The R.O.C. just don't know when to stop

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
19/03/2010 10:26

Full story here:



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/no-advice-yet-state-echr-ruling/20100318



AJ

Groucho



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Message Posted:
19/03/2010 10:35

That's because they now find themselves up you-know-which-creek without a paddle having promised their compatriots that the waiting game they were playing was to their advantage!



Well my heart bleeds for them... er, no it doesn't.



Now they will have to come clean and tell it like it is.. which will make a change.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 10:42

Actually, AJ, I get the impression that they are frozen like rabbits - in the middle of the road - with an oncoming car blinding them - rendering them incapable of making the 'wise' move... to 'save' themselves..



I note the DISY leader is now suggesting what *I* said five years ago.. TEST Turkey out.. !



GOD I wish that man had been the leader back in APRIL 2004 ..I'm sure Annan would have got through and it would have been negotiated in faith by the GC side.. not left to the UN tram .. so as Lialotopoulos could 'cry' on TV an con his people that he could deliver a better deal...

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 11:07

Quite right, Mark - had the idiots listened to Anastassiades re Annan, the whole ludicrous shambles of a mess might well have been resolved by now!



But Mr Liealotopoulos was EOKA and they're still all taught and made to sing EOKA songs from the cradle, school and church - and so their mindless mindset continues...

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 11:22

Dear Tenakoutou



re msg 4



You need to remember that EOKA ( first incarnation ) was a movement seeking the removal of the British as rulers .. when other colonies were gaining independence - the UK wanted to hang on to it's bases..



EOKA_B was something quite different ...

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 11:26

A LAWSUIT against Turkey has been filed for the first time in a court of the Republic of Cyprus for occupation of properties in the north owned by the Shacolas Group of companies worth millions of euros.

The lawsuit was filed on Tuesday by lawyers Andis Triandafyllides and Achilleas Demetriades on behalf of the Shacolas Group which has properties in the occupied districts of Nicosia, Kyrenia, and Famagusta.

The lawyers filed a case against the Turkish Republic, noting that these properties are the exclusive property of the Group to which Turkey has no right, adding that it has been illegally blocking the owners from using the properties since 1974.

Triantafyllides was quoted in Phileleftheros saying that this was a civil case similar to the Orams case regarding a disagreement over property ownership. His clients are seeking compensation for loss of use and illegal interference since 1974.

The lawyers plan to serve summons to Turkey via a Turkish embassy in another EU member state.

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
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Message Posted:
19/03/2010 11:27

Hey sixems, are those rabbits sitting in the middle of the road being blinded by the light coming from that UN tram?

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 11:29

So what the heck is that all about? Surely the R.O.C. government should be reigning in all of these mavericks that think that they can ride rough shod over everyone else.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 11:55

mmmmmm/Msg 5 - Dear Mark,



Thank you for your reminder!



I've only lived in RoC for 23 years, so I don't know much.......granted if I'd been 'in solitary', I wouldn't know much, either!



My GC partner, in our diving/underwater photography business, fled from Famagusta when the jets started strafing, lived in a tent on the Mesaoria Plain, then walked with his mother,baby in arms, and two sisters, all the way to Paphos.



What happened and who is to blame has been told to me by both him and the rest of his family - they know that what is now 'RoC', should bear the highest proportion of the blame for their own ills - so much self-inflicted.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 12:05

AlsancakJack, the lawsuit against Turkey is not similar to the Orams case, which was a trespass case, it's similar to all the other cases against Turkey for being the occupiers who are refusing GCs access to their land. Unlike the Orams case, where the judgement in the RoC was applied in the UK, the next step, I believe, would have to be the ECHR, which has already ruled that the IPC is now the only route for property claims. It's an attempt to restart the fear created by the Orams case and to challenge the idea that the IPC is the ONLY route for property claims.

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 13:27

The RoC is now in a perilous state



It can't afford to compensate TCs in the same manner as the IPC

Greece is broke, and can't bail them out, whilst the north has a large and prosperous benefactor

The years of lies their leaders told the gullible population and now shown as such

Property in the RoC returned via the IPC to GCs will not be recognised by the RoC

What a mess

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 13:43

As it happens ROC as a full member state of the Euro-zone will probably have to dip into their pockets to bail out mainland Greece... unless they too lied about the status of the indebted-ness.



Heaven forfend, they couldn't have done that could they?

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 14:12

Groucho,

I don't believe it, the Greek Cypriots can never tell a lie. That is true, they tell lies as a pack and not just a single one.



Back to the original point, I am not sure what they are trying to do. Turkey will refuse to appear in the kangaroo court of the south and sure enough the judgement will go against Turkey. What next? Now this is the interesting part. When the Loizidou judgement was out many years ago the GCs all got excited and they thought they could impound on the Turkish Airlines planes and sell them off. Will they apply to British courts for the sale of assets belonging to Turkey? What will happen if Turkish Cypriots sue ROC in Turkey and get similar results. Then they may open their ports to GC ships and airlines only to impound them when they land!!! Sorry, ROC is a very small fish on the international arena, they should not bite more than they can chew.

ismet

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 14:30

Just a portion of the revenue Turkey is earning for building the Yank 'jump jets' would buy the whole of the South outright, never mind generously settle GC compensation claims.



I can't understand why Turkey just doesn't fly a coupla three F16's along the RoC's southern coast - that would effectively stuff RoC's tourist trade!



When Saddam tried to hit Dhekelia with a missile, which (allegedly) fell short into the sea off Cape Greco, everyone panicked, big-time, and all the tourists were flown out within a coupla days!

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 14:52

apparently a lot of people are being put off from buying property in the south because they don't know which part of the island is safe. Every time they hear of cases like the Orams they just see CYPRUS in the headlines and then steer clear of buying either side.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 15:27

Malsancak,

Did you hear the joke about communists in Turkey? Early in the fifties when Turkey joined NATO, some Americans were stationed in Izmir, Turkey. In those days "communism" was the biggest sin in Turkey. A policeman heard a Turk and an American heatedly discussing communism and arrested both of them. The American protested that he was "anti-communist" but the policeman was adamant to carry on with the arrest. The police retorted back: "I don't care, communism of every kind is illegal in Turkey including anti-communism".

ismet

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
19/03/2010 15:36

Ismet, that made me

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 17:10

good one, Ismet

hattikins


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Message Posted:
19/03/2010 17:35

Anyone else getting this message when they try to post a new topic, sorry to take this thread off topic.



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Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 17:43

Msg 16:



Has that 'communism' law been repealed yet in Turkey, Ismet?



If not, then the Turkish Secret Service should hop over the border and grab Xtofias by the 'short & curlies' - arrest him on the grounds that his 'communist doctrine is impeding a Cyprus settlement'!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
19/03/2010 18:34

msg. 20

In the past I always said that communism will be legal in Turkey when Russians switch over to capitalism. It became true after glassnot, the Communist Party in Turkey is not illegal any more.

ismet