[CYPRUS] When Karşiyaka, Lapta and Alsancak did not exist..!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/03/2010 20:58

Have you ever wondered why you can live on your land between the sea and the mountains?

Here's why and how (click link): http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/Cyprus_rising_72_90.jpg

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
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Message Posted:
22/03/2010 22:17

... and what exactly did you edit Hans? - this is a copy directly from one of Bill's books.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/03/2010 22:28

RE msg 2,m Jetski: (...) this is a copy directly from one of Bill's books. (...)

=> Indeed? No it is not. The source is given, but I removed the handwritten text (couldn't scan it as grayscale, it remained too vague when converted to 72dpi) and used Photoshop and Graphicconverter to edit the text. And your point is?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/03/2010 22:47

By the way, Jetski, you do know that it's not allowed to have more than one identity on this board? Ask the landlord of the Aeria Bar about it.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/03/2010 23:07

Hans

I did not realise you had another 'cyber stalker', still I am sure Jetski means well.

Don't forget free beer for you next time.

AJ

Jetski


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Message Posted:
22/03/2010 23:25

My point is Hans, that you are passing off Bill Dreghorn's work as your own (albeit saying that you have 'edited' it). And I have only a single forum identity - I'm sure an admin has the necessary access to confirm. I'm not 'stalking' you. Just ensuring that you take the whatever credit is due to you. Stop being paranoid.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/03/2010 23:42

You're splitting hairs, Jetski/John. As usual. Paranoid? I don't need such advice from anonymous "contributors".

KarmiGirl


Joined: 20/11/2007
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
23/03/2010 06:01

It doesn't seem to me that Dutch Crusader is trying to pass anyone's work off as his own. He has cited his source in the diagram and it's clear to a reader that the drawings were done by William Greghorn. To edit text so it is readable only enhances and clarifies the document. I guess ideally, Dutch Crusader would add the title of the book and date for copyright issues, but for the purposes of this forum, I think he's in good standing.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
23/03/2010 08:29

RE msg 8, KarmiGirl: There was no reason not to give additional information, but it wouldn't have helped in any way. The booklet is called "Rocks and scenery in the Kyrenia region", published in 1971 by "the Public Information Office on behalf of the Cyprus Council for Nature Conservation c/o Forest Department, Ministry of Agriculture and Natural Resources (Republic of Cyprus)". It was meant to help promote the movement of Nature Conservation (a follow-up on the Council of Euriope's 1970 proclamation of 1970 as "Nature Conservation Year".

The 1971 booklet is long out of print and I only could buy it after a long search, helped my Turkish Cypriot bookhandler in London, who keeps an eye on 'all old and new books about Cyprus' for me. That's it, I hope this information makes everybody happy.

P.S. As far as I understand the late Dr William "Bill" Dreghorn, who spent many years of his life promoting Cyprus and who loved Northern Cyprus, like I do [more]

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
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Message Posted:
23/03/2010 08:51

Jetski. Passing it off as his own? Well I did not get that impression.



Very interesting - thanks Hans.



Patientia est a donum superum.

KarmiGirl


Joined: 20/11/2007
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
23/03/2010 09:04

Sounds like a great book to have in your library and a collector's item at that! I'm envious! I'm enjoying your historical postings and would like to thank you. Piques the imagination of what this magical island must have been like. Truly, I did not want to antagonize you, but rather was trying to be supportive.

wanderer


Joined: 05/02/2009
Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
23/03/2010 09:18

Hans thanks for that I was wondering about the terracing at the top of the mountains thinking why should or how it was there

Now I know many thanks

decanddyl


Joined: 17/01/2009
Posts: 792

Message Posted:
23/03/2010 09:29

Hi Hans,

I have always wondered why when digging the garden half way up a mountain we constantly find

hundreds of little shells well now I know thank you.



Mrs D

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
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Message Posted:
23/03/2010 10:14

Hans - sorry if I caused you any offence. In the halls of academe it is usual, if referencing somebody elses work to cite the source document - not leave it to the reader to find it. I'm sure you'd be upset if you found one of your publications on the net in 'edited' form without reference to yourself. Not griping - just saying what is professional. Thanks for citing the document in a later post. The book is available in the bookshop near the new Ledra St crossing. Dreghorns' publication 'Landforms in Kyrenia range' gives a more detailed explanation of the structures along the coast if interested.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
23/03/2010 10:38

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, he would have been glad with all promotion of (Northern) Cyprus.

I find Jetski's suggestion of 'stealing his work' or a similar suggestion malicious and appalling. But I know that this member for one reason or another is not a friend of mine, which he has shown in other messages.

P.S. Dr "Bill" Dreghorn is (afaik) the only Westerner who in TRNC had a street named after him (Famagusta).

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
23/03/2010 10:40

Posts are now crossing - I think enough has been said and explained.

Barbarians


Joined: 22/10/2009
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Message Posted:
23/03/2010 11:06

Does it matter where the information came from - Dutch is trying to be informative as is his walks around Kyrenia. Keep going, the more information the better because some people do put some useless or nasty text on the this site and I thought that being informative is better than slagging each other off!!

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
23/03/2010 15:42

Actually Barbarians it DOES matter wher the info came from. If you quote info without citing a reference source and that info subsequently proves to be wrong, who ends up looking the prat?

Barbarians


Joined: 22/10/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
23/03/2010 17:25

Then its just a mistake

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
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Message Posted:
23/03/2010 23:57

Dutch just carry on and ignore them. Your articles are interesting and informative which is more than can be said for most of the prattle on this forum!!