[QUIZ-01] How many can you name?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 19:04

New history quiz! But since the "Medieval Cyprus Fellowship" (mcf.trnc@gmail.com ) is poverty-stricken I cannot offer an astonishing prize - I owe the winner a drink at Guido's Bistro in Alsancak. OK?

Here we go, the question: "How many castles and fortresses, once owned by the Lusignan family, can you name in Northern Cyprus?".

Answers in this thread before Sunday February 28, 8 pm, please!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 19:50

There were 4.



Kolossi

St. Hilarion

Castle of Kyrenia

Nicosia



Mines a Carlsberg Hans. )

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 20:31

RE msg 2, No1Doyen: (...) Mines a Carlsberg, Hans (...)

=> For the moment on your own tab, Bill... And please read the question again: ... in Northern Cyprus.

Only St Hilarion and Kyrenia are right. Kolossi castle is and Nicosia (more a palace than a castle) was located in South Cyprus.

japeal



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 20:36

Hans



is it 4

St Hilarion

Kantara

Kyrenia

Buffavento



John

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 20:45

Hans. I agree but they were in the north of Nicosia. )

proger1



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 20:56

I thought it was just St Hilarian, Buffavento and Kantara but you have also said that Kyrenia is correct so I think John is right.

DutchCrusader



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27/02/2010 20:56

RE msg 4, japeal: John, I agree with the four you mention - but (hint!) there were more castles/fortresses in Northern Cyprus.

RE msg 5, No1Doyen: Wrong. The Lusignan Royal Palace (castle) was in South Nicosia (now completely vanished) near the Paphos Gate.

japeal



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 21:12

Hans,



was Othello's a Castle which seems to be referred to as a tower nowadays if so that makes it 5



John

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 21:18

Othello's Tower

St Hilarion

Buffavento

Kantara

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 21:19

RE msg 8: Othello's Tower is a nickname (based on folklore: Shakespeare has never been in Famagusta). The castle is known as Famagusta Castle. Your answer, errm, well: OK!

japeal



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 21:27

Hans,



I got Othello's castle from following like on internet



http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/cyprus/OthelloCastle.html



John

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 21:29

Hans, do you know about the secret Castle?

japeal



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 21:35

That makes my submission 5 castles,



St Hilarion



Kantara



Kyrenia



Buffavento



Famagusta (othello'scastle)

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 21:41

RE msg 13: More, more, more!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 21:46

I say the number is 8. Although there may be more.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 21:49

Bill, you absolutely want me to pay for your beer, eh? But I don't want numbers, I want names.

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 21:55

hans, there is nothing in Shakespeares tragedy that would either cofirm or refute the traditional local association with Othello Tower.

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 21:56

sorry that should be "confirm"

Hatty


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:05

St. Hilarion

Kyrenia

Buffavento

Kantara

Castra

Sigouris

Famagusta

The fourth castle

Hatty


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:08

Omit the Fourth castle and add La Cava

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:09

Shakespeare wrote Othello in 1603. He probably stole the name from the Lusignan family. Typical of old Will. )

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:10

Hatty. You are quite close.

darrener2


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:16

Seven



Kyrenia

St Hilarion

Kantara

Buffavento

Gastria

Sigouris

Famagusta

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:19

darrener, you arealso very close.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:20

No... More!

darrener2


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:28

Now I am confused... who is the quizmeister??? lol

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:33

Hans is the quizmaster. I'm helping you out. It's more! )

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:36

Look. It's eight, but I forgot some of the names. I'm getting old!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:43

Darrener2: let there be no doubt: this moderator Bill, who keeps interfering and tries to take over, is to be ignored. I really should disqualify him, but his sad answers always make me laugh. And besides, he's not a competitor for any of you.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:47

Sorry for this double-post. It shouldn't be technically possible, but it happens sometimes. Or was it Bill again, showing his power as a moderator?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:48

I'm off out now Hans. Make no mistake I want half a point if I am correct in saying eight. )

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 22:56

Good night, Bill! And good night all! Maybe some sleep will wake you all up to the truth tomorrow...

darrener2


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 23:00

I suppose that the towers in the walls of the old town of Kyrenia are of military value and can be counted?

Round Tower

Beach Tower

Chain Tower

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
27/02/2010 23:47

Darrener2 maybe add "Kouklia Castle" to your list.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 00:10

Nitovikla Castle.



Also the one in Famagusta.

darrener2


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 00:10

dalartokat.

Thanks for your help (I certainly need it and you would think I was desperate for him to buy me a drink!!!), but DC may not be too happy about that. lol

As far as I am aware it is one of several 'crusader' castles in the south of the island.



D2

darrener2


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 00:18

Bill,

I believe Nitovikla 'castle' predates the Lusignans by some considerable time.

D2

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 09:26

Bill.. I 'guarantee' you that Kolossi isn't 'north' of Nicosia ;)

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 10:45

Sorry about that Darrener but I got that one from the website that DC advertises, oh well we can keep trying to get you that drink!!!

darrener2


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 11:46

Never mind Dalartokat, I appreciate the help. lol

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 12:17

Ah! The Brits unite again against me, eh? Well, I'm invited to a Sunday lunch and when I'm back I'll check how good you all are... By the way, did you also have a 6 hour power-cut like we had in Yesiltepe?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 12:34

RE msg 33: (...) I suppose that the towers in the walls of the old town of Kyrenia are of military value and can be counted? Round Tower Beach Tower Chain Tower (...)

=> No way. See my question in msg 1: ... castles and fortresses ... These towers (and there were fivce more than you mention!) belonged to the defensive wall around old Cerennia (Kyrenia).

RE msg 37: (...) I believe Nitovikla 'castle' predates the Lusignans by some considerable time. (...)

=> Understatement...

darrener2


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 13:35

DC,

I hope you were never, ever a teacher in a past life lol



I now feel totally undermined and discouraged by your responses to the valiant efforts to answer your questions in what I thought was going to be an educational experience for all participants.



I am very aware that your singular knowledge of this subject far and away outclasses our combined efforts but, you don't have to rub it in quite so hard.

Off to eat worms... Boo! Hoo! Hoo!



D2

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 14:12

D2. Let's get our own back and start asking Hans questions about the theory of relativity. )

darrener2


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 14:27

No1Doyen wrote "D2. Let's get our own back and start asking Hans questions about the theory of relativity."



Nah! He probably has a website called 'allrelativity.com' lol



D2

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 14:52

D2. We'll be in trouble when Hans gets back from lunch. )

darrener2


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 14:57

Then let us hope he enjoyed a good lunch and is feeling mellow. lol

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 15:14

Let's hope he had too much to drink and he's fell asleep! )

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 20:56

[continued]

More about the lesser known Lusignan castles in Northern Cyprus:

Gastria castle: http://www.allcrusades.com/CASTLES_COUNTRIES/castles_cyprus_overview-3.html

Fourt Fortress: http://www.cyprusdownload.nl/index_1.html and http://www.cyprusdownload.nl/mcf/ch_002_FFF/ch-txt-002.html

Sigouri(s) castle: http://www.allcrusades.com/CASTLES_COUNTRIES/castles_cyprus_overview-3a.html

Sorry, no winners this time - I'll buy and pay for a beer at Guido's myself...

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 21:06

Sunday, 8.33 pm. Sorry, msg 49 should have been msg 50 and this one is 49.

After a great Sunday lunch (Very good British invention! Thank you Sally and Neil for your fine hospitaliy and thank you Patsy and Huw for sharing this nice afternoon!) it is now time to end the suffering of some...

The castles/fortresses in random order (see question in msg 1) are: Kyrenia castle, St. Hilarion castle, Fourth Fortress, Buffavento castle, Kantara castle, Gastria castle, Famagusta castle and Sigouri(s) castle. There has been (most probably) many more strongholds of the Lusignan nobility, but they were demolished and have vanished. Castles were all owned by the Lusignan dynasty, because they didn't trust their nobles in Cyprus for one minute. In short: the Kings didn't want them to rise and defend themselves in impregnable castles. [more - but here my post went wrong!]

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 23:21

Hans. See my message 15. the answer, as stated is 8.



I think I get half a point and half a beer. )

darrener2


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 23:22

DC,

Now I am confused.

You have written elsewhere "...And remember: possibly as far back as 800 years ago Anglo-French soldiers walked here also! Nothing is known about the builders, the soldiers – just nothing."

I am unable to find irrefutible proof (even in your extensive writings) that this fortress was actually utilised by the Lusignan family. For this reason I omitted it from my list.

D2

darrener2


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Message Posted:
28/02/2010 23:25

Sorry, I was of course referring to the Fourth Fortress in my previous post.

D2

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
01/03/2010 10:29

Dear Mrs Darrener2: I knew of course I had some after-mumbling coming from this probably self-appointed moderator UK-Bill, about half points and half beers, but I'm very disappointed that you seem to join the chorus. This makes my job here extremely difficult and I'm considering now to adopt the rules of "The weakest link", with this fine example of British friendliness and democrasy (I forgot her name): "I'm the boss. Sh*t up and get out". And of course I offer to refund you your money as a participant in this history quiz.

Now for serious business (your msg 52): (...) actually utilised by the Lusignan family. (...). In my question in msg 1 I wrote "owned" and not "utilised". There is no question about it that this "Forgotten Fourth Fortress" in the Kyrenia mountains (at least as old as the start of the Lusignan dynasty) was owned by the Lusignans. [more]

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
01/03/2010 10:38

Error: democrasy = democracy

[continued]

In my lecture about this fortress (still available on CD or on the Internet ) I've made it clear that the lay-out of the fortress indicates a purely military purpose - watching the Mesoaria plain for invading forces from the direction of Güzelyurt. The luxury of the fortress must have been zero and definitely not fit for the Royal Lusignan family.

I hope this answers your remark and ends your confusion?

Kindest regards, DC (quizmaster, whatever UK-Bill says here...)

darrener2


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Message Posted:
01/03/2010 10:58

DC, I was under the impression you had already achieved the standards of the titan-haired termagant. lol



I am saddened you feel I am making your job more difficult but, with a little more flexibilty, encouragement of tentative participants and acceptance of the fact that some of us will inevitably indulge in light-hearted teasing, you may just find that your quizzes become more popular.



I do hope so. There is so much left for me to learn, and so little time... sigh!



D2 (Let's not be formal.)

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
01/03/2010 11:25

D2, your point is taken, you're so right! I'll buy a copy of The Sun today in order to learn how to please my readers - whether it be true or not what I write. "... more flexibilty, encouragement of tentative participants and acceptance of the fact that some of us will inevitably indulge in light-hearted teasing ..." and all that. Yes! I've seen the light this fine morning in Northern Cyprus! Have a nice day, D2!

Message for one of my four favourite Moderators (UK-Bill): Please close this thread. The subject has been addressed and absolutely didn't serve any purpose... This DC with his offensive language, frightening nice participants, must be stopped...