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alanbee


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hi

we are looking to buy a bungalow in kyrenia have looked at a number of eastate agents on internet. any recommrndations. coming over to NC in july only for a week so need to have contact with someone. have looked at few builders from other blogs ,but not many with bungalows. anyone have any builders to recomend.thanks



Aga Buyers A G


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Ian Smith Estates are very reliable



http://www.trncpropertywarning.freewebsites.com



regards

ABAG



Hot Hornet


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These are not recommendations at all, but you could try:

http://www.fraserandco.com/

http://www.iansmithestate.com/

http://www.henrycharlesestates.com/

http://www.donaghyandbeyler.com/

http://www.meridieshomes.com/home.php

http://www.sunbeamsestate.com/default.asp (also Tenas Construction who build and can find good plots, if you have the finance to buy land and have your own build - Ali Yemenci - good builder)



Also check out http://www.muteahhitlerbirligi.org//index.php?men=459&submen=0&cat=1&from=0 - this is North Cyprus' Registered Builders list, so even if you go through an estate agent, they should no problem in confirming that a particular development is being constructed by a registered builder.



ANYONE - Kofali - which has been really complimented several times by people, does not appear on this list - does anyone know why? Do they have another name perhaps?



rcroton


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I personally would reccomend Ian smith, a lady called Margot very helpful



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chrissie


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hi

i've just returned from NC and can recommend richard from the little villa company and sam butcher of merides - both extremely helpful and informative.

chrissie



legin


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Try Royal Crown estates. These boys, Huseyin and Bulent (two brothers) have taken all the stress out of purchasing a villa, and helped me and the wife EVERY step of the way.They are brilliant, and not at all pushy.

Website http://www.royal-crown-estates.com

Tel: 0090 392 816 0444

e-mail h.mertgil@royal-crown-estates.com



Good Luck

Best Regards

Nigel



Nunu1


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Hi Alanbee I personally recommend http://www.meridieshomes.com look at the web site it is very informative about all aspects of buying property in North Cyprus along with a large selection of property and land for sale.



Meridies are very professional and friendly ask for Sophie Butcher



Her and staff are all good and helpful including aftersales service.



Based in Karukum.



Best wishes



nunu1



mishmash


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Hi I would recommend Leventine Property Developers - Ian Smiths tend to sell their developments!



Littlenige



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Ian Smith Estates are very reliable and profesional



goonerstan



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i have 3bedroom bungalow, might save some dosh if intrested please email



PhilD


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can reccomend donaghy and bailey.

Very professional and helpful

Ask for Lindsay.



twiceasnice


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Hi Alanbee, dont want to appear pushy but we have a lovely bungalow in Ozankoy for sale. Bought thru Ian Smith and built by Ali Yemeneci 3yrs ago. Photos on the other board in Property for Sale section. http://www.phpbb88.com/northern cyprus. We are, like everyone else, open to offers. We have Kocan and all paperwork, all taxes paid. Could save a lot of hassle !! Whatever, hope you find what you're dreaming off !!

Please e-mail if interested.



wackyjim



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Its Ian Smith Estates for me....They were very professional and continue to be so long after I made the purchase. Margot very helpful!!



Jim



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We can highly recommend Donaghy & Beyler too!



alanbee


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thanks all will look at recomendations

alanbee



bakala


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what do you call 14 estate agents at the bottom of the sea ?



a good start !!!!



stan the man


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Try Donaghy and Beyler, they are pretty good



negativenick


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think you'd be better off and driving around and deal direct with the seller - greedy agents charging up to 10% as a fee...





Nick



cronos


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NegativeNick makes a very good point.

I wish I had driven round myself and talked to builders direct rather than using an Estate Agent as an intermediary.....we could have saved about £4000.

Estate agents are not in it to look after you and your interests....they are in it for themselves!

This is not just a North Cyprus observation obviously!

Some Estate Agents have very good reputations and I'm not suggesting you avoid them per se....just weigh up the pros and cons.



negativenick


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mess 19 - i think most of us wish this...



Nick



SaorAlba


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Private sale every time. Go and ask locals what's for sale or even knock at the door of a house you fancy. There's a lot to be said for Turkish Cypriots estate agents who hear what's happening on the grapevine.



No1Doyen


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Ian Smith. Speak to Kate.



Paulkay


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Do not touch Donaghy and Beyler,they still have a £1000 dept of mine and have not returned it yet.

Will post and tell all about it if they do not send it back by this Thursday 15th.



keithcaley



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Messages 18 & 19,

All very well, but Professional sellers are required by law to sell through estate agents.

You would need to find a builder who was financially stable (not so common) yet who built below the threshold number of houses per annum.

Best of Luck!



Hector


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Personally I wouldn't recommend buying property in NC, full stop. If you had to then don't buy anything other than a resale on pre 74 Turkish title land, where the seller has the Kocan (preferably non TC so no problems getting the kocan i.e. not being near army land, or refused because of pre 74 Turkish title). Also is connected to mains water & electricity with meters, has a completed road, is no where near where they might build a dual carriageway or electric pylon.

I bought through a registered TC estate agent

http://www.cyprusroyalestates.com/

only a minor problem of being refused PTP (pre 74 Turkish title and near an army base).



SaorAlba


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Hector,



I agre. Cyprus Royal Estates I found to be open and honest, along with Ozel Ongut Estates.



PP



Chicken Run


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Be careful as it looks like some of the above are really struggling. Donaghy and Beyler have closed 3 of their 4 offices in the last 2 weeks, including their flagship office opposite Astro... they now opperate from 1 office in Catalkoy now i believe. Frazer/Meridies have also closed all their offices bar a small one in town. Landmark have closed down... Korinia, North Coast and others have all downsized their offices. Seems to me that only the big boys like Ian Smith, unwins and Henry charles are going strong.



Anyway... good luck with your search Alan.



deecyprus4


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I wouldnt use any of them, they are all a shower of greedy money grabbing bar stewards..deal direct...



joandjelly


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I would have thought that closing down the extra offices is actually a shrewd move as there is no point in running 4 offices in the current market. Ian Smith and Henry Charles only have 1 office (I believe) so it isn't really an indicator of strength. I would imagine that all the agents are struggling in one way or another.



glw215


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Hi, As message 25 and 26 suggest you talk to Altan or Zeynel at Royal Estates - 0392 815 7192.



Chicken Run


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msg 29 - JandJ



Maybe you're right... but if it was me I would want to deal with an agent that will still be there in 12 months time.



msg 28 - Dee



You've obviously had problems, otherwise you wouldn't be so bitter, but dealing direct with the builder isn't always the best way.



deecyprus4


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Chicken run I am never bitter, just think the EA here are greedy and I hope they all taking a caneing.



negativenick


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can't see the point of having an agent - i'd deal direct with the seller.





Nick



guinness


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Recommend Green Paradise Homes. They are local family run and been there a few years.



They have a small construction company within the family and they tend to build mostly bungalows. Nowhere have I ever come across a complaint about them.



Hazan is the lady who deals with sales, speaks great English and is an office holder of the estate agents assn. (Some may laugh at that but she is very responsible about what the assn should be doing and the standards that they should uphold - and she does have high standards in her business!)



HTH



Guin



Amber


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Would recommend Sunbeams in Karaoglanoglu, partners with Ali Yemeneci - Tenas Construction.



http://www.sunbeamsestate.com



Aga Buyers A G


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Kate or Margot at Ian Smiths are to be recommended



fire starter


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aga buyers shame on you.

no estate agent can be trusted, they all have a vested interest!



we had ian smith value our house about 2 years ago.

and the rest is history, i wouldn't trust him at all.



doughnuts40


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Firestarter,



Why not?



joandjelly


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Hi Chicken Run I agree about wanting to deal with an agent who will still be around in 12 months but it's interesting that from Fraser/Meridies Iain Fraser used to be half of Fraser and Beyler (obviously now Donaghy and Beyler) when we bought in 2004, he then set up on his own as Fraser & Co and is now Fraser/Meridies. Henry Charles estates used to be run by Henry Charles but he left and set up as Mr Charles and that's just 2/3 of the original "big boys". H&B have been around since before 2004 and seem pretty clued up.



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Yep spill the beans Firestarter, unless things have changed at Ian Smiths then I have been and will always be happy to recommend them.

AJ



bakala


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Do not under any circumstances buy off plan, or a part built. Do not buy pre74 Turkish title because the HBPG are reporting a disproportionate refusal rate on Permission to buy,



So even if itís a resale and its Turkish title you may never get permission to own it. Look on the HBPG website for more info.



Buy only a resale, ensure they have the Kocan. If itís someone selling who say they are waiting for PTB, Check up because they may be selling because they have been refused PTB, IF they have been refused PTB you may be refused too.



Make sure all taxes are paid you donít want any nasty surprises down the line. Avoid estate agents and save the commission, a resale seller will be only too happy to sell directly.



Exchange land is the safest bet





Recap



Buy a resale, must have Kocan, all taxes paid, Not Turkish title,



Go for the dream and live it, it is a great life here if you avoid the minefield



bakala


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Alsancakjack



I am very suspicious of builders and hyper suspicious of estate agents

However Ian Smith does seem to be the best of a bad bunch.



Henry Charles estates did have a good rep too, until one day Old Henry turned up for work at the office and found out his Cyp partner had fiddled the paperwork somehow and taken over the business,



SO Henry Charles now has no Henry Charles involvement, and the company just uses his good name to run a bad business, it is getting bad reports,



Old Henry has set up again i believe as Charles estate agents somewhere west of Girne, Henry is from the old school, he wonít deal with bad builders, that why the falling out with his partner happened.



bakala


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I received notice yesterday that my PTP has been approved and the Title holder is ready to transfer title so it looks like the last hurdle is complete for me anyway!



I bought one of nine villas on a small estate in Ozankoy, the one i bought was complete at the time of contract signing, i refused to consider off plan or part built,

My Own purchase has gone pretty smooth, a few problems with the builder, a demand that unless i released the snagging money (£5000) he would cut off electric and water etc, My advocate told him if he did there would be an injunction on the whole site of nine villas and he wouldnít be able to sell another villa until the injunction was lifted, The builder (TETI Construction Turkey) backed off



The key to property buying here i believe is to start with a good lawyer. My advocate is Naomi Mehmet Girne, My builder thought because she was a woman he could push her around, boy did he get a shock!



bakala


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The usual contract to buy is a few pages long and in some cases one page , the contract she drew up for me is 19 pages long, the other 8 people on my estate had to pay (£800 each towards the cost of Transformers for electric) i didnít because my contract stated i pay only for meter connection.



I dealt with the builder directly no estate agent involved,



I did get Richard from the Little Villa company to do a survey on the villas before i made up my mind to buy, Richard was the construction engineer on the canary Warf project so he knows about good and bad builds,



i offered to pay Richard for his opinion, in his opinion it was a good build if anyone was going to say itís no good, then he would, because he obviously wanted to sell me one of his villas,



bakala


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His positive survey on my Villa resulted in a potential lost sale for him. He had no connection with my Builder; in fact he didnít know they existed until i took him to the site. Though in his opinion it was a good build, Richard confided in me ďdonít take the builders word for anything ď



I also had Richard present at the time we drew up the contract, he had some input and helped with Naomi to make me a watertight contract. I believe Naomi used my contract as a template for all following contracts after that period.



My own opinion and it is just an opinion is that Naomi Mehmet is the best Advocate in Girne,



bakala


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The only estate agent i would consider dealing with, to buy or sell, is Richard at the little villa company (and i am Hyper suspicious of estate agents, who i believe are the first link in the scamming chain) Richard will not deal with bad builders.



I am not sure if Richard would want to do what he did for me for anyone else, I asked Richard because i had been in contact with him over the internet before coming to live on the island,



He did it because i had been in contact with him and he knew that if i was going to use an estate agent it would be him.



bakala


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In my opinion the crooked estate agents and bent lawyers are as much to blame as the scamming builders for the state of the TRNC building slump.

I did a lot of homework before i came to the island, including advice and opinions from maybe 50 expat Brits that had already done what i planned to do.



To those many people i can only say my success is largely due to their advice and tales that steered me through the property minefield



As a first step to buying employ the best advocate, Naomi Mehmet in my opinion, she puts the client first.



If you have to deal with an estate agent talk to Richard at the little Villa company.hes the only honourable man i know, in a seemingly dishonourable profession.



Chessman


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We bought from Ian Smith. We needed some help and information AFTER we had moved in and they had no problem in helping us and will continue to do so if necessary. First class IMO.



Turbo


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Ian Smith gets my vote too .. very professional.



Aga Buyers A G


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the only reason behind our post is that they are members of the NAEA and you may have redress in the UK (however small) if you have a problem . They are the only Agents who are members of a British Organisation



negativenick


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mes 47 - we did lots of research old boy, but the Brits that encouraged us had been lead up the garden path too !!



If we could all re-wind the clock i wonder how many of us would:



a) Be here, but rented..



b) Have bought here..



c) Stayed in the UK



d) Moved to another country without the problems associated with buying property in TRNC.



Answers on a postcard..



Nick



Stewart


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Hi, I only use Halil at: http://www.northcypruspropertyconsultants.com

He is English Cypriot, alot of local Cypriot use him, and the local developers trust him, he often has property that other agents do not have.

I have always found him, honest and eager to please.



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A lot of posters have been praising Agent 'A, B or C' and especially staff 'X,Y,Z'.



How will they feel if those Agents (Registered but not Regulated!) suddenly disappear overnight to start operations in Dubai,.. Bolivia,.. or Botswana??





The same thing has been happening in Spain, France, Bulgaria, etc, etc,... even in the UK!





I can understand people recommending a builder,... but an Agent??





(p.s. I was an Estate Agent many years ago, so I know how they work. They can open and close overnight without any liability whatsoever.)





'Caveat Emptor'







Still love owning in the TRNC though!





ROB



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well from a personal poit of view, I bought through Unwins..... no problems whatsoever..... sale went smoothly, friendly knowledgable staff, good aftersales . Well recomended!



bakala


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Kibris



Get on your knees and thank your god whoever it is, Thank him for not letting you end up with nothing for your money.



I woud call it divine intervention that you didnt end up scammed.



In other words an Unwins satisfied customer ? i wonder what went wrong !!



Think about it !



.



Kibris


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get off the bandwagon bakala, i'm sure there are more satisfied customers of unwins than dissatisfied! THINK ABOUT IT!



bakala


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Sorry Kibris



you have the right to sing the praises of Unwins, If you are indeed a satisfied customer ( and not an Unwins stooge )



I only respond to that praise



I have the right to do otherwise and warn the unwary that dealing with Unwins has a higher than normal chance of ending in misery!



I have no doubt that some of unwins sales end up ok, but far too many dont and end in misery.



..



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Of course you are right Rob. Anyone can open an Estate Agents. You don't need any qualifications and nobody regulates you.



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Of course you are right Rob. Anyone can open an Estate Agents. You don't need any qualifications and nobody regulates you.



bakala


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Kibris an honest question



what percentage of cutomers who end up paying £100k and end up with nothing does an estate agent have to have before you would say dont deal with them ?



if there are roughly 25% of an esate agents customers who have nothing to show for their money is that acceptable to you ?



because it would not be acceptable to those 25% !



Many customers who ended up with nothing are forbidden to broadcast it because they are going through courts to try and get money back, it would damage their case if they were identified so many of them dont talk on the boards



this in reality disguises the numbers involved and only helps to keep the scams going.



My motive in speaking out is to ensure people stay away from the unscrupulous scammers who already have a record of failed contracts,



dont blame me for speaking out, blame, them, they took the money and caused the misery.









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barnaclebill


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Bakala,

The only estate agent i would consider dealing with, to buy or sell, is Richard at the little villa company (and i am Hyper suspicious of estate agents, who i believe are the first link in the scamming chain) Richard will not deal with bad builders.



In my opinion the crooked estate agents and bent lawyers are as much to blame as the scamming builders for the state of the TRNC building slump.



When you make statements like these how many estate agents did you actually deal with to enable you to tar every estae agent with the same brush.There are other estate agents out there who work dam hard and as the villa company do wont deal with dodgy builders .By all means promote someone who is good(in your opinion)but dont pulldown all estate agents en-mass.Totally agree with you regards Naomi,my first solicitor here was sh---e but i dont say tar them all with the same brush.Its rash statements like yours that scare people off.My opinion of course!!



barnaclebill


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Balka a honest Question for you



Your an estate agent a new project comes on the market,the builder has other projects behind him planning etc in order.



You start marketing this project ,sell a few ,18 months down the line the builder goes bust



What would you do??? would you class that EA as a rip off merchant



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we have a large 200 sq mt bungalow for sale in private location.

Please call 0533 8414284 for further details



Bradus


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To pull a scam it appears to involve or need the joint co-operation of lawyers and EA's, isn't that why the HBPG recommend never using the same advocate as the builder is using?



Notably many of the well publicised scams have involved the partnership of the same EA and advocate. Coincidence?



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Barnaclebill



I bought from the builder i didnít use an estate agent ! i couldnít find one i could believe



I talked to many estate agents ( more than 20 ) before i bought, i found them to be deceptive at best and complete liars at worst,



That was 3 years ago. The last 3 years has only confirmed my opinion



My own research of over a year told me 3 things.



donít believe a builder a lawyer or an estate agent.



I could get my villa without an estate agent,

but not without a lawyer and not without a builder. so i chose the best i could find of both.



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I chose based on research : Naomi Mehmet and TETI construction, TETI donít build here anymore and have moved operations back to Turkey .



I Got my PTP through a week ago ( well done Naomi ) and a meeting is set to sign over the title deeds next week, the builders TETI rang me to confirm that i am available at Naomiís Office next week to Transfer Title deeds, they are booked to fly out Thursday ( thank you TETI )



I didnít use Richard as an estate agent, i used him to Survey my villa during the latter stages of the build to confirm the build quality before i bought it. It was having finishing touches when i bought.



Richard obviously wanted me to buy one of his villas so he could easily have said my villa was no good to get me to buy one of his. He didnít do that, his opinion was, ďit was a very good build,Ē he didnít know the builder existed, until i took him to the site



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Richard was the contract engineer on canary Warf so he knows about Build quality thatís why i employed him to do the survey.



Richard also sat in on my meeting with Naomi as we wrote the contract, The contract is 19 pages long and about as watertight as you can get. Richard had some very useful input into the writing of the contract.



My own opinion of Richard is he is the only honourable man i know of in a dishonourable profession and i stick to that opinion,



I have never heard one complaint from a buyer of Richardsí and he sells lots of villas, there are a lot of builders he wonít deal with, he says itís not worth the hassle or the bad reputation you get, So he has his own list of good builders.



By the way i am not promoting Richard as a ď must have estate agentĒ find a builder yourself by all means but if you see a villa you like of Richardsí i can guarantee it will get built and good quality too



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Heís a great guy to do a survey and a good choice to sit in on a contract meeting



You wouldnít buy a house in the UK without a survey would you? Why do it here then ?



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Barnaclebill



Builders dont go bust by magic there are signs

and there are stage payments so the buyer has exactly what hes paid for

in other word he pays for the land then he pays for half a build and the builder goes bust and cant complete,



thats not good but its not too bad. because the buyer has the land and he has a part build that hes paid for, he still has money he hasent paid and gets another builder to finish the job.



its the builder who takes all the money mortgages the land and doesent build anything that is the real scammer and the esate agent who continues to use that same builder a second time for a different customer is as much to blame !



and we all know which estate agent does that dont we ?



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There is a very simple way of testing the honesty of an estate agent if you are a buyer !



i tried it and only one passed the test



Richard at the little villa company.



think about it



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and no i have no connection at all with the little villa company.



or any other esate agent

But i suspect a few on here do !



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Bradus you are right



The biggest scam up to now is the AGA saga



There is one well known parent and sibling advocates that had heavy involvement and all of their clients lost money, they still operate as parent and sibling now, so anyone who reads this stay clear of any advocates that sounds anything like parent and sibling vegetables



Of course the well known estate agent Onions (oops may have spelt it wrong)

We all know who they are. Onions continued to feed clients into the AGA money machine long after it was obvious AGA was in trouble, up to now they have not returned a single penny of the hundreds of thousands of pounds they took in commission for houses not built.





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If this had happened in the UK they would have all been in Jail for fraud or the more serious charge of conspiracy to defraud Conspiracy is deemed more serious because itís premeditated and planned.



Onions broke ranks with the other scammers late in the Saga there are stories available as to their departure from the sinking ship ,



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(1 ) a falling out among thieves over divisions of loot, ( very possible going on probable)



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(2) the jungle drums said that the phoney photos supplied by Onions to get stage payments made early, hadnít impressed one buyer who turned up and found his phoney photo of a nearly complete house was still at the foundation stage, the buyer was in contact with some other buyers and the poo was obviously heading for the fan, so Onions bailed out quick. ( very possible also probable )



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(3) Onions found out AGA were in trouble and did the only honourable thing and disassociated themselves from the whole shameful scam,



intending to alert all their clients who were still pouring money into AGA and return all commissions taken on villas not built,



unfortunately one of the onions was abducted by aliens and they all forgot to alert their clients and return the commissions.



(The alien abduction bit sounds possible going on maybe ! the rest of it is shite ! )



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Welcome to bakala44!



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Bakala... you need to get a life mate. You sat up from 3.30am to 5am talking to yourself on a chat board!!!! LMAO



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bakala, the chicken does have a point!! i think a straight jacket is needed, the men in white coats are coming to get you....



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it might have been 3 30 where you were it wasent 3 30 where i was !



and just for the record i often compose off line in word and cut and paste when i am connected



we only live in the same corner of the world some of the time. you are obviously are stuck here !



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Chicken run which stooge are you ?

Onions stooge Aga stooge ?



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by the way my post was aimed for Bradus not for you two plebs .



if you dont like it dont read it !



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try Kaz at North Coast Estates Girne, nice bloke and we have found him genuine ! he has helped us negotiate with builders and sourced various bits n pieces for us ! not that we are incapable of negotiating ourselves he was just very helpful and yes we know he gets commission but a mans gotta eat and most of us get paid for what we do ! allbeit poorley in my case !!!!

give him a try i,m sure you,ll be pleasantly surprised !

mrs snakes and I first went into Select estates and asked for a "typical Mediterranean style villa" when we returned the next day they had been confused and had been arguing amongst themselves as to what we meant !!!!!!!! lost a bit of confidence in them !! we then were taken on a jeep race by a couple of reps who thought it would be funny to race each other to see who could get to the property quickest and yes the property couldnt be further away from what we wanted !! one does wonder how they survive if they do of course !!!

regards



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Chicken run Msg 27

Landmark have NOT closed down, on the contrary they seem to be going from strength to strength - they've just moved to bigger premises at Karakum to the east of Girne. We used them for our house purchase last year and they were extremely helpful, Nothing was too much trouble, they let me go in & use their wireless internet till mine was working & I still call in for a coffee whenever I'm passing by.

Sandra & Sharron are very friendly & helpful.

Maggie & Bernie



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Can i just say that trncc does not work for Unwins despite his constant effort to keep us at the top of the threads.



trncc - Didnt this type of posting back fire on you last night also??



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And yet you are still going.



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Unwins, we can highly recommend them through personal experience.

Rebecca at Unwins acted as our agent when we bought our apartment from Fikri Terkan We told her the deal we wanted from the agent she negotiated the deal and we got the deal. We can not complain at all, Rebecca let us know what was happening althrough the process to comletion and is still being extremely helpfull now providing great after sales service.

I don't name and shame although I could when it comes to some of the agents that is not my place, but I would rather just give credit were credit is due.



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trncc



Have you ever worked in a circus???



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trncc



You are the clown



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apc have a look at the dates posted,this was ages ago



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91 posts so far ,and all that needs to be said is "DON'T DO IT"!!!!



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apc2010 what are you up to??



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MIght be worth mentioning 'lonely' agent at the moment???



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