[CT's TOM ROCHE] What he thinks about you

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/04/2010 17:30

This board is 4x bigger than a certain news paper in TRNC, xx faster to publish and read the local news, but this is what he thinks... Enjoy... http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/CT_Tom_Roche.jpg

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 17:33

Tom has never been the sharpest knife in the box, so I will not worry about his opinion.

cyprusgiant


Joined: 08/07/2009
Posts: 467

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 18:00

Tom's a columnist and possibly feels threatened by others opinions. What does it matter?

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 18:07

He is only invoking free speech, and incidentally telling the truth.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 18:07

I have to say the use of the expression "gossiping guttersnipes" brought a smile to my face.



Come on Tom, don't beat about the bush - tell us what you really think

ianwfs


Joined: 08/01/2008
Posts: 563

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 18:14

Can anybody say, hand on heart, that he doesn't have a point?

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 18:24

I totally agree with every word of it especially regarding some of the claptrap spoken here!

fiendishpaul


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Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 18:26

He does have a point !!

Jeannie


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Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 18:26

ianwfs - 'Hand on Heart'? No, I don't think anybody could, in all honesty, say that he doesn't have a point.



Mind you, that's not to tar everyone with the same brush, but I take your point.



J

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 18:47

Hans.

If the dutch cap fits.....wear it !!

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 19:01

RE msg 10, vincent1: Ah! What a relief. I was told you were dead - it must have been another bulletin board rumour.

P.S. I told you before, vincent1. You really should mind the punctuation and other rules in your native language. Dutch is with a capital (D) and two exclamation marks in the English language is one too many. And the space between it and !! makes your great one liner look silly - even to a foreigner. Have a nice evening, my Dutch hating friend.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 19:15

Tricky one;



He is correct up to a point but as a columnist is he not sometimes guilty of putting forward his own agenda?



By the way;



That is what columnists do.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 19:22

RE msg 12, newscoop: (...) is he not sometimes guilty of putting forward his own agenda? (...)

=> Exactly. Columnists are entitled to express their opinion, but not to put forward their own agenda. The latter makes them campaigners and no longer columnists.

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 19:35

Columnist or Journalist, That is the question?

In his "Column", First paragraph. He calls himself a Journalist.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 19:50

RE msg 14, Tootie: (...) Columnist or Journalist, That is the question? In his "Column", First paragraph. He calls himself a Journalist. (...)

=> No, we can't blame him for writing that. Why couldn't a journalist be a columnist? The point is that he, a journalist, with a background in TRNC politics as a hired hand, should carefully obey to the rules for a columnist hence refrain from campaigning pro or contra his former political boss(es).

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 20:09

Tom is entitled to air his opinions just like everyone. What a bland world it would be if we all expressed the same opinion.

batgirl


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Posts: 676

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 20:20

I for one acknowledge that there is some cr*p on thid BB but the vast majority is from helpfull contributors and having the unfortunate experience of meeting this"journalist" up his own ar*se springs to mind ,the personality of a sl*g but has he not succeeded in what is his real agenda "Lets talk about Tom 2"Thus enabling him to go to his employers and show them how printable he is to keep his job ?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 20:27

Does he pay TRNC income tax or even have a work permit? A case for an investigative journalist!



Richard

Tootie


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Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 20:28

Who says he is just referring to this BB?

Maz


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Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 21:24

'Ifc the cap fits, wear it' but I cannot accept Tom's judgement of us all. Sorry, Tom, if you are reading this, might I ask you why you are so judgemental of a group of people who get great enjoyment of 'chatting' on line? True we do not all share the same opinions, use of the English language or education, but the forum exists so that people can bounce off ideas, find answers to questions, and many other things.

Some people are helped through the Forum, or should they all turn to you, Tom? I doubt you would have the time or the inclination.

Maybe it is kathartic for the 'gossip mongers' to sound off here, and of course, just like a television set, one can always turn the 'off' or 'delete' button.

Remember that good old Bib lical verse 'Judge not that ye be not judged'. Come on, Tom, apologise .

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 23:03

Don't see what he has to apologise for MarieB - he has his own column in the twice weekly rag and uses it to share his views. Many using this magnificent online organ express their views or promulgate unfounded rumours more regularly than once a week, and often less eloquently. This forum has it's uses, often abused, and both Tom's informed column and Living Magazine are usually a good source of educated and relevant local information and opinion.



BTW Brinsley - what on earth are you implying and can you back anything up - or are you just trying to create trouble? - I'll take it that it's the amber nectar talking for now.

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
03/04/2010 23:33

I reckon he needs to apologise because he has used some nasty names about people who write on here. How many of those have used nasty names to him.

Of course, he can have his opinion, and so can everyone else on here, but I don't think it is right or proper to brand a group of people in the way he has. I think it is unkind. And to get paid for it as well!!!!!!!!!



Of course, if it is not, then I reckon anyone can say anything they like about Tom, but that would be a case of two wrongs not making a right.



But then, this is only my opinion.

Lapta2


Joined: 04/09/2009
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 00:08

Marieb, get over it! its one person opinion and I have to say I agree! to many people on this board do just look for gossip and spread rumours. Hes not picked anyone out or named anyone has he? I`ll think you will find theres a lot of people in north cyprus who think the same way and do look at cyprus44 as a bit of a board expats club and think why come here and live in a great place and just sit in front of your computer every day moaning and gossiping. Just a thought and will wait for the flak to fly! which will probably prove my point!! oh and yes the spelling is poor...

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 00:13

Marie and DC I was shocked at his comments to say the least. does he post on any boards. I always read his comments in CT AND I Love the living mag even though he has never included us in it unless i pay.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 00:14

I'm not one to gossip you understand but between you and me, and it mustn't go out of these 4 walls.....apparently there is a 'guttersnipe' on this forum....

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 00:45

Ah well, Hector, as my Dad used to say 'Know your place', and if anyone is living in the gutter, maybe someone should offer a helping hand to get them out of it, not call them nasty names!

But to Lapta 2 - know what you are saying, but why on earth should Tom feel the need to comment. There are lots of things I don't like that others like, but I just let them get on with it and enjoy it. No one compels anyone to be a member of Cyprus 44, or to read it or to contribute toit.

Not everyone has had an education that gives them proper spelling or grammar, but they can still express themselves well enough without being criticised for it. If anyone read my Turkish, they would think I ain't 'ad an heducation niver!

It's all a bit sad really, and I don't know why Tom felt he needed to say that. Has someone upset him!

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 00:47

Be fair the man was expressing HIS opinion,obviously to start a debate because you can please some people all of the time,all people some of the time,but not all people all the time, but on forums some people you can`t please at all.

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 03:37

I have to agree with Msg 26, MarieB.

"It's all a bit sad really, and I don't know why Tom felt he needed to say that. Has someone upset him!"



He obviously reads these forum's and obviously expected a reaction, So...

I say.......Stand up Mr Tom Roche and say what you have to say here, Or are "you" really just another "gossiping guttersnipe"??

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 09:24

I totally agree with him. But everybody is entitled to free speech and their own opinion.

ustwo


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Posts: 67

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 11:16

I agree with every word he says and Lilli I personally think you get enough free publicity .

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 11:24

ustwo why are you having a dig at Lilli...jealous by any chance.

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 11:26

Lilli see you in a couple of weeks for my caesar salad..love to you and Guido. xx

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 11:28

I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone assumes that this journalist is talking about this forum!

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 12:43

dutchie..message 11



Your commentsj ust go to prove that Tom's comments about 'guttersnipes' are true.



Your puncuation lesson is as usual pathetic.



I do not hate the Dutch in general......just the arrogant ones !!!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 13:06

RE msg 34, vincent1: One minute ago I made it a habit not to react anymore to anonymous posters with the brains of plankton, who only add worthless personal messages to this board.

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 13:55

Duthchie.



As usual your insults are both ignorant and tedious.



'Guttersnipe'.......Good description of you by Tom Roche !

LesCollines


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 14:01

brains of a slug... up his own arse... personality of a slug...

Yes, if Tom's comments need justification it has all been there today.

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 15:15

This is just his opinion and he's entitled to it.



I for one have found lots of excellent information on this site and believe it serves a very useful purpose.



Cyprus 44 forms part of my daily life and will continue to do so despite the views of TR and CT.



Thanks



Art

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 15:48

Normally I do not read any columnist because I am normally interested in the news alone and then I can form my own opinion. If necessarry ı seek the opinion of experts but not columnists unless they specialize in that particular field. The columnist has to fill up his column and is forced to write something. I have no qualms with what he wrote and there is a great deal of truth in it. The actual words he used is his choice and he is entitled to it. BTW, he did not specifically refer to C44 but as the most popular BB in TRNC probably he had this one mind.



Once I was the subject of his column and he acted as the mouthpiece of a well known developer who was not happy with my input on these BBs. So he became the tool of this person. Perhaps he was looking for another job in the media. Who knows, like anyone else who is privately employed they have to be on the lookout. The decent thing to do as a journalist was to have the courtesy to phone me and ask my view as well. He did nothing of the sort. So in my view his rating is very low but then that is a personal opinion based on a single sample. I wish him good luck.

ismet

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
04/04/2010 17:36

RE msg 39, elko2: (...) Once I was the subject of his column and he acted as the mouthpiece of a well known developer who was not happy with my input on these BBs. So he became the tool of this person. Perhaps he was looking for another job in the media. Who knows, like anyone else who is privately employed they have to be on the lookout. The decent thing to do as a journalist was to have the courtesy to phone me and ask my view as well. He did nothing of the sort. So in my view his rating is very low but then that is a personal opinion based on a single sample. (...)

=> He's a disgrace as a journalist and I'm sorry he's in the same profession as I used to be. As a retired member of the "Nederlandse Vereniging van Journalisten" (NVJ, in English: Dutch Association of Journalists), I would be pleased to file a complaint against this hypocrite with his private business interests.

vadiev


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 204

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 17:54

Isn't he an ex-MP also? Q> Do you know how to tell if an MP's is telling lies - A> he's talking......

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 18:18

RE msg 41, vadiev: (...) Isn't he an ex-MP also? (...)

=> I don't think so. Aren't you confusing him with Mr Stephen Day (also a columnist for Cyprus Today)?

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 19:56

Yes, as I understand it, tom has never been an MP, but Stephen certainly has. They are both very different and write very different columns, but one big difference is that Tom is a journalist and Stephen writes! I expect Tom is a member of N.U.J, but Stephen wouldn't be.

What the heck am I say, you may ask? What I am trying to convey is that there are different expectations from someone who is a professional journalist, and someone who writes an opinion in a column for the newspaper. What does my friend DC think.

I reckon in another country there could be a case for libel - but this is Cyprus and that doesn't happen

But again , I honestly feel it is 'unecessary' and sad, although interesting to see the responses.

Come on Tom add yours? Or, are you referring to another BB, such as the Greek one which is Cyprus-Forum I believe?

Of course, he couldn't possibly mean us could he - sorry I misunderstood and jumped the gun. No, never us - we are a nice group of friendly folk who may

Maz


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Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 19:57

.... 'knock each other' from time to time, but that is done as 'mates' and not necessarily in 'spite'. Or maybe we all and Tom should take on board the saying 'If you can't find something nice to say - don't say anything at all.



Happy Easter, all.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 20:04

RE msg 43, MarieB: (...) What I am trying to convey is that there are different expectations from someone who is a professional journalist, and someone who writes an opinion in a column for the newspaper. What does my friend DC think. (...)

=> Nothing to add, Marion. Maybe one small remark: a professional journalist, who was for hire by a government, has lost his credibility - he became a PR man forever hence shouldn't advertise himself as a professional journalist anymore.

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
04/04/2010 20:09

Valid point DC. Thanks for that. However, I do not know what Tom describes himself as! Maybe he would like to say.



One small link with Tom I discovered that he used to work with a guy called Cyril Ling when they both worked for the London paper 'Evening News'. Cyril had the room next to my dingy bedsitter in south Kensington. Strange connections one has here!



And again, 'Happy Easter'!!!!!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
05/04/2010 00:41

Msg 21

You really must go back to school. ????? Was asking the question, if not rhetorical, and I hear the ski slopes of Scotland are in excellent snow cover conditions at present, where you should be!



Richard

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
05/04/2010 08:52

Met him recently and came over as a nice guy, not pretentious at all. In reading his article I am of the opinion

he was talking in general terms. Lets face it, There are people on this board who guttersnipe and there are people on this board who take things a tad too seriously. However, have to say the board itself is very useful for many, many things.

begonia


Joined: 19/05/2009
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
05/04/2010 14:00

Am I being stupid. How to get it large enough to read. Or do you need the paper ?

britvic



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Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
05/04/2010 14:05

begonia, press the Ctrl and + to make it bigger.



Vicki

begonia


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Posts: 229

Message Posted:
05/04/2010 22:36

Thank you Vicki. But now it seems to have gone !

juliamoons



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Posts: 849

Message Posted:
06/04/2010 07:16

Message 49

I have had the same problem, impossible size to read, also the link in Message 1 seems to go a blank page. Just have to go buy the paper.

britvic



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Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
06/04/2010 13:32

This is what he says in a nutshell.



http://tinyurl.com/ybcyb59

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
06/04/2010 17:11

Link doesn't work - sorry

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
06/04/2010 18:06

RE msg 54, MarieB (...) Link doesn't work - sorry (...)

=> Marion, the link worked fine, but I've broken the link. I.e. the uploaded scan is gone. As only the messenger I'm not willing to be shot - with nasty emails from certain 'friends' on this board.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
06/04/2010 18:22

DC now you surely can understand why members choose who they let have their email addresses, its a sad fact that what ever one does, it usually upsets some one .......

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
06/04/2010 18:56

I meant Britvic's link. Or did you break them both.

Sad isn';t it, that when you relay 'fact' (such as a scan of an item) people get upset. Opinions may well follow, but you are not to blame! I get upset too, but only at injustice!

But thanks Hans for drawing our attention to that - otherwise I would not have known that I was a 'guttersnipe gossip' - never had that 'handle'/ before.

But I won't take it personally, cos it doesn't fit, and I don't think it fits anyone - just an unfortunate and unecessary turn of the pen - and I personally (and that is just MY opinion) think that he should apologist for earning money in this small place for being insulting to others.

Or maybe you and I should try it, Hans???

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
06/04/2010 19:00

RE msg 56, dizzycows: (...) DC now you surely can understand why members choose who they let have their email addresses, (...)

=> No, I don't. I've used several email addresses in the past decades and seldom was there a reason to hide them, until in TRNC...

(...) its a sad fact that what ever one does, it usually upsets some one ....... (...)

=> No. In my opinion the reason is that there are some (too many) bored and boring people in TRNC. They are just waiting to join a thread to add their worthless texts, helping nor informing anybody. Sad sickos.

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
06/04/2010 23:15

Msg 58, if the cap fits...Boring, extremely boring sometimes, Defaming, Self indulgent, Pretentious, Racist (especially anti-Brit when it suits him), Vociferous and at times frenzied (refer to msg 40, after the hugely respected Elko's). However, if you study the initial thread, which was flimsy and very open in judgement, to say the least, the pied piper of cyprus 44 comes to mind. However, without stooping to guttersnipe levels, you

are an integrel part of this community and make it interesting for many people. Thats what we want.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
07/04/2010 08:53

RE msg 59, professoregit: Exactly! You're right! Well said! I hope you feel a lot better now?

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
07/04/2010 15:52

Would anyone get bothered by anything written by a journalist who had reached the pinnacle of his career at a local free UK paper? This must be on a par!