[QUIZ-ab] Kantara castle: what is wrong on this plan..?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 10:29

New series of history quizzes (more diffcult than the former series...).

Rules as usual (I make them on the fly if necessary...).

First and only prize: a CD with medieval music from Cyprus ("The Island of St Hilarion").



The question: what is wrong on this plan of Kantara Castle?



Click this link: http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/Kantara_plan_Quiz_ab.jpg



Answers before Saturday, 27 March, 8 pm.



P.S. The right answer could be found on my website "All About All Crusades" ( http://www.allcrusades.com ), but I have temporarily disabled that page - until this Quiz-ab is done...

ianwfs


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 11:03

All I can think of is that the orientation of the map is non-standard. The North indication on the map itself seems to be correct.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 12:34

RE ianwfs: This is sometimes done by cartographers when the available space in a brochure or in a book etc makes it necessary. As long as the North indication is right it's not seen as a cartographic error.

P.S. It's not the right answer...

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 13:49

It's back to front - facing the wrong direction.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 13:50

An exception , but: wrong, Bill...

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 13:53

Time for a hint, I suppose...

http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/Kantara_plan_Quiz_ab_hint_1.jpg

mamachina


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 14:14

Going south from 11,12 and 13 should be latrines, a garrison and a water cistern, one of them is missing! Not sure which as Im not sure in which order they should be. But 14 points to nothing much and 15 doesnt seem to be pointing to any structure either. 16 seems to be the wrong shape for latrines, they are usually more of a trench or oblong shape, so maybe they are the structure thats missing!! (Probably wrong, but a try!!)

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 14:19

RE msg 7, mamachina: Sorry! Wrong. Nothing is missing there...

mamachina


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 14:48

Exactly!! "nothing is missing there" Ive scrutinised all your photos and all the descriptions of the castle and I cant see anything missing!!!!! Are you having us on again?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 14:54

RE msg 9, mamachina: "missing" - your words not mine! May I kindly remind you of the question: what is wrong on this plan of Kantara Castle?

P.S. Would I dare to have you on..?!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 15:08

11,12 and 13. are in the wrong place.



11 should be where 13 is.



Yippeee!! I won )

mamachina


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 15:09

Answer to ps on no 10 - Yes!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 15:17

RE msg 11, No1Doyen: (...) in the wrong place. (...)

=> Maybe you are in the wrong thread..? This is for well-educated history buffs...

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 15:19

Read my reply again, I amended it.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 15:21

Hans, owl do you know I'm not a 'well educated history buff'? )

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 15:42

RE msg 15, No1Doyen: (...) do you know I'm not a 'well educated history buff'? (...)

=> Yeah..., owl do I know...

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 16:52

Come on Hans, my answer in message 11 is correct.



Owl many points do I have now? )

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 18:16

After this second hint I may as well give the answer also... Bill, grab your chance..!

http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/Kantara_plan_Quiz_ab_hint_2.jpg

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 18:38

I'm going out now for dinner (of course not meant as promotion, but we're going to Guido's... ) so I can't give any more hints tonight - good luck! Have a nice evening, see you back in this thread tomorrow!

darrener2


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 19:05

The arrow marked #14 should be pointing to the southeastern tower in the castle’s interior not to the wall. This large rectangular room covered is with a cross vault. This room’s vaulted basement, which was turned into a cistern for the concentration of rain water, was originally used as a prison.

darrener2


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 19:34

Doh! Ignore my last post; it is a load of rubbish! :-(



The arrow marked #14 should be pointing to the chamber at the top of the hill which at 2068 ft is the highest point of the castle and was used as a lookout post and to message Buffavento. It still has its beautiful window in the south wall

darrener2


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 19:41

cont.

The arrow is probably pointing to this window. ...I think :-}

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 20:35

Darrener2. You are partially right. Hans will explain owl it works. )

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 20:59

Just to clear up a couple of things.The southeastern tower in the castle’s interior is a large rectangular room covered with a cross vault. This room’s vaulted basement, which was turned into a cistern for the concentration of rain water, was originally used as a prison. To the southwest of this tower another vaulted room exists and to its south there is a range of three vaulted chambers with loopholes where the soldiers resided.



The area shown on Hans map next to the three vaulted chambers should in fact show the rectangular room.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 22:35

Dear all, I'm back from an incredible nice meal at Guido's - can you buy a 3-course meal for 8,5 English Pounds in the UK: "yes/no?" or in Holland "yes/no?": my answer: certainly not in Holland?

OK, back to business. Is it acceptable English to write that all answers after my post # 19 are bull? Or should I write b*ll?

P.S. Bill, you couldn't find the Tower of London if I guided you to the center, so Kantara is not in your league at all...

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/03/2010 22:51

Hans, you're so funny after you've had a few...... )

darrener2


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Message Posted:
27/03/2010 13:39

OK, last gasp!

#14 should be pointing to the right to the medieval latrine which is the tiny triangular section next to the building marked #13

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/03/2010 14:50

RE msg 27, darrener2: Smart! I thought that nobody would look today - but you did! I obviously have put the web page with the solution back on line a bit too early... OK, my error.

The error on the plan of Kantara castle (issued by the TRNC government) is shown here: http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/Kantara_plan_Quiz_ab_final.jpg . The arrow pointing at nr. 14 should start in the medieval latrine next to nr. 13 (barracks for the garrison).

And this is how the medieval latrine looks (it has not been used lately, i.e. in the past 500 years or so... ): http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/Kantara_medieval_latrine.jpg

People did what they had to do at the end (right) of this little room, "it" fell down the steep side and then one would walk away. Easy...

darrener2


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Message Posted:
27/03/2010 15:02

Goodness me DC, you make it sound as though I am cheating. ;-)



In actual fact, yours is not the only website to feature a detailed plan of the castle. Using another (unmarked) plan and a very good description of the castle from elsewhere I worked it out all by myself.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/03/2010 17:50

Hans, you should 'null and void' this quiz and start another one. Oh, and we should all get .5 of a point.

darrener2


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Message Posted:
28/03/2010 12:32

Did I win?

ianwfs


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Message Posted:
28/03/2010 13:16

Of course you won. There was nothing in the rules to say you couldn't do any research and had to rely on memory.

Unless the rules were changed after the result.

darrener2


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Message Posted:
28/03/2010 21:44

Dutch Crusader, do I get an answer?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
28/03/2010 21:45

It was a draw. )

darrener2


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Message Posted:
28/03/2010 21:53

With respect to yourself No1Doyen, I believe I was asking Dutch Crusader.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
28/03/2010 22:02

RE msg 33, darrener2: (...) Dutch Crusader, do I get an answer? (...)

=> Of course I'll answer you! May I do it tomorrow? I was very busy yesterday and today - tomorrow is a promise! Good night all!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
29/03/2010 09:35

Good morning all! I start this new day in a new week with (a heavy cold) and an apology (re msg 29, darrener2): I had no intention to accuse you of cheating! I fully admit that I should have been more careful writing my message 28.

Of course you are the winner of this Quiz-ab and your price is a CD with the only remaining medieval music from Cyprus ("The Island of St Hilarion", composed between 1413-1422). Do you live in TRNC or in the UK? Let me know via email so I can arrange to hand you the CD (on the Saturday Lambousa market, Lapta?) or I'll send the CD to the address you give me. OK?

Darrener2, please mail to mcf.trnc@gmail.com

darrener2


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Message Posted:
29/03/2010 11:28

Thank you very much DC.

Unfortunately I shall not be visiting the TRNC in the forseeable future.

So, I should be very grateful if you would deliver the CD to Liz at Guido's, with both our compliments and instructions for her to include it as a prize in the raffle for whichever charity event they are next hosting.



Fiona

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
29/03/2010 11:32

RE msg 38, darrener2: It will be done. I'll deliver the CD Tuesday afternoon when I have to beat Guido at chess again...

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
01/04/2010 21:30

RE msg 39: Darrener2: The CD with medieval music from Cyprus ("The Island of St Hilarion") was delivered to Liz at G.

darrener2


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Message Posted:
01/04/2010 22:42

Thank you very much Hans



Fiona