Votes being counted

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 18:48

Well the votes are being counted and the results have started coming in looks like Eriglu is taking the lead in a few areas, still early so things could change.

Krin52


Joined: 25/08/2008
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:04

Thanks Teresa, for being our 'eyes on the ground'!!! Keep us informed, please!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:07

Yes, thank you very much, Teresa. I appreciate your updates in this thread!

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:08

here are some pages to see unofficial results.

http://www.ubpbim.com/

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/cat/35/news/35347/PageName/KIBRIS_HABERLERI

seems like eroğlu will take over.. so we start again form point 0.. what a bad bad day.. anhow, hope that turkey will show him the right way.

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:11

Henrik i agree with you, he is way in the lead in certain areas mainly famagusta and guzelyurt, Lefkosa is a bit closer, will update as results are announced

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:15

32.4% boxes counted Eroglu 48.99% Talat 43.37%

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:20

If the people vote Eroglu in it shows that they dont want reunification at any cost!

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:20

39.7% open Eroglu 49.26% Talat 43.29%

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:26

47.7% open Eroglu 49.56% Talat 43.13%

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:30

55.5% open Eroglu 49.79% Talat 43.06%

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:33

Doesn't look good for Talat.Thanks for the updates Teresa.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:33

theresa i though we had to wait 2 weeks, which channel do we watch it on

efendioliver



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 545

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:33

eroglu 52.78 talat 42.23

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:35

Liz all the local channels are showing it

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:39

found it mot looking good for talat 63 per cent turned out in girne. did you know talat can be read both ways

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:40

Thanks Teresa.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:42

Liili

Do you mean he is bi-directional?

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:43

63.9% open Eroglu 49.57% Talat 43.22%

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:43

Looks like its all over bar the screaming - http://www.mahkemeler.net/secim2010/

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:45

Eroglu needs to get 51% to become presidentm if he does not get that tonight then we start again next week

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:48

Are you sure, Teresa? I thought a candidate needed more than 50% to become President in the first round.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:48

Thanks Teresa i wasn't aware of that.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:50

aj how could i suggest that, what is it called when you can read a name both ways like anna x

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:51

79.9% open Eroglu 49.79% Talat 43.15%

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:52

Dutch i thought it was 50% Ali says 51%. dont want to say i am right but i think it is 50%

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:54

I must admit I thought it was going to be a landslide for Eroglu but if it goes to a second round am I right in saying that it is only Talat and Eroglu that are in contention?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:56

Well, it looks like Mr Ertoğruloğlu, the UBP dissident and kicked out of the UBP, with his 4% of the votes is going to spoil Mr Eroğlu's party!

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:56

AJ yes you are right but i dont think it will come to that.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:58

Lilli its called a Palindrome - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palindrome.

wanderer


Joined: 05/02/2009
Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 19:58

http://www.mahkemeler.net/secim2010/

scores so far

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:01

thanks coops had a mental block, election fever has got to me, on a serious note im surprised at the voting xxxxxx

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:02

83.8% Eroglu 50.09% Talat 42.95%

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:03

Teresa, from Wikipedia: "In the presidential election, a candidate must obtain at least 50% of the votes in order to secure a first-ballot victory. Upon failing to do so, the two top candidates compete in a runoff election, with the winner assuming the presidency."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Northern_Cyprus

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:04

To be honest im surprised Talat did as well as he did.

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:06

The eroglu camp have already started celebrating.

Hans you are right

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:13

teresa are you happy with the result, not that it matters to us as we cant vote but it wii indirectky affect us xxxxxxxx is he the best man

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:14

Have been trying to phone a couple of my TC friends to find out what is happening on the ground but the Turkcell network is maxed out.

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:21

Liz no i am not happy, I am not saying Talat is the better man but he at least speaks english and is able to get on any world stage and speak for this country, Eroglu has no english, he has also made it very clear that he will not allow people to be moved again and that is why he got such a high vote from Famagusta and Guzelyurt

but only time will tell.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:21

If you want to read the comments in the world press about the Presidential elections - go to this Google page http://www.google.com.tr/alerts?hl=en and subscribe (free) with Cyprus or Elections Cyprus (this narrows the information Google will email you).

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:26

95.9% open Eroglu 50.36% Talat 42.84%

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:26

My respect for Mr. Talat crashed irreparable when I read that he cried on the day the TRNC was founded. The wrong kind of tears. Should TC's trust such a man in the talks about their future..?!

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:35

Hans there are so many ways of looking at this whole thing, i voted for Talat because he has already come so far with the talks now i fear we will go back to the start again because Eroglu has such a different view to Talat. Of course whoever would have won will have to do as Turkey tells them and at the end of the day the people will decide in any future referendum i just feel that the last 2 years talks have now been a waste of time.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:36

Hans

The problem with Talat is that he promised his country a lot and it did not happen. From my understanding the TC's are worried that they are going to be sold 'down the river' by Talat and without knowing what has been agreed during the talks between Christofias and Talat and the worry that a referendum will be presented and voting required before anyone has time to digest the implications of what is presented I think has sealed Talat's fate.

AJ

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:41

tereas my heart is bleding for you, i really thought talat whould do do it, how will this effect all the poor people we help x

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:48

its over! Eroğlu did it. no second round. no chance for Talat to reach. there was no problem with talat, the problem is with short minded and blind, uneducated, unable to get informed, TCs who are more than 50%.

Anyhow, başımız sağolsun..



On the other hand I have a theorie that this is all pre assembled; So, Eroğlu wins, then he gets the "cyprus file" on his desk, pressure from turkey will follow, he needs to agree or they will cut the finances, so he will agree to the same points as Talat would have done. Then, the referandum point comes, as UBP and Eroğlu have "achived" this solution for the cyprus problem, UBP followers will vote for YES like Talats followers (peace willings), which will be a huge majority. This will make the unificaton possible. If Talat continiues, the referandum vote for a YES would be a play with the fire.



Keep this in mind what I wrote!

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:48

Liz it is too early to tell, i hope with all my heart that the poor people of this country will not suffer.

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:51

no, its not to early, accounting to 100% - talat is unable to reach and eroğlu unable to loose his 50% majority unless there are big counting mistakes.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:52

henrik message 45, your theory could well be right, time will tell.

melbrandy


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:53

Wow henrik.

I voted for Eroglu today and would take some issue with the adjectives you ascribe to the majority of my fellow voters. Persumably we didn't vote the way you wished us too.

If only you'd told us earlier!.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:54

Keep posting please.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:56

Well lets hope it keeps the EU and the Euro out for a few more years, I say that purely selfishly of course, as a foreigner with no vote or say.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:04

henrik

' the problem is with short minded and blind, uneducated, unable to get informed, TCs who are more than 50%'



I take exception to that statement and I have, over the last 3/4 months spoken to a lot of TC's about the up and coming elections and believe me they are not 'short minded, blind, uneducated and unable to get informed' and I have had the privilege of learning a lot about politics from my TC friends, what they suffer from is a lack of choice on whom they can vote for. They have been more than aware of the limitations of all candidates so they have had to make the best of a bad situation. If you read my previous postings you will hopefully understand why Talat has not succeeded in retaining his presidency.

AJ

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:07

palindrome

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:14

RE Henrik: (...) the problem is with short minded and blind, uneducated, unable to get informed, TCs who are more than 50%. (...)

Henrik, I'm afraid that in youir disappointment you forgot this: "Although the voters are described as Turkish Cypriots, the Turkish mainland daily Sabah reported that in the 2009 elections only 38% of those entitled to vote were Turkish Cypriot, while the remaining 62% were Turkish citizens living in TRNC as settlers."

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:16

AJ, I try not to read your post as I dont think that they are of great value.

You live in Alsancak, alsancak and Lapta are Eroğlu land as most of these "TCs" are originally not from NC. But anyhow. I say that if anyone would have read the facts about Eroğlu and Talat, compared what they did and what they want to do, then compare what backround they have, what eductaion etc, how their familes live, what they did in the past... Then there is not other choice than voting for Talat. Eroğlu, UBP and his family are one of the biggest criminal blokes in TRNC. politicians hanging around with Mafia Fathers and scaring people in the Famagusta / Iskele area. all in the news, all availlable. Anyhow. I wont write more as I fear my own security. Let me say so much, it is obvious what happend. And I repeat, "the problem is with short minded and blind, uneducated, unable to get informed, TCs who are more than 50%"

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:19

well hans, I am not disappointed as the politics will be done as I said in message 45. I counted the settlers aswell, they are in the mainly "uneducated" section of my text.. the TC themselves are only a bit lazy to remember or to get the correct information. sorry to say that..

booitsme


Joined: 04/02/2009
Posts: 667

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:23

Henrik - stick by your word and SHUT UP! You do nothing but insult intelligent people with your vitreol. Our TC friends are very well educated and know what they want - and it's not the Greek puppet

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:23

Re: Msg 41,



"My respect for Mr. Talat crashed irreparable when I read that he cried on the day the TRNC was founded. The wrong kind of tears. Should TC's trust such a man in the talks about their future..?!"



Dear DC,

If you were a Cypriot , perhaps you would have cried too seeing as your beloved country was disintegrating in front of your eyes. Very understandable feeling.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:25

Interesting few weeks ahead.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:26

Agreed No1 lets wait for the dust to settle )

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:30

booitsme, just read what I wrote and you will see that I did not insult all TCs. I have made my statements and I stick to them.

ı dont think you have any backround infos and just try to get on the right side like some other folks here who are "new Tcs supporters" - but you know what, we have been waiting for an sollution for the past 30 years - and believe me, we can wait another 30 years.. Get some "own" backround infos and than I might talkt to you again.. I dont want to hear, I talked to them, I had a chat with him.. bla bla.. make up your own mind. Get your own "independent" info.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:32

henrik

' AJ, I try not to read your post as I dont think that they are of great value. '



But you did read it, why?



I read every ones postings in the hope that I can learn something more about this country that I am living in and I even read yours. But I take exception to reading your comments about the people that have made me so welcome in this country.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:34

Here it is folks, all done and dusted - http://www.mahkemeler.net/secim2010/

booitsme


Joined: 04/02/2009
Posts: 667

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:38

Couldn't agree more AJ - I can only think that Henrik must be the only person in the TRNC to have totally his own opinions and that they are the only ones that count! Such arrogance is insulting and astounding. How do you find out the history and opinions of those - as you said - who make us welcome in their own country and understand their feelings..................... oh yes, that will be by talking with them and discussing points of view ( not idle chit chat or gossip as Henrik thinks we all indulge in - except him of course), something Henrik doesn't seem to even consider. His way or no way!! All I know is that my TC friends are all happy with the result and give very clear and concise reasons why. Henrik If you don't want to know about other peoples opinions why don't you set up your own forum.................... of one?

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:40

AJ, do you realy think that this forum is the right place to learn something about this country??? A maximum you can get are a few "beside info" where to eat or what to do in karpaz, and maybe 3% of very valuable info - but nothing else.

Mostly I see you closing threads and reporting about people in Alsancak - which in my opinion has no great value to anyone..



Anyhow. I do read your posts, AJ.. you got me. But I fly over them as they are not of any big interest to me.

mollycorbin


Joined: 12/03/2010
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:43

Ya olduğun gibi görün, ya göründüğün gibi ol..



I like this, Henrik.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:44

This thread is now closed. Reason : thread went off topic )

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:46

henrik



' as most of these "TCs" are originally not from NC.'



As you well know most in the Alsancak/Lapta area are from Paphos but I am also sure you are aware of the immigration of mainland Turks in 1571. So whom are you calling TC's and whom are you calling mainland Turks?

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:47

booitsme??? I think you missed my point.. I accept, but I also dont care.. As I stated in message 45. The politics will be done by someone else. Not Talat, not Eroğlu.

And please. Get you own info and then talk, otherwise I will count you to the same categorie of voters - you know wihch I mean - as I mentioned before.. Anyhow, congrat on your vicrory

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:48

AJ you have mail )

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:50

Henrik i think some of your comments are unfair, whatever our thoughts the people have spoken and tonight we have a new president, some are happy about that some are not, it is called democracy.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:52

Well they take a fat lot of notice of me dont they, sod this Forum Admin lark )

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:55

henrik

' AJ, do you realy think that this forum is the right place to learn something about this country???'



Do you really think that I rely on this forum to give me all the answers I require?

I use it as I do other sources of information to provide the stimulus for further investigation of my chosen subject.

Why do you treat not only TC's as being uneducated but also everyone else that does not agree with your line of thought.

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:55

yes, me too. concratiolation TRNC on your new president!

If I have hurt someone with my comments, I appologise for that! I should learn to discribe situations like politicans do; "hurting no one but telling nothing"

My appologises to all educated and intelligent Eroğlu voters. you did the best you could do

Seriously.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:57

Henrick,

Nice to hear your views,

Paul.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:59

super cooper lol

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:59

We are guests in this country and should act accordingly. Whoever the local population have voted for is entirely up to them and we must respect that. I find comments such as uneducated, short minded and the like highly offensive and insulting to our TC neighbours, the arrogance of some people beggars belief.

mollycorbin


Joined: 12/03/2010
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:02

Cooper, Don't let them silence you! Demand to be heard!

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:04

anyhow.. everyone is free to have his own opineon. But everyone is also able to get his own independent infos, from old papers, internet etc.. If all of these are evaluated, then .. .. ..



enough said..



again, to all who where upset buy me, my Appologises for my not appropriate text selection in the previous messages..

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:06

No, ive decided enough is enough and i shall be contacting Izzet forthwith )

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:22

Re : Msg 79,



Dear Henrik,



Don't waste your time. The majority of British population are not interested in politics and are not bothered to vote even in their own elections ( usually only 30+ % do vote). What do they care about Cyprus?

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:26

ohhh.. thanks clarissa for writing this down.. I didnt want to make this statement as I feared to get more stuck in the corner.. :( I dont like to argue about nonsense stuff..

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:33

Msg 81

I'm not a Brit but very interested in politics however, not been allowed the vote even after paying my taxes is bullshit!



Richard

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:42

Congragulations to Mr.Eroglu,the new President of TRNC.



For everyone else that doesn't support him.......the only thing springs to my mind......

BITTER SORROWS..........bla bla bla....

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:47

As a TC I take great exception to message 45 - some of us do have a brain - hence we voted for Eroglu. As much as you may not like it - we voted for him and thank goodness over 50 per cent of us did.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:47

Eroglu promised me last year that I can vote, lets see how that pans out!



Richard

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:59

re message 85: Rita on the rocks, cypriot??

anyhow..

booitsme


Joined: 04/02/2009
Posts: 667

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 07:18

New election - Cooper for forum admin You certainly made me smile!!!

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 10:46

remeber my message 45?

Erdoğan, the Turkish PM said following today morning: Whoever will be sitting at that table, he will be following the same steps as previously agreed on. And I dont think that Eroğlu will NOT follow them. POINT.

Wow!

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/cat/35/news/35353/PageName/KIBRIS_HABERLERI

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 15:18

Lets see if Eroglu would deliver an agreed solution to Cyprus problems in 5 months ,like Talat said that he COULD!!!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 15:25

RE msg 90, yorgozlu: (...) Lets see if Eroglu would deliver an agreed solution to Cyprus problems in 5 months ,like Talat said that he COULD!!! (...)

=> And..., if I remember well, didn't Mr Talat say that he wouldn't stand for President if there was no solution on the day of the elections..?!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 15:28

DC;

wink wink wink wink...........

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 18:13

Dual nationality - children TC, husband TC so can call myself TC

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 21:08

Henrik has had the guts to come up with a lot of revealing information that most foreigners must surely have been totally unaware of.



Whether it's Eroglu or Talat - 'six of one, half a dozen of the other!' - by both of their track records, neither has addressed the problems facing foreigners' almost complete lack of protection when investing their life savings in TRNC property. Eroglu, at the Pia Bella 'do', promised foreigners their title deeds....but didn't care to elaborate, as he apparently had a 'pressing engagement' elsewhere. Very confidence inspiring...........



Turkey is the 'paymaster', and 'Who pays the piper calls the tune!'

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 23:38

I can say that I am well informed in TRNC and Cyprus politics, with lots of background infos the most of you would dream of. If I would reveal all my infos / sources I could face some problems (not to mention what kind of). I would even go so far and also say that even if Ismet, Elko2 would reveal all his insider knowledge here, the same would apply for him aswell.

just a side note.

Elko, if you dont agree its fine, but you know how hard it is to be politically active with a heared voice in this actuall system, do you?



goood nite

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
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Message Posted:
20/04/2010 08:32

re msg 94;

Tenakoutou;

"six of one,half a dozen of the other"



Well put,it's just that some of US are bad losers.