Greek Army....TOOTHLESS Tiger?

koroglu83


Joined: 02/03/2010
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 12:38

Someone advise me as i am no expert in these matters. We see all this millitary posturing in Cyprus. What is the reality? It is certainly clear Turkey have the numbers my question is do the Greeks edge it in technology?

Please remember this is all hypothetical and im playing Devils advocate but who would you put your tenner on....?

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 13:00

I'm not sure there is a huge technical edge, one way or the other.

What we do know is that TR has a massive edge in terms of numbers.

I also think that with their respective atitudes, TR would go through the Bubbles like shit through a goose.

No contest.

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 13:07

The Turkish Army is one of the biggest in the World and the most ruthless and well trained. No Greek army would ever have a dog in ***l's chance against them. The Greeks are scared of their own shadows.

Geoff

Famagusta City

dublinderm


Joined: 26/09/2009
Posts: 538

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 13:26

Hi All,



The Turkish military is officially the third largest in the world after US & Russia I suppose.



The most important factor regarding Cyprus is air and sea power. Greek air assets would have to fly from Rhodes first and it is highly likely that they would not make the journey successfully. Their time over Cyprus would then be limited due to fuel usage.



Do you remember the hulla balloo over the Russian SAM missiles that the GCs tried to bring to the island in 1997/98. Russia was threatening Turkey if the Turks tried to intercept the ships carrying the missiles. This episode highlighted the utter lack of a credible air defence for the GCs.



If the Turkish military decided to take further action in Cyprus the most likely Greek reaction would be in Thrace, where they have significant ground forces, or air strikes on the western Anatolian coast line. Not much use to the GCs.



DD

briano


Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 14:13

Cyprus could be overrun in a day or two; the National Guard is lightly armed, lacks an air force and navy.

There are probably no more than 1000 Greek 'advisors' present on the island at any one time.



Furrther more, Cyprus is neither a full or even partner member of NATO. However, invasion of an EU Nation by a non-EU Nation would have serious economic and military consequences, no doubt. NATO would probably step in any way.



briano

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 14:31

Turks against the Greeks lol....I guess my days off popping south for some taramasalata would be finished as the whole island would be turkish with a day....the bubbles would be like bubbles and just pop lol.

dublinderm


Joined: 26/09/2009
Posts: 538

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 14:35

Re msg 6



"the National Guard is lightly armed"



This is not strictly true. They have over 40 (maybe 60) Russian built T80 tanks that have been recently overhauled. They also have MILAN and TOW anti-tank systems.



What they do not have is air defence. This means that all of their shiny tanks will be destroyed in minutes by the Turkish Air Force. Look at what happened to the Iraqis in the Gulf war in 1990/91.



DD

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 14:37

mess 5 turkey is in nato lol

koroglu83


Joined: 02/03/2010
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 14:55

Its hardly comparable to iraq tho is it guys, it would be an infantry war surely taking into account the topography....

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 15:01

I would like to put in a request to the Turkish Army...if you did come to blows again with the bubbles ..could you just leave the coffee shop in Debenhams intact please so I can still enjoy my taramasalata..many thanks

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 15:26

Turkey of Greece - hmmmmm Just what was the score in WW1 then? I can not think of an army that could defeat the Turkish army, nor one that would even try. The days of "Rally round the flag boys" have gone in most of the world but just try to take the Turkish flag off a Turk and see how far you will get.



No competition for Turkey and if it wanted to there is nothing to stop it because it will act first then talk later.



Just hope it never comes to it as I would hate to get between them and would not wish it on any of our local population - North or South.

koroglu83


Joined: 02/03/2010
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 17:57

Seems like everyone thinks that Greece is a non starter.... Could get long odds on my tenner tho judging by previous posts ;-)

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 18:27

Turkey has milatary might and seeing that greece is no where near Cyprus seems to suggest the outcome. Rhodes is also off the Turkish Coast and airfields would be flattened to stop any attack. How would supplies ever be got through etc. I hope it never ever comes to another conflict as only the innocent will suffer again.



Reading what some of those fools write on the south Cyprus forum about invading the north!! They would be the first under the bed to hide.



Peace & Love

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 18:42

I wish the Turks would finish the job off and sweep south this next 5 days whilst the GCs are off duty, or Brahms and Lyst, for Greek Cyprus National Day followed by Easter celebrations,

Geoff

koroglu83


Joined: 02/03/2010
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
31/03/2010 19:01

Tiggy.... The UK isnt overly close to the Falkland islands either.....

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
01/04/2010 01:12

Sam....in my opinion the Malvinas Islands is not British.



Lets stick to Cyprus eh.....

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
01/04/2010 11:52

Tiggy, I've said before that there are similarities between Cyprus and the Falkland,s and I think the British government are very two faced when it comes to the stance they show against the TRNC.

Diogenes


Joined: 12/11/2008
Posts: 139

Message Posted:
01/04/2010 13:55

Tiggy, I do not think koroglu83 is trying to argue whether the Falklands are British or not. He is just using it as an example to show that distance and location do not necessarily decide the outcome of a war.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
01/04/2010 20:18

No contest because.....They are both NATO countries. Any military conflict would mean the end of NATO. That would mean a whole new "world order". It's not going to happen.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
01/04/2010 21:18

Use this website to compare military strengths

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries_comparison.asp

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
01/04/2010 22:18

How many of the armchair Generals who have posted in this thread have any Military experience beyond playing with their action man?

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
01/04/2010 23:23

Come on then Hilltop - your unfathomable knowledge is needed here. What's your opinion?

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
01/04/2010 23:54

It's not about my opinion. I was just trying to ascertain the experience of those who have ventured an opinion.



Surely that is a good thing?

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
02/04/2010 15:58

I have no military experience h.t. but I would still like to venture a comment or two



firstly a note of caution, it is always dangerous to underestimate any adversary...

think the collapse of israel's barlev line 1973, the rout of the huge french army in 1940,

let alone the floundering russians in the 1939 finland winter war



secondly it is quite clear the greeks, despite wiping the floor with mussolini in 1940

on the epirus front, cannot hold a light to turkey's fearsome military machine

...instead they would be better-placed to kind of "step in" during a confused scenario:



something akin to the gc civil war of 1974 or an implosion event like the end of the ussr

as you might say, a little bit of un sanctions, a little bit of political vacuum etc etc

oh g-d I'm beginning to sound like ricky martin!



an onslaught by wingeing cash-strapped greece? ridiculous!

but then revolutionary france did well on the field despite bankruptcy



real world though? no way jose!

dublinderm


Joined: 26/09/2009
Posts: 538

Message Posted:
02/04/2010 18:04

Re Msg 21



Two years in the Navy (Sigs).



Two years in the Army (Infantry Anti Tank).



Seventeen years in the Air Force (ATC & Crash Investigation).



I may not have been a General but I do have a tad of military experience. As do many others on this Forum.



Now back to my armchair.



DD

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 00:04

Thanks Diogenes,



I knew that is what he meant.



Cheers.