partition what does in mean?

hds.trnc


Joined: 26/05/2009
Posts: 175

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 04:07

talks fail and partition is the oitcome..just exactly what does this mean ...what will change ....will the boredr remain open...will it affect property..residency, title deeds, tresspas, the orams decision ..implications...turkeys EU hopes...hhmmm

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 07:46

For expats, it just means that the border will be closed for a short while, until the GC's realise how much shopping revenue they're losing!



'If the talks fail....' - they've continually failed since 1974!

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:36

Full partition will be the beginning of the end of the Turkish Cypriot people and culture.

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:48

The TC culture is probably on its way out already, there are more Turkish mainland settlers in TRNC now that there are indigenous TC's.



The talks will only succeed for the GC's if it is allowed to return to the situation that existed before the July 15 1974 coup when the GC's were in charge and the TC's faced ethnic cleansing.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:53

Dusterbruce message 4 - agree with you.



Message 3 - it that your opinion or just wishful thinking?

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:04

msg3 please explain ? i thought you tried that before ? then ran away with tails between legs ,or am i wrong ?

Grinderman


Joined: 11/08/2009
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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:19

Seems to me partition is a word that exactly describes the present situation.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 18:11

no mate at the moment its called oppression ?

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 18:39

"Full partition will be the beginning of the end of the Turkish Cypriot people and culture."



Has not full partition existed in for all practical purposes since 74.and rather than destroying the Turkish Cypriots some would say it saved them.



Thought the beginning of the end of the Turkish Cypriots occurred when Cyprus was all one pre 74, and what prevented the beginning of the end becoming the end, was the intervention of Turkish Army.



The final nail might be the non acceptance of Turkey being guarantor.

Turkey's right of intervention is not needed as no occasion requiring intervention will occur, That being the case, why object to the right to intervene in something that will never occur.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 18:44

hear hear girne29

swannee7


Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 19:21

The island has been partitioned since l974. Turkey created a separate enclave for its TC comrades, with mainlanders following on soon after. The indigenous TC population in terms of 'head count' is fairly low now as mainland 2nd generation Turks have increased in numbers as the two communities became fully integrated, not least through marriage. 'Reunification' of the island, politically & culturally, is a non-starter in my humble opinion. Apart from the surviving elderly members of indigenous GC or TC, neither side today can remember what it was like to be a 'united' Cyprus. Turkey is now stronger than it has been in years and the TRNC is well protected. Partition must remain in place, but Entente should be as Cordiale as possible.

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 20:28

I cannot for the life of me understand why the talks continue from a TC point of view. Why would they want to adopt the Euro when it is about to cripple the tourist trade south of the border and throughout Europe.

If it wasn't for the existing oppression, North Cyprus with its TL would be as well placed as it has ever been to benefit from increases in tourism due to good value.

If the talks collapse they may well feel that they have had a lucky escape.



John

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 21:15

swannee7, I agree with much of your comment, although my understanding is that there isn't a lot of togetherness between mainland Turks and TCs. It seems quite difficult to get accurate demographics.



But yes, partition's been with us for 36 years, and long may it remain so. Cyprus was never unified politically and culturally in the first place. Oleander's little snipe is way off the mark.



Apart from the usual rants from the usual GC suspects, Entente has been pretty Cordiale, and long may that remain also. When Turkey realises it has nothing to lose and everything to gain by opening its ports, and does so, it will be even cordialer.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 21:29

full partition means the end of the tc,s ,is that the same end as the coup in74 ,you really must stop stepping

into dog s..t oleander .



enjoy the peace ,we are not here forever.





musin





long live the kktc

hds.trnc


Joined: 26/05/2009
Posts: 175

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 06:44

will any recognition follow the formal partition if i can use the word formal...

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 09:35

Many in Bruxelles regard the Republic of Cyprus as a 'perfect pest' - but how long before they finally admit it, along with their admission of racism and violation of human rights, which they advocate and claim to uphold, but hypocritically contravene towards TRNC?

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 09:43

I don't understand message 3 either as surely if it is a full partition the Turkish Cypriots will get stronger. Yes there are a lot of Mainland Turkish people here now, but also a lot of Turish Cypriots coming back from England and Ausralia.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 11:29

I THINK the point of msg 3 is to point out that TCs are outnumbered in 'TRNC', now and there is some feeling of resentment - by some TCs



As to the " 'borders' being closed " .. SIGN .. Turkey cannot afford to close the crossing points.. they would be in direct violation of the ECHR ruling that made 'em opening them - against the will of Mr Denktash - A TC Doctor took TR to Court for restricting his access to 'the south' and won ....

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 11:38

There is no point to Oleander's post, sixems, other than as a standard swipe, always couched in gentle terms, at all things north Cypriot.



I don't think Turkey has ever demonstrated that she "can't afford" to do anything, although it isn't actually Turkey that controls them, sixems.



Can you please post the link to your last statement about the TC doctor?

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 11:40

And, sixems, where is the "border closed" sign you mentioned?

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 12:11

Probably right mmmmm,

I know what mess 3 was getting at but I think him trying use that as a weapon to convince TC's to join the ROC wont work.The Cretan Turks had an identity which became irrelevant once that were cleansed from the island. The Palestinians are a case in point, they have an identity but not a country,



But after all those years is it not a case that people that live in TRNC are" Turkish Cypriots". In much the same way as we are all" British".We dont talk about Anglo-saxon ,Asian, Celtic, Brits.well apart from the BNP and the likes.



Always some bit of resentment between groups. I dont know how many people in the South are proper GC's,its not too relevant.The priority should be to negotiate a settlement and not use the ethniticity of the various groups that live in Cyprus as a lever.

Would not the Greeks and GC's outnumber the TC's more than the' Turks' do at present.

United Cyprus outnumbered by Greek and GC. or as now, outnumbered by Turks.Preference?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
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Message Posted:
26/02/2010 12:14

Dear Rott:



sorry I can't find the ECHR link, right now.. I found this one from a pro GC site ..





http://www.lobbyforcyprus.org/press/press2003/cyma220203echr.htm



Of course I meant SIGH... you 'got me'

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
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Message Posted:
26/02/2010 12:19

ooops I meant Rotto: .. no offence intended :(

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/02/2010 12:23

Hi Girne_29



In case others don't know.. I'm very much for a soln om bi-zonal, federated terms.. No more RoC .. a new state.



If that ultimately means that TR and Cyprus are in the EU and anyone can live / work where they like [ that can apply to some from from Istanbul wanting to live in Limas(s)ol as much as a Cypriot want to live in Girne / Kyrenia / Istanbul.. fine by me.. I will take time and an Annan' like soln is the only compromise in town ...

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 12:44

Re the ECHR case that mm refers to if anyone wants to see the ECHR judgment on the case goto



http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/search.asp



in the application number field enter the following



20652/92



then hit search.



This will bring up a link to the Judgment (Merits and Just Satisfaction) in word format.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 12:50

Thanks, ErolZ