[MAC] Dumb PC laptop now runs latest Apple OS!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/04/2010 23:01

Today my friend in Holland, IT professor at Amsterdam University, changed my wife's dumb PC laptop (Compaq 615) into a great machine running Mac Operating System 10.6.3. When my wife returns she'll bring the full software disk image and a manual 'how to'. If you're interested: mail me at hansdoeleman@allcrusades.com and I'll forward the disk image and the 'how to' manual.

YeniTom


Joined: 29/12/2009
Posts: 198

Message Posted:
23/04/2010 00:22

Today my friend in Leicester, IT Geek at local pub, changed my laptop (Acer 5620) into a great machine running Windows 7. My laptop is black with one of those new shiny type screens and has keys all over it with letters and numbers on them. Almost by magic it is able to send written messages to other people and I can connect to an absolutely fabulous information archive known as the world wide web.

Windows rules ok

Tootie


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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 01:03

Msg 2... "Windows rules ok"

Yer Ok Tom.



Pls keep forwarding Bill his Windows error message Emails so he can continue his quest to make a complete operating system.... one day??



Ps, then in 6 months time your operating system will be out off date again & you can send bill some more error msg's......... LOL

proger1



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 07:58

As a recent starter to the Mac operating system I was a little concerned that it would be difficult for me to use after being on Windows for so long but I have to say it is vastly superior in almost every way.

The inhibiting factor for the mac system is the base cost which Hans is very generously offering to help avoid this, thanks Hans, I will be in contact.



Consider this, I have Mac OS on macbook, running parallels system that means I also have windows 7 running even better than it does on a windows PC. I almost never use the windows because it is not needed except for programmes that are not mac compatible, very few by the way.

My impression of Windows 7, although much better than XP or Vista is that microsoft looked at a mac operating system and tried to make windows do as much as possible what a mac does and achieved about 40%



I would recommend this possibility to anyone. Thanks again Hans.



Tom, Windows rules in cyber-hell only,

Paul

Groucho



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 08:17

DutchCrusader.



Is this software legitimate?

Or is the Apple O/S pirate software?

Or is it a hack?

Does it have Apple's blessing?

Is there any support for it?



Lot's of questions I know but I'd need to know.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 12:11

Dear all, let's not start the Mac/PC war all over again. If you are happy with one of Gates' products - fine.

Groucho: Good questions, but I suggest you read about "Mac OS on a PC" here first: http://www.google.com/search?q=mac%20os%20on%20pc&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

I only know of a recent law suit where Apple objected (and won) against the use of its OS on a specially build for the purpose computer.

This is not the case with Mac-OS-on-a-PC. From my start as a pro Mac user I've always bought the Mac OS - version 6 to 10.5.8 (upgrades and updates). Many (small) programs I also bought changed the behaviour of the original OS - Apple did not support such programs but also never took the developers to court. I look at it this way: if Apple has legal objections against Mac-OS-on-a-PC, the lawyers will know what to do against the people who thought it out - they are on the Internet for everyone to see. Again: my personal opinion.

andrew4232



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 12:52

Hans, i know it sounds a strange question but should i change to the mac system would i need to purchase all the usual software needed, like word, excel, outlook, internet explorer but mac type programms, if you can also get those as well that would be great, if the answer to this needs to be private could you drop me a email to andrew_clarkson@hotmail.com



many thanks andrew

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 13:08

RE msg 7, andrew4232: Most software for PC's does not run on a Mac and vice versa. But you don't have to buy again all software you are using now on your PC - many programs are already part of the Mac Operating System (mail, browser etc etc). Furthermore, if you use Microsoft software: the files from Word, Excel etc can be imported without a problem in the PC and Mac software from Microsoft. And there are loads of free software. If you don't use very special software (FreeHand, Photoshop etc etc) you don't have to invest much money again.

I hope to have answered your question, but let me know if you have any other questions!

andrew4232



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 13:17

thanks Hans, could you please add me to your request of a copy then as i have a spare laptop that i would like to try it out on before going the full hog and changing from MS

thanks

andrew

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 13:45

Done andrew4232. But it takes three weeks at least - until my wife is back from The Netherlands.

andrew4232



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 19:06

cheers thanks very much

YeniTom


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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 23:10

if anyone actually knows and is really serious about which OS they run then they will know it has to be Linux

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 23:22

YeniTom: Linux in all varieties is a very interesting OS - why not start a thread about it outside this thread?

YeniTom


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Message Posted:
23/04/2010 23:47

Hi DC

From your reply I can see that you have a knowledge of Linux. In my opinion it is without doubt the best operating system but - as you say - there are deriviatives and it can be very confusing to a normal PC user.



Opening another thread would therefore just start the confusion. Linux is a system that you have to be introduced to and see operating and then get involved in to arranged the set up that you are happy with. There is a basic set up which most people would be happy with and after a short while it would show itself as the brilliant system that it is but as I say...............



If anyone is interested then just Google 'Linux' but be ready for the torrent of information.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 07:27

That lovely Apple company? Control freaks? I think so, always have.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8639240.stm

proger1



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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 08:20

YeniTom,

Agreed that Linux is a great system but if you are used to windows then you need a huge amount of patience and concentration to get into using it. I admit that I have tried it and gave up.

Mac however is much easier to transfer across to and IMO a hell of a lot better than windows.

I have XP on my work PC, Windows 7 on home PC and a macbook and if I could I would have mac OS on all which I tried to do using osx86 project on my old PC but couldn't get it to work, I tried running virtual machine with linux/Ubuntu but as I said didn't have the patience so kept going back to windows.



Hence if Hans's is being so generous to offer a viable way of installing OSX on my PC I will definately take him up on it.



Paul

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 08:58

I'll ask my friend to write the "how to" in English to make it easier for people here who want to do it also. A warning however: it cannot be done on all PC's. I'll get a list of PC's (and the specifications) that will accept this solution. If your PC is not on the list - don't try it, because you can screw up your computer.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 22:37

RE msg 15, Groucho: (...) That lovely Apple company? Control freaks? I think so, always have. (...)

=> I apologise to myself for taking the time to reply to your questions in your msg 5 - I thought you were interested. Stupid me.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 22:54

Here's a tip.. if your Mac OS X won't spit out your CD/DVD... switch off and re-boot holding down the left mouse button. This should cause the tray to open releasing your disk.



Hans, just because you like the Mac OS don't turn into a Mac bore.... It has it's uses. Mac's are just overpriced by quite some margin.



Nothing in your replies set my mind at rest that you are not advocating software piracy and/or copyright theft...



My remark at message 15 has got nothing to do with my earlier questions.. why is it you must always get your hackles up? Chill out and await Trix's return... she can then administer some soothing balm of your fevered brow...

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 23:07

Groucho, your pathological need to write in any thread and often off topic is boring. This is a thread about "Mac-on-a-PC", in case you hadn't noticed the indicative title. Some people are interested in the subject and you are obviously not. Fine. Your opinion about Apple and its products has nothing to do with the technical possibilities of cheap PC's - start a new thread and tell the world. It's "Mac-on-a-PC". OK?

Groucho



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Message Posted:
25/04/2010 07:32

Mac on a PC might be OK, but what if there are problems... are you going to compensate folk who's PC hard-drive is trashed as a result of some glitch and all their data gets overwritten?



If its status is unsupported, neat as it maybe, it's a danger and the sort of thing that attracts the attention of virus writers who under the guise of an update to the emulation layer, will hide some Trojan or other nasty and do some real damage... and all for what, so that you can say your PC can run two operating systems... and to what end? Hubris is the only thing I can think of.



I have no pathological need to write on nearly as many threads as you, in this case they are merely to advise caution. My comments may bore you because they don't meet with your approval but I get the impression it's more the exposing of a raw nerve... hence your need to insult.



You seem to have swallowed the Apple whole, I prefer to take it in small bites that I can spit out once the hidden maggot sets in.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
25/04/2010 07:53

RE 21, Groucho: (...) who's PC hard-drive is trashed as a result of some glitch and all their data gets overwritten? (...)

=> I don't order readers to put a Mac-on-a-PC, I don't persuade them. Everything you do with or on your computer is always on your own risk. And if you don't have the daily habit of backing up your system and all other data (a complete bootable back up on an external drive) then this technical possibility Mac-on-a-PC is not for you anyway.

proger1



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Message Posted:
25/04/2010 08:59

Groucho, not trying to get added on to your list of wrath but it appears to me that your words of caution are more like your words of dissagreement with DC's.

He hasn't forced anyone to do anything with a mac system, nor has he condoned copyright infringement. He has merely stated that he has the availability of something that others might be interested in having and he has not only offered to pass it on but also offered to translate the information into english.

You obviously don't want the system, I am interested in it and others out there might be but that is their choice and if they have concerns there is a whole lot of information about it on the web. As for compensation by Dutch, get real. Would you phone Bill Gates whenever a virus appears on your system or Steve Jobs when you get malware.

Like many other posts lately, if you are not interested, leave it alone and let those that are get the information they want without having to read all the naysayers comments.

Paul

Groucho



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Message Posted:
25/04/2010 19:22

Paul I don't think DC needs you fighting his corner I'm not the one getting upset or losing the plot...



Am I not allowed to disagree with DC on this board? Sorry I thought it was a fairly public board..



If he wants to 'own' threads maybe he should have his own corner where he can peddle his Apple-oriented message. All I was doing was drawing attention to the 'unlicensed' nature of this hack.



Apple could quite easily take exception to it and issue an upgrade that recognises it and disables some features of your computer. Or worse some malfeasant oik could use the emulation layer to gain control of your PC.



If you don't think that's possible that's for you...



Maybe Apple will recognise the opportunity and take the technology on board and release a licensed product for this purpose upon payment of a reasonable fee which would be good. However, having known Apple for 26 years I somehow doubt that they will spot the opportunity and run with it...

Mertbalin



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Message Posted:
25/04/2010 20:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmTCuNxpR_M&feature=related



How to Install Mac OS X 10.5.5 on PC

proger1



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Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 20:49

Groucho,

You are yet another member of this board that can only see there own opinion which is really annoying.

I know Dutch doesn't need my backup, in fact he is one of the only people I have had a reasonable dispute with.



He is offering something to anyone.

You are doing your best to degrade the offer.

If you don't want it fine, if you want to suggest to people it might cause problems fine but why do you have to attack.

There are literally hundreds of websites offering what Hans is offering, do you bother your arse to track them all down and attack them or do you just feel you have to do it here and annoy everyone else.



Having your own opinion is fine but forcing it continually on others is a different story.



And I will finish with, enjoy your evening, I am sure you will not agree with what I said but then it is my opinion so I am entitled to it, yes?

Groucho



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Message Posted:
25/04/2010 22:24

Yes you are entitled to your opinion.. I'm interested in the idea that my not agreeing with DC should not be expressed here in case it annoys everyone.. you seem to be getting unnecessarily riled. Why I'm not sure.



I'm doing no more 'forcing' than you or DC. I obviously don't take issue with opinions I agree with, why would I? So at what point should I not make remarks? I often form new and informed opinions based on things I read here. It is not necessary for me to post my agreement is it?



His touting of this software might be fine in your eyes but not in mine. Software piracy (and let's not beat around the bush here, this making use of Mac OS X without paying for it is just that) is not a good idea if it leaves you or others exposed to potential cyber threats.



I find it ironic that the company DC so admires is one whose software he's prepared to pirate... go figure.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
25/04/2010 23:55

Gentlemen. There's only one way to silence idiots, stalkers and mavericks (learned in the past six years): don't give them access to what interested people want to discuss or read, in this case: "Mac-on-a-PC". Unfortunately this is too often not possible on this board. But from THIS message it IS possible. I'll let the posters here and via private posts know where we can meet each other on the Internet - without Groucho. You don't want to hear, listen, learn and stick to the topic, Groucho? The technical possibility to put "Mac-on-a-PC? Bye, Kevin.

P.S. Groucho: it's not the only time I'll exclude you from 'writimg' in the future - whatever you think or what you want to write - you are not welcome in the threads on my new "escape-Groucho-board". NOT WELCOME. Finally get it? No, you don't. But you'll find out.

[end of topic] (as far as I'm concerned).

Soupseed


Joined: 30/11/2009
Posts: 101

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 23:57

You can install many different types OS's on many diferent types of machine. (like installing Ubuntu on a PS3)

Just because you can though, don't mean you should!

Stick to what you know!

Although Karmic Koala does look tasty. Hmmm.. or Mint

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/04/2010 07:14

DC you'll be running out of toys to throw out of the pram...



If I see you advocating dodgy dealing anywhere, like software theft then I'll be sure to take you to task. If I don't I won't it's as simple as that...



I've obviously hit a raw nerve and you don't like it... I wonder why? er, no I don't, I know exactly why.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
26/04/2010 08:03

" It is not necessary for me to post my agreement is it? "

Groucho,

If the above is the case then why do you feel it is nescessary to post your dissagreement?



You seem to be convinced that I am riled up about something, not so. I am bored at work and have nothing better to do so I look at postings that I think are doing nothing other than creating unnescessary comments which are supposed to be for the betterment of the forum users but are in fact just ways of making the poster sound informed.

I have 26 years experience with mac, Mac's are just overpriced by quite some margin, That lovely Apple company? Control freaks? I think so, always have.

So in escence, you don't like mac, fair. You don't like what DC is posting about, fair. You don't like copyright infringement, fair. You feel it nescessary to keep going on about it on a thread which was merely an offer by a member to help those who might actually be interested in something that you are not, not fair.



Morning all !!

Groucho



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Message Posted:
26/04/2010 09:00

I think the Mac is great. It's overpriced but it is a very good machine. The operating system is very good too although ranking number two to Windows in market penetration means that software for Windows n will always get more application attention. A point worth considering? I think so.



Macs have always been very popular with certain sectors of the market, designers, musicians (although the Musicians Union is very dubious about the use of computer in music making) journalists, because it was the best WYSIWYG system cheap enough (compared to the hundreds of thousands of $ previously charged by Xerox etc.) for compositing news articles. We used Apple Macs in the early days to design software for windows based machines because this ability to display was a much better way to present to user groups.



Paul, you can read into my posts whatever you like, It seems DC will brook no dissent. I merely have an alternative take on his proposal. One he seeks to stifle..

proger1



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Message Posted:
26/04/2010 10:31

Groucho,

It would seem we are at loggerheads on this one.



I am sure that you believe that your comments may be useful to the members of the forum as a warning that the offer Hans is making has some pitfalls.

I believe that although that is how you have phrased some of your posts you are really just trying to give Hans a hard time. A different take on his proposal would be valid if he had stated that his offer was too good to be true. What he did was offer free service for those who might be interested.

I am assuming here but I feel you already new the answers to your own questions in msg 5 but wrote them so that others would ask the same questions, that is fine but to then go onward and keep trying to wind up Hans is both immature and annoying.



I will leave it here because all I am doing is peeing into the wind, like several other posters you refuse to try neutrality when reading posts. "It seems DC will brook no dissent".



Arte et Marte, Paul

Groucho



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Message Posted:
26/04/2010 11:10

Really Paul I don't see why you saw fit to get involved...



Although it might seem I'm omnipresent I do not comment on the majority of posts.. even of DCs! Only those where I feel others, less savvy than him, might fall into something they might regret. You say he's offering a service - I'm saying be careful. Until I asked, I wasn't sure of the answers to my questions. You admit you are making assumptions.. "Assumptions are the mother of all f*ck-ups" When the answers came they only served to confirm my fears.



Why he decided to get quite so annoyed I don't know. I'm not trying to wind him up. If members are desperate to run the Mac OS X on their computers they should go ahead.



But remember it was only because I raised queries that DC came up with "if you don't have the daily habit of backing up your system and all other data (a complete bootable back up on an external drive) then this technical possibility Mac-on-a-PC is not for you anyway."

proger1



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Message Posted:
26/04/2010 11:27

Really Paul I don't see why you saw fit to get involved...



And with your pure one-sidedness, you never will but let me try to help.

I got involved because I thought DC was being helpful and wished to regail of his offer.

You decided to get involved so that you can warn people about the problems that may arise and even after you realised it was iritating to DC you kept at it. What happens next is the person who makes a genuine offer will stop doing so and those that are interested lose out because you have to get your view across.



I said assume in my previous statement because if I had said you DID know the answers you would have told me I was wrong. I was 99% sure you would either make the comment you did or the one about assume making an Ass of U and Me.



My point is, your deliberate antagonism can cost others a choice so if you choose not to do it fine but please do not enforce your beliefs on others choices.



Arte et marte, Paul

Groucho



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Message Posted:
28/04/2010 08:43

Paul,



"please do not enforce your beliefs on others choices. "



How would I do that? By expressing an opinion? I think you are attributing more power to my posts than most would envisage... You are not persuaded are you? Why do you think others would be? Or is this another assumption?



Trying to suppress the views of others just because they hold a different opinion is not what this board is about... is it?



Again, I still don't know why you chose to get involved, nothing in your reply persuades me than you have good reason. I am not deliberately trying to antagonise DC or you... but it seems a contrary opinion does that.



I'll leave this with the hope that others are able to make up their own minds and can see past just one side of a thread.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
28/04/2010 09:03

Proger1, you don't need my advise so I'll make this just a common remark, hoping to stop this derailed thread. Nobody has to follow msg 1. Everybody can make up his own mind and read all there is to know on the Internet - people who are really interested in the technical possibilities of "Mac-on-a-PC" can do without self-styled Internet police on this board.

I've now put all names in a small database and will keep all interested people informed. If you want to join that info-list, mail me at hansdoeleman@allcrusades.com .