Negotiators for New President-Is this a wind up

spondoolics


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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 12:26

Just copied from Cyprus Forum. Really causing consternation.



Dr. Dervis Eroglu, Rauf Denktas (Advisor of the Negotiating Team), Ata Atun, Serdar Denktas (Chief Negotiator), Ismet Kotak, Taner Etkin, Huseyin Ozgurgun, Vedat Celik and Ergun Olgun.

newlad



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 12:32

Can any of them speak English,

Paul.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 12:34

both Rauf and Serdar Denktas speak perfect English as well as other languages... don't understand the point of the thread... what are you trying to say?

newlad



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 12:38

Sorry Groucho only joking mate.I assume this is the negotiating team for the talks,should send shivers down the spines of the bubbles,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 12:49

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Ertugruloglu_Tahsin_1169764887.aspx

spondoolics


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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 13:31

Groucho,

This is a partitionists dream. Poor old Chrisophias will have a really bad day after seeing this lot. Turkey, may have something to say about it, unless already agreed. Anyone willing to bet what the future outcome of the talks will be, or lack of them?. No chance of ever getting to a referendum GC side, Mr X will not even have anything to submit which could be agreed with Team Eroglu . Just my thoughts of course.. I know I am a total amateur with regard to Cyprus Politics, but like to put my penny worth in - for what its worth. And to stand corrected.

newlad



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 14:03

Seems to make perfect sense to me spon,amateur or no amateur,

Paul

henrik



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 14:28

I think this must be a joke of the Cyprus forum as all the people counted are hardliners against any possible unification.. most of them are even to old to get through the negotiations talks so no worries. the team has not been anounced yet.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 14:34

I am surprised,the so called "involved with politics" did not know about this team that was announced pre elections.

henrik



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 15:12

yorgozlu, as I think that your turkish might be better than your english, read this:

Uzman bir görüşmeci heyeti ile çalışacağız.

Yeni dönemde, “ben bilirim, ben yaparım” zihniyeti geride kalacak. KKTC Cumhurbaşkanı olarak görüşmeleri uzman bir ekiple birlikte sürdüreceğiz. Ekibim ve ben müzakere sürecine hazırız. Bu ekipte bulunan, Anayasa, Uluslararası Hukuk, Ekonomi, Finans,Toprak, Mülkiyet, Avrupa Birliği, İnsan Hakları gibi konularda, deneyimli akademisyenler ve diplomatlar şu anda müzakerelerle ilgili çalışmalarına devam ediyorlar.

Source: UBP 2010 Cumhurbaşkanlığı seçim bildigesi. http://www.ulusalbirlikpartisi.com/bildirge.html



I could not read or find any names, could you?

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 15:48

henrik;

"yorgozlu,as I think your turkish might be better then your english,read this:"







How about my greek?Since it was also announced in greek as well on BRT news?Not that it matters at all what language,me,you or anyone else TRIES to speak since it doesn not make a slighest difference to PERSONS NAMES.



The names was announced on LOCAL tvs straight after election results on the same day.Perhaps,it did not come as far as KIBRIS POSTASI or OLAY.

You might also want to enquire a little more on,"what the political party leaders" would have got,that was supporting TALAT!!!

henrik



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 15:56

thanks for the update then. must have gone past me. will keep it in mind, but I still think that this will not be his final team. we will see.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 16:38

I do not think one single bit that,it makes any difference who will be in the team since shots would come from elsewhere!



Now,for me,it is SIT BACK AND WATCH time.

spondoolics


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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 17:52

yorgozlu: Do you honestly believe that New Pres would pick a team that he knows will be , apparently, according to some, do as they are told by Turkey. Old Denktash is a real deep state Champion and I doubt would have joined as Adviser if he thought Turkey will cause total chaos to TRNC aspirations. I really need to be convinced that Eroglu will bow down to Turkish pressure because of EU Committment. As I have said before, the Army will not leave TRNC, for a thousand reasons. Turkey plays a brilliant game of strategy, elections domecratic, Turkish Government tried in many ways to help peace process, not responsible for undesired democratic result by elections. I know Turkey is constantly being blamed by RoC, Greece and others for hold back peace talks. Where is the proof ???. And they are certainly not responsibe for the Nightmare about to be unleashed on poor old Christophias. I reckon he will be out of Office within 3/6 months.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 18:04

who for prime minister then, serdar x

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 18:04

Give Gecitkale to the Yanks for a token $1billion a year rent with international recognition, job done and sorted!



Richard

Jetski


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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 18:27

Brinsley - that's Eroğlus plan B - as I've already suggested!

spondoolics


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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 18:41

Lilli: One of us is in a time warp here, It might well be me. Neither Denktash has been in office for a while. I mean Christophias, GC President, I think.!!!. Maybe my Structured Sentence not up to it.



Yanks are in Gecitkale now. "The Brinsley Plan" sounds like a good idea.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 19:01

re msg 14;

spoondolics;

The answer you are looking for is in your question.

MarkVPiazza


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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 19:17

We all know that Cypriot voters will never agree on a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation - anyone who thinks the GCs will agree to a rotating presidency with a TC ruling over them has to be deluded.



This being so, partition is the only solution



People go on about how well Talat was doing - NO HE WASN'T, they have been pulling his chain for five years.



Get real people!

darkeyes


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Message Posted:
21/04/2010 19:43

well said markvpiazza, the bubbles will never agree to a rotating presidency and the idea of a a TC ruling is a pretense (just like archibishop chromosome visiting turkey and pretending that he really wants to be friendly) and also, the idea that the more liberal of the cypriots want a united tc and gc island (comrades) this is also b.s. - why does anyone want change anyway? the tc have got their eu passports , they have their european health care system, they have their donums of land (if they havent already sold it) the bubbles have their well established eu funded businesses thank you very much who really wants change? thats my cynical lonbdon cyp viewpoint init?

henrik



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 12:33

yorgo, why is it that grandfather denktaş today says he is not involved at all? so who was and is informed???

As long as they dont tell anything about the team we will not able to know.. all other is gossip.

spondoolics


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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 17:23

Henrik: From message 14 of discussion. Bit of a lucky guess then. "Where did you read his denial story".??





yorgozlu: Do you honestly believe that New Pres would pick a team that he knows will be , apparently, according to some, do as they are told by Turkey. Old Denktash is a real deep state Champion and I doubt would have joined as Adviser if he thought Turkey will cause total chaos to TRNC aspirations.



Bill

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 19:03

henrik;

I think you'll find that I already said,"it would have to be approved by Turkey"

But, http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus29556.html just to give an idea that I did not make this up



ps.Do please refer to me with name or not at all.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 19:37

yorgozlu: Do you honestly believe that New Pres would pick a team that he knows will be , apparently, according to some, do as they are told by Turkey. Old Denktash is a real deep state Champion and I doubt would have joined as Adviser if he thought Turkey will cause total chaos to TRNC aspirations.







Bill





Like I said Bill,it is now sit back and watch time.



The old grandfather Denktas is more then capable to shock us all.Whether we like/approve is another story.But,anyone that thinks R. Denktas is not involved even when he is not physically there is only fooling oneself.



Back to reality:

It is US,public that would decide to everything at the and of the day......all the rest is a s**t talk.

henrik



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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 17:15

whatever... votes counted, talat out, eroğlu in.. so what happend in these days?? turkey just told the new guy in office what to do. my predictions where not bad. eroğlu just showing again that he has acctually nothing to say, all his elections bla bla was for nothing..

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/cat/35/news/35459/PageName/KIBRIS_HABERLERI

henrik



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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 11:48

hi folks, to all who are interested: As it is getting slowly clearer, 50% of the negotiations team will be old members of Talats team. first names where made public yesterday, Downer was quite happy about the names on the list.

Eroğlu has accepted all the points hich where agreed on, all the propaganda and election tactics where thrown away and forgotten immediately - Negotiations to continiue with same old target: One cyprus identity with two federal states (TRNC and ROC).. (like Germany model with states - Berlin, Bavaria, Hamburg, Bremen, Sachsony .. ..)

Nothing changed, only a few names.. Talks will start on 26 or 27 of may..

good luck to all of us!

newlad



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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 11:52

Cheers Henrik.Will the talks start where they left off,or are we going to start from scratch,

Paul.

henrik



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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 12:05

As I said, nothing changed, only a few names of negotiators and the name of the TRNC president.. Eroğlu accepted all points, talks to start 26 or 27 th of may. From the same point. POINT.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 13:46

Do not have any doubts about Rauf Denktas's input to the negotiation process, whether directly or indirectly he will have an influence.

AJ

henrik



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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 15:00

for sure.. also talat, downer, ban, erdoğan, abdullah, obama, merkel, sarkosy, gordon and 1000s other big politicians will have influence...

not to forget people of TRNC and ROC - which come at the end of the list...

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 17:45

henrik;



"As I said, nothing changed, only a few names of negotiators "







I thought that was the whole point for ELECTIONS!!!!!!!! -point.