Major traffic accident in Lapta - three young people die - Breaking Ne

LondonCypriot


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 20:58

BREAKINGS NEWS FROM LAPTA



THREE YOUNG YOUTHS HAVE DIED IN AN HORRIFIC CAR ACCIDENT IN THE LAPTA REGION ON SUNDAY 18TH

1 PERSON REMAINS SERIOUS CONDITION

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=19448&z=19

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:02

Even with speed cameras in place they drive too fast, don't know what the answer is but something needs done here as too many lives already lost in RTA's.



Chris

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:02

This is terrible news.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:10

Take their licences away for twelve months if you are caught speeding.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:11

Meant to say also, crush the vehicle if you get caught again after betting banned.

nurseawful



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Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:12

Bill



That wouldn't stop them as I am sure many of them have never had a license or sat a test the way they drive!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:12

And what would you do if they are caught dead Bill.



Taking the licence only stops them driving legally which is definitively what speeding is also, doesn't stop them and does not protect the general public who are commonly the victims.



Paul

wanderer


Joined: 05/02/2009
Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:29

Spring last year a car sped up the road past dream castle and flipped & crushed the roof

People came out to the youth the car vanished along with the youth no police no ambulance

no licence family car being used without permission

Draw your own conclusions where the problem lies

horselover


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:33

i teach driving in london, and crap myself everytime i drive there. my relative passed after 8 lessons in girne, and had neva driven before. i wouldnt get in a car with her! her mum rang n said, 'pass my dauta ' and they did! its insane

mollycorbin


Joined: 12/03/2010
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 21:57

Realizing this is a bit crass, but are they just killing themselves? Are there innocent victims? I guess what I want to know is this street racing at 3 in the morning or will I encounter it while picking up groceries midday?

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:01

Message 10.

A young life lost is a tragic waste, I cannot believe that anyone could be so heartless, or self centred.

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:06

I think we need to sit back a bit and bare some thought for the families of these unfortunate people. We don't know the circumstances but are as usual jumping to conclusions. Yes, I know driving here is insane most of the time but please have some respect for the youth that lost their lives today and their grief stricken families.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:07

what is heartless or self centred about the question. A valid question that was self admittedly crass.

I think a bit of personal grudge was in that comment hattikins.



I too would like to know if there is a certian area or time that this racing if indeed that is what happened is occuring.

True a lost life is a sad affair but should innocents be brought into the death toll when it can be avoided by asking a simple question.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:13

Why you should think there is a personal grudge in my reply is beyond me but that is your perogative I suppose.



Young lives have been lost, we do not know the circumstances so cannot comment, but any young life lost is a tragic waste whether innocent or not.

So perhaps you have a personal problem with that do you.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:22

If you click on the link in message 1 it tells you the accident was due to excessive speed and inattentiveness. So now we have the circumstances. Yes it is tragic any lose of life especially for the families who are left behind.



I don't think mollycorbin was being disrespectful in message 10 just concerned that other innocent lives could be lost through someones recklessness. My opinion.



Chris

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:26

Chris, and message 11 was my opinion which Proger obviously took exception to for some reason, as far as I am aware I have never even posted on any of Mollycorbins posts so how could it be seen as personal.



Anyway we should be thinking of the families left behind at this sad time.

mrsgee


Joined: 23/06/2009
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:28

Any loss of life is tragic, however, having experienced the nutcases driving over here for that past 12 months of being a resident, and actually living to tell the tale....have to say that I find it difficult to sympathise. There have been a number of occasions now where through the reckless driving of others, and it is not just kids, if we had not had our wits about us we may have been the ones to have lost our lives through no fault of our own. Don't know what the answer is....but there is no appreciation of safety of themselves or others over here...in my view the worse drivers on the planet and should not be in control of a dangerous weapon which at the end of the day is what a vehicle is.

mollycorbin


Joined: 12/03/2010
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:29

hattikins, I understand what you mean and my line of questioning was self centered indeed. Because I want to protect myself and my children. I am learning Turkish but cannot read it so the link above was useless to me. I was basing my questioning as well, on the posts that proceeded mine. It sounds as though this is something that regularly occurs amongst the youth. Since I cannot vote, I cannot effect change and ask the government to imprison those that drive so carelessly. The only thing I can do, is protect those that I love. Hence my question. I should have prefaced my post with my sympathies to the family. I apologize for those that were offended.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:29

hattikins, I am not trying to get into any wars or have any personal grudges, I was merely pointing out that mollycorbin said it was a bit crass but it was a valid question. To call someone heartless and self centred made it sound personal, if I miss-understood your comment then you have my apologies but in my book, calling someone derogatory names is personal

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:33

A very close relative of mine lost his life due to a traffic accident so I can empathise with the families concerned irrespective of who or what was at fault.

Until we know the facts we should all shut up.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:37

Hattikins read message 15 then go to message 1 click on the link and read the report it tells you what happened!



Yes it is in Turkish but if you are using Google Chrome it is easy to get a translation.



Chris

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:44

You seem to be in the mood for a war tonight hattikins so I will take your advice and defer from commenting further than this which by the way is a much nicer thing to say than "shut up" and therfore less likely to create the exception that you have pointed out I must have had.



It's all in the words and pedantic I know but that's me I'm afraid.



Paul

jenfarrall


Joined: 21/09/2008
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:49

Three young men are dead,three mothers have lost their sons ,our deepest sympathy to all the familys

mourning their loved ones tonight



Jen

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:53

No mood for a war Paul, but until you have experienced that knock on the door and a police officer breaking the news to you, which I hope you never have to face, you have no idea what it feels like to hear of a young life lost . Then to have people pointing the finger of blame, that must be heartbreaking, I know how bad the driving is here, but please, let's show a little respect.

mollycorbin


Joined: 12/03/2010
Posts: 390

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 22:55

Hattikins, we have something in common here. I have been personally involved in a critical accident and was close to two others who were killed in vehicular accidents. And you lost a family member. The difference between us is that when you read this thread, you immediately sympathized where I went into survival mode. Neither one of us is right or wrong. It is true that the survivors are the ones with the most pain and I offer my sympathy to them.

SamAdams


Joined: 17/03/2010
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 23:30

Hattikins,

I think mollycorbin was simply trying to ascertain information in order to avoid getting the knock on the door that you spoke of and all too many of us are familiar with in various capacities. Nothing in her comments equate to “heartless or self centered” – just in tune with the real world. I completely agree with you that any loss of life is tragic. Furthermore, we should all do our best to mitigate the circumstances that set the stage for these types of tragedies --exactly like mollycorbin was suggesting by determining how best to avoid the situation.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
18/04/2010 23:30

So many youngsters are driving around in high performance 'pocket-rockets'. Why are their families buying them such cars?



A lad at GAU has a Ferrari 360! You can't tell me he's earned it...



It's madness...

snd1966


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 07:04

Education and common sense BUT how does one get it across. Here they seem to be failing but we all forget it’s only since the late nineties cars have increased and roads have become straighter. Think of the fifties, sixties in the UK I believe very high road deaths.Speed cameras, speed limits do they really help? The average person respects the law but when accidents like this happen would they of helped by being there or lower. The person generally is way over the speed limit and whether it was 50kph or 110 they would still be breaking the'law'. My blood runs cold with seeing motor bikes with three on it often a little babe in arms between two adults, women sitting side saddle, no helmets, protective clothing, children standing between the back seat and on the drivers seat but I do myself remember doing that and my parents telling me off but what did make me eventually sit on the seat. If anyone does this can they explain WHY it seems so wrong. My heart goes out to the families

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 07:49

We are told that on the whole many locals don't pay speeding fines... Ask Elko.. So they (youngsters) feel no need to worry about the speed cameras...



I've been told by a TC that when parents do become relatively wealthy (remembering they've had years of deprivation) they find themselves unable to deny their children... well the chickens come home to roost when the child they can't deny kills themselves and others with the very thing they felt unable to deny them..

jacktheladett


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 528

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 08:16

About 3 weeks ago, on a friday afternoon, my husband was riding his bike on the main Lapta road, 2 young TC guys in a car slowed down and started giving him abuse, then without warning the passenger leant out and grabbed his sweatshirt and pulled him towards the car and they accelerated.



He managed to get the guys arm off him, but him and the bike went over, stupidly the TCs pulled over and laughed. To cut a long story short, they were both completely p*ssed, and when the reg number was given to the police they knew who they were. We sat in the police station for over an hour on the premise of taking a statement, but they had gone out to find them. Low and behold a car pulled up, his mother and another male relative had bought one of them in, of course when he was asked he denied all knowledge, he could hardly walk up the station steps he was that gone. On a friday afternoon!!! I dread to think what might have happened here. Drink and drugs contribute to speed as much as stupidity.

sunrise


Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 274

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 08:43

What you read isn't necessarily true. My daughter's boyfriend was killed in a car crash on the mountain road. He crashed into an overtaking oncoming vehicle driven by an off duty policeman. The young boy lost his life and got the blame for the accident.

No matter who is to blame, it is a tragedy when someone loses a life. Many youngsters show off in cars, probably all over the world, there is no answer to reckless youth, but unfortunately to pay with their life is the ultimate fee.

God bless them and their families. Nothing will bring them back no matter who was to blame.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 09:06

Deepest sympathy, etc - but what is needed here are multiple signs like in the USA, reading: 'Go on - drive faster - we buy the bits!' or 'we can arrange the funeral!'

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 09:09

whatever the rights and wrongs may they rest in peace, my heart goes out to the families x

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 09:17

It is very sad when anybody loses their life but 'IF' these kids were found to be driving recklessly, then we can at least be grateful that no other vehicles were involved and that no 'innocent' lives were taken.



The driving standards here in the TRNC are about as bad as I have ever experienced during a well travelled lifetime. It appears to be a machismo trip for young and some not so young TC's to drive fast and aggressively. Only a couple of weeks ago I was waiting to cross the Metehan roundabout in the rush hour at around 3p.m. when a 'pocket rocket' full of youths ignored the lights and attempted to power slide around the roundabout, lost control and narrowly missed 3 cars which had obeyed the lights. Words absolutely failed me !!



Alas, until the police clamp down on these idiots, the 3 Lapta deaths will not be the last. As for sympathy, yes to a degree, but in this world you reap what you sow.



Paul

babygirl


Joined: 13/02/2010
Posts: 109

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 09:27

All said and done, lives have been lost, families will never see loved ones again or the futures they could have had -that is the great sadness here and judgement should not be made. People have died. Full stop.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 09:53

A Ferrari 360! Why does he bother going to Uni, he's obviously doing something right?

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 10:05

No 1.



He goes to uni for 2 reasons:



1) To put off going into the army for a few years.



2) When he eventually ends up working for the state, as the majority of Cypriots do, his pay will be far greater than the non graduate working alongside him doing the same job. (Regardless of how bad his degree was, or how bad his work or attendance record was at uni).

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 10:10

Thanks Ozbey. I never knew that.

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 10:14

Just terrible, there can be no pain worse. God love them.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 10:20

Of the three young people that have tragically died only one of them could have been driving, but three families are grieving. Can we not concentrate our thoughts on what they must be going through this morning, and for years to come.

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 10:41

BTW: The 3 people who died where; the driver, Kadir Paşavat and 2 girls, Nurzah Tulekova and Naira Asankyzy.

He lost control of his car due to speeding.

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/cat/35/news/35349/PageName/KIBRIS_HABERLERI

jamestalbot


Joined: 20/12/2009
Posts: 958

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 17:22

I agree with message 33 Lilli, my thoughts are with the families and friends.

jfoggy


Joined: 23/12/2006
Posts: 260

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 17:56

So sad, and such a waste of young lives. I can't begin to imagine what their families are going through. May the three young people rest in peace. Sincere condolences to all those relatives and friends affected.

Julie

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 17:58

I also feel so sorry for the families. I think that speed has a lot to do with it we should have more cameras and higher fines, this may make people think about speeding.

vadiev


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 204

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 18:03

Every death is somebodys' loved ones but perhaps if the families of the kids involved who were not-driving had the right to sue for manslaughter then the parents of the young drivers may apply some discipline before the accidents happen. Just a thought !! My heart still goes out to all the families come what may.

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 18:16

Msg 21

If you use mozilla firefox you can translate as well



Msg 37

The newspaper story says the 3 casualties were from Mardin in Turkey

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 21:04

When I'm driving here, every time a car with left hand drive and blacked out windows blaring rap music driven by a young man in baseball cap tailgates me I just pull in to the left and say to myself ' go on my son - enjoy what is left of your life - and when he disappears in a cloud of dust - I follow at allowed speed - well I don't have a relative in the police or government - and also more importantly I respect and obey the law. Speed kills I do think that a lot of the young lads here - who on foot are perfectly charming - once they get in a fast car - regard it as a p - oh sorry personality extension and they think they are inviolate. Don't go out at night unless absolutely necessary or call a taxi - or if like me you are lucky enough to live near restaurants then walk. All RTA deaths are avoidable tragedies but being wise after the event is no consolation to the families who have my sincere sympathy. Something tough needs to be done to avoid this in future.



Joan

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 21:28

Joannie1 - too right. I'm glad that the Lapta and Girne police read this board. Perhaps they'll begin to get the idea that we (ex-pats) are not just cash cows for minor driving offences when it gets near their pay day and that their focus should be elsewhere. We DO know what's going on!

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
19/04/2010 21:42

Thank you Jetski - hopefully more people will post their support - life is so precious - I feel so strongly about the unnecessary loss of life due to mobile metal.(that's all cars are - despite all the marketing hype!) Is there such a thing as a safe driving campaign here - you know something on the lines of 'better late here than early hereafter' - I often wonder in such a laid back charming place where people still have time for each other - why are so many people in such a tearing hurry?



Joan

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
20/04/2010 01:38

Message 44, while we agree that speed is the problem, why are they widening the roads from Karaoglanoglu through to Lapta, whilst installing loads of speed cameras? they make the road faster, but expect you to drive slowly.

My whole family were in my car, me driving, when someone did a 'u' turn right in front of us. Sorry, but if they'd taken my family out, I would have felt no sympathy for the car that caused this predicament.

By the way, I don't actually think there is such a thing as a car accident, if you keep your distance, and drive carefully and have a bump, it is a car incident. If three people die, as is, this is one major .....well, I don't actually have a word for it, but it sure isn't an accident. It's like playing Russian roulette.