Smoking.why am I made to feel like the bad guy

LooseBoots



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 12:12

Why is it despite the smoking ban people insist on lighting up. Why should I on anyone else end up with hair and clothes stinking of fags or feeling ill the next day. And if you dare suggest leaving a door open oh we we will get could.



But most of all WHY am I made to feel the guilty one in all this.

The only protest I can make is not to buy the drinks, that way my pocket will benefit and the owners / management will be the ones to suffer.

I have given my support to various pubs / restaurants over the winter to keep them going but no more.

jock1



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Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 12:14

This has been covered so many times, its boring........

sienna


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 12:18

it has indeed but obvioulsy smokers are so arrogant and have no respect for others that don't smoke so the subject keeps rearing its head !

proger1



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Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 12:23

Consider this from the finacial stand point you appear to be basing this on.



The majority of people I meet in any bar in any country are smokers, ban smoking and lose a high potential of smokers but will it replace them with non smokers, I am doubtful.



As Jock says,this has been covered many times but the majority of the complaints I have seen are from non-smokers who want the air to be fresh wherever they walk, understandable if the law says that is the way it should be but will it change your life style by much, again I doubt it.



As an avid smoker I can tell you staright away that I have spent alot less time frequenting my local who do apply the ban because I now have to go outside in whatever weather just to appease my addiction.



My wife loves this but I am pretty sure my local landlord would like things to stay the way they were.

sienna


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 12:51

A bonus for the local !

jock1



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 12:53

Msg 2 dont Tar every one with the same brush....

jock1



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 12:54

sorry msg 3............

proger1



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 12:56

Am I supposed to bite at that sienna, I think I'll go and have a cigarette instead and think about how much it annoys non smokers who have had so much more places made available to them whilst the smokers are getting restricted to the point of having to break laws just to get a nicotine hit.

sienna


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 12:57

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ClaireCat44



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 13:16

Message 8: I TOTALLY AGREE.

laptagal


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Posts: 549

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 13:22

Message one. I agree but people should be able to choose whether or not to breath in toxic smoke. Smokers should have somewhere to smoke in comfort but let me have my basic human right to breath air as nature intended.

LooseBoots



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Posts: 1258

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 13:38

Yes it is the same argument but as usual it is the non smoker that suffers............What smokers don`t understand is that I do not want to restrict their smoking but WHY should i stink of fags and WHY should my health suffer.



Where is my choice then................



As I said, the only choice I have is to leave my money in my pocket.



I stress again..I have no objection to people smoking.................but not at the cost of my health.

proger1



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Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 13:49

What most non-smokers seem to forget is that as a non-smoker you have always had the choice to go were smoking is not allowed, I appreciate that some places flaunt the rules but how can the smoker be blamed for that.



If you have no objection to people smoking but are concerned for your health then why bother going somewhere that people smoke. Surely your health is more important to you than whether you can go into a bar that might be nice.



I agree that restricts your choice however the smokers choices have been kulled quicker than a batch of baby seals. It is either outside or not at all unless of course the bar does not serve food in which case it is legal to smoke.

jock1



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Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 13:50

The bar's and restraunts that i go to dont have smoking, and i do not know of any bars that do allow smoking so where is the debate...

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 13:50

The ratıo of bar and pub patrons who are smokers vastly outnumber non-smokers - that's been the case for years!



If there has to be a ban on smoking, why not make the restaurants 'non-smoking' - so non-smokers can still get a drink, as any decent restaurant should have a bar?



Why not allow smoking in bars/pubs? The bars here don't, generally, offer meals; so, the smokers can 'puff away 'tıl their heart's content'!



To go to a restaurant occasionally is a 'treat' - but a bar/pub is frequented by 'regulars' - that's a fact!

sienna


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Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 13:55

message 12 you will never win with these arrogant inconsiderate smokers let them crack on ! one day when tehy have smoke related illnesses maybe they might change there tune ! but hey ho it will never happen to them sydrome at the moment !

jock1



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 13:59

msg 16 there you go again banging your drum, not all smokers smoke in a restaurant...why do you think this!!!

Lambousa Gordon


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Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:06

Declaring interests: I have been a heavy smoker for 26 years and I own a number of bars.



Msg: 4 & 15: Sorry, completely untrue. Only between 15-20% of patrons are smokers. Since implementing the smoking ban we have lost some smokers but we have gained some non-smokers. Also, in the past it has been noticeable that when selling tickets for 3 nights of plays the 2 completely non-smoking nights sold out well before the one night that allowed smoking in the bar area.



Msg 15: Your suggestion is actually in place. Establishments that do not serve any food whatsoever, do not allow under-18s in and have sufficient air-extraction systems may allocate 50% of their public areas for smoking.

Lambousa Gordon


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Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:08

Continued:



Generally: as I smoker I deplore the self-righteous indignation shown by some fellow smokers in respect of the ban. Let's be realistic: it's phenomenally unhealthy and does make ours and others' clothes stink. If we wish to indulge our habit/addiction then lets show some consideration for others.



If some establishments can offer smoking areas then we will probably choose to use them and non-smokers will undoubtedly choose to avoid them and the umbrage taken / joy experienced at the ban will even itself out.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:11

Msg 15. Allow smoking in pubs? what about the staff working in there are they not allowed their rights to a smoke free place of work?

LooseBoots



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Posts: 1258

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:14

message 13 .A smoker cannot be blamed for smoking in a non smoking area...that`s a good one.



Is the smoker going to pay the fine that will be levied against the owner.I think not.



And yes I will stop frequenting where you smoke and let you get on with it.

LooseBoots



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:28

Contd.

Message 18 & 19. Thank you.



Agree with all that.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:31

Looseboots do you drink...cos frankly I am sick of those that do and then get in their cars and cause death and destruction but I don't bleat on and on about it...get over it and go somewhere where noone smokes....Richard Branson is doing flights in outer space...have a good trip!

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:37

Hi Lambrousa gordon, is the Saturday market that you hold indoors and folks can get a coffe, has that become a no smoking area now? as when over last time just couldnt sit for coffee as so many smokers still puffing away, this was before the ban in Jan might I add....



LooseBoots, we as non smokers have in the past walked out of pub/eating places because of selfish smokers, but I think most sensible/thoughtful smokers dont light up so much around others now. Think most are getting the message strong and clear, ......

LooseBoots



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Posts: 1258

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:41

Decyprus4 ................thank you for your suggestion................i will get over it and i thought rather than bleating i was expressing my personal opinion or do you intend to take that right from me as well.



I thought that was the purpose of this forum.



And for your information I do drink but unlike some don`t drive on that occasion...........



And I would love the trip thanks again.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:42

Msg 20... Noone is forced to work in a pub ....

proger1



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:45

LooseBoots, As does occur occasionally on forums you may have miss read or miss understood my statement.

I stated that some places flaunt the rules about smoking meaning that the smoker who is being told he is allowed to smoke can not be blamed if the owner has informed them incorrectly.



Just for clarification, I do not smoke in my house, I do not smoke in my car and I do not smoke at work except in designated smoking areas. I will not even smoke next to an outside table at a bar or restaurant because people might be eating there.



What I get so miffed about is that regardless of how much I or many other smokers try and appease the non-smokers who are now much better off in thier choices than ever in the past it is still not enough for them.



If I were told that I could not smoke in or around a bar or restaurant whether inside or out I would CHOOSE not to go there.

I appreciate that this is what you are saying you will do but why on earth did you post it ???

smithy


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:49

Dee message 23 )

This is so true and it made me laugh

sienna


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Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 15:19

23/26/28 typical retorts - it also shows with teh tone that is always used by teh smokers they are DYING for their next fix - arrogance as said

proger1



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Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 15:29

You confuse me sienna, are you on the forum to help or just to stir things up because you think it's fun.

If it's the latter then please let me know now so I won't waste my time trying to impress my free right to an opinion whenever you are around in the future.



Banging head against wall comes to mind whenever I see you post.

sienna


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Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 15:34

So message 23/26/28 are helping then are they ?????? smithy as alwasy agrees with her little mateys dont you think we too are sick of all your appreciatation scoiety memebers



- do you question them? it seems smokers can say what they like to non-smokers like go to sapce have a good trip helpful hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - go and have another fag proger1 and take your arrogance stance of thinking this is YOUR forum with you

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 15:42

As a smoker I think it only right the freedom of speech and equal opportunity should be there for everyone, regardless of common opinions. The law is simple and it is the law, if you are a smoker then you must abide by it or risk the penalty. This is the same for the drinker who drives to the pub, drinks too much and drives home again.

Nobody ever complains about them because it is their choice if they want to kill themselves and probably take others with them as they go.

None-smokers should not feel that they are the bad guys in any of this, the law is on their side and so be it. It is always true in all things that if there is enough pressure brought to bear then the minority will be successful in imposing their will on the majority - you only have to look at Gordon Brown (a definate minority that one) to see the statement is true.

Who cares anyway, the smoker is used to being picked on and that is why we have such tough skins.

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 15:43

'Msg 15. Allow smoking in pubs? what about the staff working in there are they not allowed their rights to a smoke free place of work? '



That is where the change of law came from. EU and UK legislation on Health and Safety at work for those working in bars, clubs and other licensed premises. It was not an overall health change of law but one to protect those working in environments where smoking had previously occurred. I have been critical of much EU red tape and legislation such as the human rights act being twisted on occasion but this act I was in agreement with.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 15:47

Three times you have used the word so it must be true then.



I am arrogant and have no respect for others and I must be in an appreciation society because I agree with someone. Have you ever tried to look at both sides of a story.



You have taken one person's comment regardless whether it was in good taste or not and grouped everyone you don't agree with to thier statement. Even when someone says it was funny, you still attack.



I asked you a simple question and you tell me to go away.

Rogerdodger


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 15:47

It all goes to the basics, the law is the law, brits are the worst for breaking the no smoking laws in the TRNC, because of their arrogance, they would not smoke in pubs/hotels/restraraunts in the UK, so why do it the TRNC, I do not smoke, however if I did, I would repect others who did not and want to enjoy their meals/drinks, ect, what should be done, is to challange those who do smoke in restraraunts, either put it out or go outside, let other people enjoy their meals in comfort.



Thanks



RD

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 15:53

as jock1 said ,boring been covered to many times ,he did give a good tip on how to avoid it smelling your clothes on a previous thread which i find still works GO NAKED lmao.

proger1



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Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 15:55

Then I definately would get thrown out of the pub and probably banned !!

Corbo



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:02

Well the good news for all the smokers is soon, over here in Cyprus, we'll all be outdoors anyway, puffing away or not. I may well be on a Havana cigar as they are well priced out here; one of the few things that are cheap.

TopTen


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Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:10

Some friends of ours chose to smoke outside because of the ban in England,they were used to doing this, we went to Effendi and they finished thier cigarettes before they went in.

steveww


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Posts: 96

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:15

FACT:>>>100% of none smokers die !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:17

TopTen. Would they have been allowed to smoke inside Effendi?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:21

as do 100% of smokers ,msg40 lol

Lambousa Gordon


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Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:40

Re Msg 24:



Yes - we are completely non-smoking indoors.



Tables and ashtrays are provided for smokers outdoors.

Jeannie


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Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:50

Gordon, message 43.



Now stand by for the non-smokers who will say it is unfair to allow smoking in outdoor areas because they won't like going out there when the weather gets warmer

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:53

gordon good message 43 if all the smokers had the same attitude then the non-smokers and smokers wouldnt have anything to spat about it is the arrogance of not abiding by the rules that it then becomes and issue and when attitudes and sarcastic remarks start !

proger1



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Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:54

That's all right Jeannie. The smokers can go inside then where the air conditioning is and the non smokers can sit outside where we won't have to smell the food and coffee being served. A fair compromise I think

proger1



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:00

sienna, you call someone arrogant when you don't even know them, that is when the sarcasm starts.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:00

As I have said before (on one of the numerous smoking-v-non-smoking threads), I am a smoker and I abide by the rules as laid down in the UK and NC, when I am there. What I do object to, most strongly, are pubs which have no smoking gardens (true, we have a couple in the town where I live). When I queried this, I was told that non-smokers don't like sitting outside when the weather permits and the 'atmosphere is smoky'. And they wonder why pubs are closing down in Britain at a rate of knots!

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:04

msg 43 Lambousa Gordon, thanks for that info, we can now look forward to sitting down, having coffee without smelling like an old chimney, segregate and eliminate, should keep every one happy now.....

wackyjim



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Posts: 760

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:06

Anyone fancy a spluff???

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:10

i think you meen spliff wackyjim, what you on lol,

wackyjim



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:11

Rowlo

Just testing you!!!lol

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:12

Spliff wackyjim, spliff,........any one for wacky backy ........

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:33

For goodness sake, can we not live and let live a bit. I am an ex smoker, i hate the smell of it now but I still accept that people who choose to smoke are entitled to do so. Up to now I have been very pleased how the smoking ban is being adhered to in TRNC, I have not seen anywhere that has allowed smoking inside, nor have I heard anyone complaining about going outside to enjoy a cigarette, so please, give it a rest, summer will soon be here and the smokers can puff away, outside, legally.

Jeannie


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Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:42

wackyjim - I though a "spluff" was a 'puff' on a 'spliff'

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 17:54

Sheila.. hiya hun, how's it going...



Jeannie that made me chuckle lol.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 18:06

Drinking Kills..and Drink driving too.....I choose to drive safe,and do not like the smell of drink either,therefor i do not visit bars to watch drunks either...Simple entertain your friends at home.!!!

I smoke although i wish i did not.I respect people who do not.even within my own home i try to smoke away from non-smokers.This is being self aware and awareness of others..

What i dont like is wingers....Isolate yourselves for god sake..for your own good health and happiness...





Spider,X

jock1



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Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 20:30

Yes jim i wouldnt mind..................

wackyjim



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Posts: 760

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 20:33

I knew I could count on you Jock!!! A man after my own heart

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 22:21

me too george, never tried it but its about time i did all these things. Its on my bucket list to do before i peg it xxxxx

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 23:04

Spider you are back and spouting pearls of wisdom...you are a very wise little spider....missed you loads hun xx

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
25/02/2010 23:58

Oh dee, Have missed you too,the both of you,catch up in April sometime i hope..









Lol,Spider,X

marcosthechef



Joined: 30/11/2009
Posts: 646

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 00:56

I really cant be bothered to read all the stuff on this thread, as we have heard it all b4, but i am a smoker who does want to stop, but i cant, the smoking ban has halved my smoking, fact, ( a good thing) I am quite happy to go outside and puff away and am happy that my cloths dont stink of stale smoke (how contraditoray is that, but true) here i usually smell of kitchens now !!! It has had an effect commercially on bars here, as it has on the rest of the planet, when smoking bans occur, most places now here in the TRNC Cyps and expat venues have had to toe the line coz the inspectors have been round and are following up, fact, the ones that dont are in for a shock, I know personally a key member of the health dept and he is adament that the rules will be adhered to. He was at Tango to Bidda 2 weeks ago and they have changed their rules, lets not worry too much about it, lets just pop outside and have a puff (puff, not poof) and very soon it wont matter coz we will all be outside,

marcosthechef



Joined: 30/11/2009
Posts: 646

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 01:13

If a bar or restaurant is not gonna make it (in business) its not because of a smoking ban (tho that probably hasnt helped) its because of soooooo much other s**t that the authorities here put on it plus the ridiculous rents the land lords charge and the over supply of bars & restaurants and the prices the market will bear.



A Little reason / opinion why it just doesnt work here. Over 6 years ago, i owned a busy and successful restaurant in ozankoy and i sold Efes at 3.5 or 4 tl, since then it has gone up, to my knowledge at least 10 times from Efes and now, still, bars sell for 3.5 to 4 tl, less in some cases, how can this possibly work, Guidos, No15s and Filling station (Stumble Inn ) are prime examples, smoking or not, good luck too all you who are trying.

I will however do my utmost to keep supplying you with great quality wines at great prices to combat this economic slump, I can do no more than this, Serefe, Cheers and Yeksamesh XX

HildySmith


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Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 15:29

What a load of SELFISH crap!!!!

I was a smoker and when I smoked I accepted the fact that it was bad for me (I did not consider that it was bad for others - not as knowledgeable as now)

However, I did not mind inhaling my own smoke but even as a smoker I objected to standing at bars and getting other peoples smoke in my face and the smell of cigarettes on my clothes, in my hair and on everything I touched. I also worked as a bar-maid and had to put up with customer's smoke in my face - why - because I needed to feed my children and at the time this was the only work I could get which fitted in with caring for them.

Smokers never consider others (I didn't) but I have never smoked in a restaurant or where food is served. I hate smokers who leave their cigarette in an ash tray and move the ash tray away from them so it does not go in their face - nice one - saw that last week. I was in a bar last week who were happy to turn the no smoking sign round if I wanted a fag - refused!!!

HildySmith


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Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 15:33

if a bar or restaurant want to make a profit - forget the smoking aspect:

- serve good food

- serve good drink

- present a clean environment

- create a friendly happy atmosphere

- show your customers you care about the service you give them

- charge resonable prices

- SMILE at the customers

- TALK to the customers

THEY WILL COME IN AND THEY WILL COME BACK!!!!!!

everon


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 956

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 16:22

& make sure in winter its warm, we went for a meal and the waiters had anoraks on! what does that tell you! x

LooseBoots



Joined: 08/02/2009
Posts: 1258

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 16:28

Hey,



I started this thread, so I would like to finish it. I have not meant to offend anyone so sorry if I have . If we can respect each other , smoker and non - smoker alike then that will be a step in the right direction.

Again, sorry if I upset anyone.

authentichoccie


Joined: 09/01/2008
Posts: 481

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 16:33

As a non smoker I find the smoking ban a bit annoying to be honest! There you are having nice cosy meal and then your partner (or whatever!) gets up and clears off outside for a fag!! Leaving you sat like billy no mates coz everyone else is outside smoking as well!! Lol!!

proger1



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Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 16:41

Looseboots,

In my opinion you have no need to apologise. Your'e point was valid and understood.

I made the mistake of trying to defend smokers who do abide by the rules but get grouped in with those who don't.

I should be apologising to you for making things worse with my posts although that was not my intention.

I should have just ignored the post as I knew which direction it would go.

LooseBoots



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Posts: 1258

Message Posted:
26/02/2010 17:03

Thanks,

If we could only learn to respect each other i`m sure we would get on better.



Good will to all....................