the management that they UPDATE their general info pages as this site is said to be among the foremost for INFORMATION about TRNC. Some are sadly out of date (years out of date) and others downright misleading in view of more recent events.



I really don't understand why they are left as they are.

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 20:23

And I must say I was mildly surprised that so many took the 'newbie' at face value here!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 20:29

'Oleander'



' And I suggest, once again, to the management that they UPDATE their general info pages as this site is said to be among the foremost for INFORMATION about TRNC. Some are sadly out of date (years out of date) and others downright misleading in view of more recent events.

I really don't understand why they are left as they are.'



I suggest that you take up your concerns directly with the owner of the board rather than continually harping on about it on the board.



' And I must say I was mildly surprised that so many took the 'newbie' at face value here!'



You were taken at face value when you made your first post, so what are you trying to prove?

AJ

Jo Valentine


Joined: 10/02/2008
Posts: 508

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 20:31

Hello and welcome Rod

If you require any advice or assistance with relocation and shipping your goods, I'll be pleased to help.

Happy hunting!

Jo Valentine

01302 729696

Email: valentineremovals@hotmail.com

http://www.removalstocyprus.co.uk

Mad-Taff


Joined: 18/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 20:55

Hi Oleander

yes i have investigated the situation regards deeds etc to the best of my knowledge reading from the internet. But just how safe are the different types (exchange etc). How good are the solicitors out there, Any advice would be greatly appreciated ! and without being to controvertial which area is the best areas to to live to east or west of Girne being as a holiday home ! which is the most developed area !

Rod

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 21:25

Rod,

You'll know from your own research that the only safe and internationally recognised title deed is Turkish or foreign-owned pre-74. Don't touch anything off-plan, come and rent first for at least six months as has been suggested. And finally if you do buy, make a contract with a small deposit returnable if you do not get permission to purchase from the authorities. Never go ahead and buy without first getting your PTP. Foolish, mainly Brit people started doing this a few years back and the resulting free-for-all rip-off culture was their creation. Things could have been so different if only they hadn't been so greedy.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 21:32

Message 27 - of course, one could also take the view that "things could have been different" if others weren't so greedy, either, e.g. Estate Agents, Builders, Developers, etc.



May I ask you why you always point the finger at the "Greedy British (soon to be) Ex-Pat? Or, should I say "Carpetbagger"?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 21:35

Jeannie



I am sure you know who Oleander is.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 21:40

Dave



If I had any doubt (which I didn't) you have confirmed my 'suspicions'



You may remember, some while ago, I was accused, on this board, of being this person?



Regards to you both.



Jean and Paul



PS You have to laugh, don't you?

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 21:44

Mad Taff - I am so sorry, but you seem to have had a bit of a "Baptism By Fire".



Don't be put off - keep posting and I am sure you will find your questions answered.



I hope I'm not being naive here If I am - so be it.



J

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 21:50

Jeannie and Paul



' You have to laugh, don't you?'



I do, and every evening. All I would say is when the evening shift clocks on then that's when it all start's to go to rat poop.

Take care both

AJ

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 21:57

What I would like to know is why 'Oleander' is not replying to any of my postings. But I guess I know the answers already.

mikki09


Joined: 17/10/2009
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 22:22

All I will say is make sure you look into everything first and rent for a while before you decide to buy or even live here.



Good Luck.



Mikki

briggus


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 22:23

Message 24: Is not the oleander a very poisonous plant?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 22:29

Nerium oleander, commonly known as oleander, is a highly toxic plant that has been cultivated since ancient times.

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
23/02/2010 23:34

Msg 28:



"Message 27 - of course, one could also take the view that "things could have been different" if others weren't so greedy, either, e.g. Estate Agents, Builders, Developers, etc."



It wasn't the estate agents, builders and developers who handed over their life savings without having either a title deed on even PTP. It was the buyers and they were mainly Brits. If they had done things properly, the way it is done all over the world including the UK, the TRNC property market would have been regulated by demand. There would have been no boom and bust and we wouldn't have hundreds of people ruined by crooked builders and "lawyers" who quickly realised they had shed-loads of money on tap without even having to give anything in return.

So I'm sorry but it is down to individual blind greed or simple stupidity. The sad thing is how few people have the guts to admit it (because it reflects badly on them) or the decency to help a newbie from making the same mistakes.

TheStonedCrow


Joined: 27/06/2009
Posts: 96

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 00:06

Mad Taff



The only suggestion I could make is do what YOU think is right, life is too short

you will get loads of advise on this board but most of it is crap and scare mongaring



People will even reply at my spelling mistakes that is how sad Most of these people are.



Me and my wife have been here for many years now and wouldn'd change a thing, what

ever you decide Good Luck keep beain in gear and most of all be Happy



TSC

TheStonedCrow


Joined: 27/06/2009
Posts: 96

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 00:15

Meant BRAIN



TSC

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 08:03

Bore da Rod.I'm from Aberystwyth and Wrexham,but living in Lapta for 18 months.I love it here.

I'm also local agent for Valentine's removals.So can help you with bringing your goods here,and the necessary paperwork.

Just enjoy this piece of heaven here!!!

Mike

SammieB



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 10:05

WELCOME Taff!



Sun is shining, sea is glistening and the mountains are magnificent. Have lived here for 7 years and still in deep love with the place despite the fraustrations!

Agree with other members with regard to renting.....6 months should be enough for you to decide which area you'd like to settle in...................but Lapta or the West side is DEFINATELY the best in my opinion and I have lived everywhere here!

Good Luck! x

decanddyl


Joined: 17/01/2009
Posts: 792

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 10:35

Agree with other posts rent for a while, do not buy off plan and take your time to make your own mind up. I would add that at the moment west is best as they have more facilities and a more established community.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 10:40

Dear AJ, talking of necks and winding in..



Folks not 'responding to your posts?....'



Pot .. Kettle ...Black ? ...;)

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 10:42

BTW 'Mad-Taf'



Suggest you RENT and try living in the area of CY you think you want to live in first.. you'll learn the ropes and make a wiser decision. It's VERY much a buyers market.





Welcome !

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 11:05

The only response I have for AJ is - Why are so many AGAINST anyone giving any truthful and HONEST advice to a newbie thinking of buying in the TRNC? Is it a case of some wanting more people to be in the same boat they are in, somehow thinking this will strengthen their position? Any decent estate agent would give the same advice and they do. Why is the giving of this TRUTHFUL advice seen to be somehow 'subversive'?

You can live AND BUY in Northern Cyprus free of all worries if you do your homework. I and others know this for a fact! But you are unlikely to get a lux.accomm with use of a pool for from £20K or thereabouts. And who, in their right minds, taking into account the variation in prices between the properties with different sorts of 'title' would think there was no difference?

*I have taken the question of the out of date pages up with the management and they did respond on this board a while back, thanked me and said they'd see to it. They didn't.

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 11:13

Perhaps AJ and Jeannie can tell me why they think it is NOT misleading to have this under the heading and sub heading of:



# up to date information on buying property in Northern Cyprus



#Full details on the Orams' case



"Orams' Case

Linda and David Orams has won the case.

The verdict was announced on 6 September 2006.



The judgement allows others in the same position to invest in TRNC without the threat of enforcement of judgments rendered in the Republic of Cyprus in the EU."



And why they think it is such a terrible thing to point out that it is just not TRUE!

Mad-Taff


Joined: 18/02/2010
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 12:42

Oh bloody hell it looks like ive stirred up a hornets nest !!!!!

Anyway best wishes to you all and our paths may cross in one of the local hostelries.



Rod

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 13:04

Rod,I suggest you just take notice of comments from those people living in the North.

Oleander has an address of Larnaca,way down South in that Greek bit,EEC.I hear that the Greek government is paying monthly cheques to the Turkish owner of the land that Larnaca airport is built.

I love the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus,and NOT being in the EEC,or belonging to bankrupt Greece

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 17:47

I suggest you don't take the word of anyone on this forum. That you do your research and find out the FACTS for yourself. British High Commission Website has a timely warning on it about purchasing in TRNC.

Important facts on this forum are years out of date. And, for some inexplicable reason, hardly anyone here wants to mention even the slightest difficulty you might encounter, perish the thought they'd mention any of the big problems. The occasional post saying 'if we knew then what we know now we'd never have bought'. And quite a few more brave enough to say the best bet is to rent. Well ask yourself why they say that?

They love to keep on about me living in Larnaca. Truth is I lived elsewhere in Cyprus for much longer than I've lived in Larnaca. I now split my time between Lca and elsewhere. And I lived in the North for quite a while too. Just got fed up living on one of the biggest developments over there with (I kid you not) less than 20 of the dwellings on it occupied!

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 17:49

We won't mention owning any property in the TRNC that carries pre 74 Turkish Title. They don't like to hear about people who own those and bought a while back after doing homework.



I have pals who live in a development between Salamis and Bogaz where only FOUR, yes FOUR, houses are occupied! And those four not occupied all year round! Makes me laugh because they still argue with their neighbours about who parks where lol!

laptagal


Joined: 28/05/2008
Posts: 549

Message Posted:
24/02/2010 19:15

Hello and welcome Rod. Most people who post on this board are really nice, knowledgeable and helpful and love living in TRNC. You will soon pick up on those who are not. I suppose buying in the TRNC is a gamble but so is life. Whatever you decide to do, I wish you happiness.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 18:40

'Oleander' msg 37



"It wasn't the estate agents, builders and developers who handed over their life savings without having either a title deed on even PTP. ..... So I'm sorry but it is down to individual blind greed or simple stupidity."



Would this include the 100,000 odd people in the RoC both cypriot and foreign that have purchased property and are still without deeds there as well ?



http://www.prlog.org/10259359-new-rules-for-cyprus-title-deeds.html]



"Up to 100,000 buyers – both locals and foreigners - have paid for their properties but have no legal documents to prove that they own them – which means that they are trapped as they are unable to sell them on without the documents. "



"This means that buyers remain at the mercy of the developer who sold the property to them and the banks that hold their title deeds as collateral for loans. "



Are these people also blind greedy or stupid ?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 18:45

Oleander

Re message 49



' I suggest you don't take the word of anyone on this forum.'



I guess that includes you then.