Call to ban smoking in all vehicles.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 10:28

Doctors have called for a smoking ban in all vehicles after a new report revealed passive smoking causes at least 22,000 new cases of asthma and wheezing in children every year.



Surely they should put a ban on children driving first. )

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 10:30

Open the car windows, then!

breezyboy


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Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 10:34

Maybe £2 on a pack in this afternoon's budget would help this and the economy.

ClaireCat44



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Posts: 739

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 11:08

In England.

matula


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 11:23

Message 3---Killjoy !

roblyn


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 11:26

No1doyan

Couldn't stop laughing at your post!!!

breezyboy


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Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 11:33

Matula, you can smoke tobacco, cannabis or heroin if you want to, but do it a long way from me please.

The other question is should people be stopped from smoking in doorways. The answer from me is a resounding yes. Coming out of buildings and being forced to walk through a cloud of smoke is just so thoughtless on the part of the smokers.

In the last two years I have had cancer twice. At both Clatterbrige Oncology unit on the Wirral and Preston Royal CT unit, I was met by a huge cloud of smoke every time I came out of the doors. There are some very strange people around!

Deniz1


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Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 11:50

Why dont all governments just ban tobacco full stop.Because they dont want to lose the revenue thats why. But if it is a dangerous as everyone says it should be banned.

nurseawful



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Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 12:18

Surely smokers have rights as well?



Chris

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 13:03

As a nurse Im suprised at that answer, think non smoking children have rights as well!! ....

Troodo


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 13:13

Passive smoking is a myth, as many scientists would tell you if they could get a word in and not have their budget stopped and their carriers threatened. Wake up it is the same as global warming, one big con that the sheep lap up.



Patientia est a donum superum

scruff


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 13:28

Here we go again. Deju Vu.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 14:50

Passive smoking a myth? since when? Who are these 'many scientists' who tell you that it is not harmfull? Scientists make a lot of statements, some with a lot of evidence, a lot just because they want to be heard as a new name.......



Passive smoking is horrible and I am one that had to put up with it for years as a child, it certainly injured my health as a child and I still have the effects, so please dont come the 'no harm' in passive smoking......

Dusterbruce


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Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 15:53

Troodo



My parents both smoked so the house was always full of smoke. We are talking about the 1950's now, when the dangers were not realised. By the time I was 3 years old I was hospitalised with pneumonia, caused by passive smoking, and have had weak lungs all my life



Tony

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 16:07

Dusterbruce, sorry to hear you too suffered as I did, the effects are with me too for life..



Just cannot believe that any one can say that passive smoking is ok, to subject children to this, to my mind is down right ignorance, as you say in the 50s every one smoked as it was a poor mans way of releasing their tensions......

Sandcastle


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 215

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 16:16

If smokers want to smoke they have every right to.



But then the same should go for non smokers. Children are non smokers and have a right to grow up in a smoke free environment until they are old enough to decide for themselves.



As I non smoking adult, I also should have the right to choose not to smoke but be able to go out and make that choice instead of being forced to smoke other peoples smoke. I can make the choice of getting in somebody elses car for a lift. Kids have to do as theiy are told.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 16:40

iN italy you face a large fine if caught smoking in front of children or pregnant women x

Troodo


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 16:44

My words fall on stony ground. But Dr Bell, the man who linked smoking to lung cancer, is one of those who stated passive smoking was harmless. Ash did not dare to attack him outright so their response was, ' he is entitled to his opinion.'



I am not saying smoking is good, only that passive smoking is a con. These people made a fortune at Ash and some moved on to Global warming. Surely that tells you something.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 16:45

Most of the smokers I have come across are considerate of others, and none of them would ever smoke inside the house or in the car, whether there are children there or not. It really is time people accepted that there is always going to be disagreement on this subject, live and let live for goodness sake,

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 16:48

I've got some smoked haddock in the fridge,...







is it safe to eat it in front of the kids??

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 16:54

ROBn JO, smoked any thing now has a black mark aross it! did you not see the programme with scientists saying smoked kippers, and smoked bacon was a a health risk?



Did the haddock smoke rollies or was it packeted fags?

teatime


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Posts: 852

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 16:55

Msgs 14 + 15: By the logic you state, that everyone smoked in the 50's (Which I agree it was commonplace) All us over 50's should be either dead or very poorly and unable to breathe properly etc. The fact is this age group is far more healthier than at any time in the past.



Why this doctor is asking for a blanket ban on smoking in cars, TO PROTECT CHILDREN is ludicrous, surely parents and others are well enough informed now to not subject their kids to passive smoking. Who do they expect to police this law, the police can't even police the ban on using mobiles in cars efficiently.



Nanny state gone mad again, in my opinion.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 17:00

My dad smoked Woodbine, my mum smoked Park Drive, and my brothers smoked whatever they could either cadge or afford, I'm still here and no worse off growing up in that environment. I sometimes wonder if we protect children a bit too much nowadays and that is why they are more susceptible to illness and allergies.

Tootie


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Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 17:17

Can I just make a point that those who have a problem with passive smoking, you chose to buy here (a smoking nation) before the ban was passed.

But now you come out the wood work complaining....



If your an EU sucker... Then stay there

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 17:34

My friend, a smoker since age 14, told me that smoking is the hardest thing to stop.

He's obviously never driven a Toyota.    

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 17:41

Yes we choose to live where we want, we choose to do what we want within reason, if laws are passed where ever, we try to adhere to them, we also try not to just be selfish to whoever......

Troodo


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 17:52

So it is ok to be selfish to people who smoke?

Groucho



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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 17:57

Bill, very funny.



Most difficult car to stop is the Rolls Royce Silver Ghost... weighs several tonnes and has the sort of brakes you'd find on a push-bike!



Smoking is a mug's game... driving whilst smoking is dangerous... a dropped burning fag has caused many an accident.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 17:58

Cigarettes and whisky and wild, wild women

They'll drive you crazy, they'll drive you insane

Cigarettes and whisky and wild, wild women

They'll drive you crazy, they'll drive you insane



Once I was happy and I had a good wife

I had enough money to last me for life

I met Hamish and Muriel and we went on the spree

And they taught me to smoke and drink whisky



Cigarettes are a curse on the whole human race

A man is a monkey with one in his face

Take warning dear sister, take warning dear brother

There's a fire on one end and a fool on the other



Now I am broken, weary with age

The lines on my face make a well-written page

Write this on my headstone, write this on my grave

To whisky and women this man was a slave

Chelpet


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 18:10

Why not just ban children, horrible noisy, snotty little things

Lilli



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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 18:13

bill you crack me up x

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 18:42

Love it groucho, it is true isnt it, both seem to go together.....

MaggieAndBernie



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Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 18:56

Chelpet Msg 30 - BLILLIANT idea!!! love it, lol

hattikins


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 19:00

I love children, but I couldn't eat a full one !

teatime


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 20:21

Chelpet msg 30: Great idea, but we need them to grow up and work to pay for our pensions ;-)

teatime


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 20:23

Groucho 28: "Smoking is a mug's game... driving whilst smoking is dangerous... a dropped burning fag has caused many an accident"



As many accidents are caused by children in a car making the driver lose concentration! ;-)

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/03/2010 22:08

Yeah but you can't ban children... it worries me when you see films/TV progs and drivers spend many seconds looking away from the road ahead and into the eyes of their children... I know it's not real but it still makes me wonder if some drivers who are not too mindful of their driving habits think it's OK to look around all over the place instead on concentrating...



"Why not just ban children, horrible noisy, snotty little things"



Chelpet, We were all kids once... plus some of their parents are horrible noisy, snotty little things.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 22:15

I love kids - I went to school with them! )

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
24/03/2010 23:29

Wow No1Doyen, what a coinsidence so did I ! .

Jeannie


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Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 01:05

Good Lord - you mean you actually attended a school?



If I were you, I'd ask for my money back. You were definitely robbed!



By the way, that was a joke - I appreciate that you couldn't, possibly, have paid for your education.



PS I am just wondering to myself who the hell you are going to "suck up to" next. I mean, you've done Lilli, Britvic, etc. and I note you are now chancing your arm with Alsancakjack and Hans - you have a very short memory, and not everyone is 'blessed' with such. Luckily for you, I have an extremely good memory!



PS Do, please, try to improve your spelling/grammar. It seems to go down OK on Nige's board (where, by the way, you frequently slag-off this board, only to return). I find it irritating.

Yours

Jean

newscoop


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Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 01:42

Jean;



You noticed Dizzy's proclivities as well!



A touch hypocritical thinks I.

nurseawful



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Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 06:29

Message 10 Dizzy



"as a nurse I am surprised at that answer"



Well Dizzy as a nurse I can tell you that often a cigarette can calm a patient quicker than drugs especially in the psychiatric hospitals.

Also I have broken the no smoking rule in the hospitals when someone has just been told that their loved one has died and allowed them to smoke.

Would you rather we pumped these people full of drugs making them incapable of rational decisions!



From a personal perspective can I add that yes I do smoke and that is my choice, I never invade anyones space with it and if someone objects then I don't light up.



It will be interesting this summer though here in NC as we smokers have been out in the cold so to speak all winter in all weathers, so when we can legally light up out in the open are the non smokers all going to sit indoors and fry!!!!



Chris

roblyn


Joined: 21/11/2008
Posts: 144

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 07:41

Well said Nurse

They'll do what they've always done,cough ,choke and wave their arms arround

When in the UK we had a choice smoking or non smoking,No smoker ever invaded a non smokers space there would have been a riot.

Frequently you would find non smokers choosing to sit in a smokers area causing a fuss.

Now they have it all their own way they're still not satisfied

Strangely enough these same clean air breathers don't seem to have any problem with a big old bus belching out diesel fumes

Has anyone ever known a smoker have one to many cigs and start a fight!!?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 07:54

Yeah, but no matter how you dress it up, being addicted to cigarettes is still a mugs game...



Why is it that smokers always find the need to point out another bad habit (drinking to excess in this case) as an analogy? You might as well say, 'Has anyone ever known a smoker have one to many cigs and start touching up small girls?'

nurseawful



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Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 09:13

Groucho at the end of the day it is our choice to smoke, we pay for them, we pay the taxes on them. If that is how we choose to spend our money then it is our business and nobody elses.



If you were faced by a dying man / woman who asked for a cigarette would you forget your views on smoking and give them one?



Chris

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 09:29

Groucho. You must be the only person on the island to link smoking and ....... small girls. Do you have a problem?



Patientia est a donum superum

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 09:45

Troodo. I think your remarks above a bit unfair. Groucho was making an analogy, that's all.



Please let's keep the thread on track.

parkview



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Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 09:50

What about the law of not driving while on a mobile, every person I see does this even though its against the law and VERY dangerous, how many of you complain about that and the law not being enforced.

roblyn


Joined: 21/11/2008
Posts: 144

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 10:23

Groucho, I never mentioned,drinking to excess. Don't smoke,never have.No objection to anyone else having a puff though,their choice.

Maybe you've had experience of that senario,one to many drinks ending in fisticuffs, you were quick to pick up on it.

Where on earth did the touching up of young girls come from.

The sort of low life that indulge in that behaviour don't need a drink or a fag just castration

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 13:39

msg 40, oh deary deary me, 'Mrs Bucket' at it again are we...... have told you before my dear, I couldnt care less about how I spell etc etc, or what you think, it seams to bother you, but you will stork me so stop your silly moaning and get back to work! Why bother to accuse me of slaging off this forum on Niges, told you before I havnt done that and well you know it.. Jeannie you have a habit of poking your nose in to my posts and others, then have the cheek to start dictating on your terms,. well my dear, get this please... Izzet is the boss not you...... Think you will find that the sucker in all of your rants is you.....



Getting back to the thread if a law is passed its for everyones sake not just a few... Most thoughtful people think about the harm to childrens health....Not their own addiction....

Dont think any one is stopping any one giving a fag to someone dying, thats not what this thread was about...

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
25/03/2010 14:59

Dizzy if you read message 42 properly it says I never invade anyone's space with my cigarettes, that includes children. And yes I am very thoughtful in most things I do in life and consider other people sometimes more than myself!



Chris



If you were faced with a man / woman dying and they asked for a cigarette would you give them one even though you are obviously 100% ANTI-SMOKING?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 15:38

Nurseawful, If you read my post properly you would see what I wrote. think where every one starts to go off onto another stance, when the thread is about a ban smoking in vehicles! not if someone is dying and someone gives them a cig,!



Why is it when any one that doesnt smoke, has input into this sort of thread the smokers all start to get defensive to how and why they should justify why they smoke?



If I am 100% ANTI SMOKING as you say, why should I too not have rights as do children? You still have your rights, which most smokers adhere too, I do believe you when you say that you are considerate to others, but this is not what the thread was about.....

Why do these threads always turn into defensive answers, and abusive from the stalkers? Does it mean that that some cannot cope without their 'clan'? why do they need to try and twist/lie things to try and make themselves look big?



I now await the venum!!

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 16:04

And it's venom !!

Naturally smokers will go on the defensive when, in the past, they have been labelled fat unemployed council house tenants with loads of kids, by non smokers on this forum.

People will always smoke, the majority are considerate, as for the rest, well we all have to put up with them, again I say, live and let live.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 16:04

Troodo,



You didn't pick up on the irony of linking two different bad habits in defence of one by saying the other is worse...



Point wasted then...

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 16:26

Thankyou hattikins, think on another post yesterday you spelt something wrong too, if you go over your posts you will find it

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
25/03/2010 16:30

And what has that got to do with smoking in vehicles, is there any need for it.