[SCAM] I have to defend myself against an accusation

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 12:06

In the past days one of the members here (minertor) has posted untrue accusations, using foul language as well, about the Kyrenia Walks I did in the past months. I cannot let this go without a comment. More than 320 (mainly British, but also many other nationalities) people joined me for this walk in Kyrenia. I provided a laminated map of Kyrenia of 1300 AD to help the participants understand where they walked and what they saw or couldn't see anymore. I have NOT charged one Lira, Pound or whatever for the walks. I didn't ask for tips. When the walk was finished the participants were NOT obliged to buy anything - they COULD however buy the map (for use with friends or for any other reason) and they COULD buy a CD I made with the much more extended lecture on Medieval Kyrenia. The offer was without any obligation.

If however anyone feels he/she became part of a 'scam' let me know and I'll refund the money you spent out of your own free will.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 12:09

It is very sad that I have to defend myself against someone who is always ready to stab me in the back, because he doesn't like me.

Well, I wrote here what I had to say and will leave it at that. Another lesson learned. The many friendly emails I also received after one of the Kyrenia Walks are still very much appreciated.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 12:24

I forgot to add: any complaints about the (free) Kyrenia Walks are welcome here or can be sent to the email address I use for history related subjects: mcf.trnc@gmail.com . Thank you.

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 12:36

I was unable to attend any of the walks due to work, but have been to one of your talks. I also know several people who went on the walks. No-one had anything but praise for them, and were very surprised at the amount of "invisible" history that we pass by every day without realising. So, from me anyway, thanks Hans.

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 12:41

Hans, we know the true man, and we know you for what you are. Ok you may upset a few people for being outspoken,



But you say what you believe, and in my book that's a good thing. Keep Crusading, it is always a pleasure to talk to such an educated man as your self.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 12:59

I would second message 4 as I have been on one of the Kyrenia walks (January) and it was

very interesting. Can't understand why anyone would be critisizing this, as there was no

pressure to buy map or c.d (but I did anyway)

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 12:59

We joined one of your Kyrenia walks during our Easter stay and found it very informative. We saw historical sites we didn't think existed and they were only one street away from where we regularly walked and yet we hadn't realised their existence.



At no time were we presssurised for payment for the guided walk - we could have just walked away at the end of the walk. However, we decided to purchase the CD.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 13:23

We also have walked on 2 sepatate occasions with you Hans and have been to one of your lectures, we were very well treated and were educated to many things "Cyprus" for that we thank you, we were never nor did we feel pressurised to buy anything, i think it might be appropriate to ignore these people, let them accuse or belittle we know differently, or better still it might broaden their horizons to join in and find out how much goes into preparation, but then again it might be too intellectual for some

A

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 13:46

Hans, my wife and I attended one of your talks on the Third Crusade last February I think it was, and we both really enjoyed the evening. I doubt that anyone who has been to a talk or a walk would say otherwise, and there is no suggestion of any kind that they are a money-making scam. That's just pure malicious nonsense.



On that other post I attempted to point out that two of the posters, Hattikins and Minertor, had been significantly less polite than your "prattlers" comment, but was censored by the No.1 administrator. Minertor in particular used foul language that was in no way disguised or concealed, but for some reason No. 1 let that go. I note Minertor used the same expression on another post also.



I can understand how some of your comments can be abrasive to their targets, but surely we are all adults who can take care of ourselves. To begin a post, as Hattikins did, simply to complain about being bullied was, in my humble opinion, exceedingly precious.

roisin


Joined: 19/03/2009
Posts: 358

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 14:49

I went on the walk around Girne.It was so informative. I didn't buy a cd or map and there was no pressure to do so. Just a very enjoyable couple of hours listening to a very interesting man on a subject that he so obviously loves.

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 15:57

Keep up the good work Hans, you are doing an important service to the island of Cyprus.

Without people like you, much of this history would be forgotten in dusty books.

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 16:19

We took part in one of the Kyrenia walks, loved it, learnt a lot and would not mind doing it again as we missed the end because of torrential rain. We are also looking forward to the Famagusta walks.



The walks and lectures add a new dimension to learning about Cyprus. I do not know what has been said (or, indeed, written) to upset Hans, but hope it will not put him off sharing his fascinating knowledge with others.

MartinM


Joined: 03/10/2009
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 17:24

Hello Hans



If I add my good wishes for the future and thank you for the time and effort you put into our walk I would simply be adding to the previous postings. It would be the truth but not actually helpful. Instead let me give you an old English proverb. Empty vessels make the most noise. Which translates into Idiots shout the loudest. Whilst I can appreciate the provocation I would suggest that you ignore idiot's commenting on that which they do not understand. I don't always agree with your point of view, but this has nothing to do with your professionalism in your approach to the history of this island. That anyone could reproach you for being less than honest I find truly incredible.



Clearly I should add that we are in no way related and I do not get a commission from the sale of your maps or CD's.



All Best wishes for the future Hans and thank you for taking the time out to share your knowledge with us.

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 17:30

Hans, I think that Minertor's 'silence' now says it all really.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 17:40

Bloody Leeds fans,

Paul.

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 18:46

Could be minoter has been banned, not surprising really.



D

jim80


Joined: 01/03/2009
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 18:55

We went on your walk in March and thouroughly enjoyed it. You stressed from the off that it was free and the map or CD were available. I thank you for providing this service and hope to come on another one.

Jim

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 18:56

DC,it wasn't long a go that you were accusing someone of paying off the Lapta Police to lose the results of a breath test after an accident.Did you ever prove the accusation you made?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 21:49

Minertor (Tony) is unable to reply as he is banned until Monday. Watch this space! The defence needs a fair hearing!



Richard

loslobos


Joined: 02/04/2009
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 22:36

My only accusation I can make with some confidence about you, Dutch, me old fruit and sleep enhancer extaordinaire !!! But great for slumberless ones like me. o keep up the good work !



Any other insomniacs out thar ? Shurely I can't be the only one !











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DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 22:39

RE msg 18, gooligan: (...) DC,it wasn't long a go that you were accusing someone of paying off the Lapta Police to lose the results of a breath test after an accident.Did you ever prove the accusation you made? (...)

=> Gooligan, you are a liar or your memory isn't what it used to be. Show or give the URL to the message you are talking about. If you don't do that, I'll report you to Izzet and the moderators for what you are. I've decided to hit back - it's been enough. Your post is absolutely wrong and I can prove it. Your turn.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 22:47

RE msg 19, Brinsley: (...) Minertor (Tony) is unable to reply as he is banned until Monday. Watch this space! The defence needs a fair hearing! Richard (...)

=> 1 : Richard, he calls me your ex-mate (what an error) and acts as if he's your current mate. Fine, I couldn't feel better. 2 : You were banned. Minertor (Tony) is banned. And it's all my fault, isn't it? Wouldn't you two decide to have a meeting and think it all over? What are you trying to achieve, you sad, lonely man..?!

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:01

RE msg 20, loslobos: Really, you're trying to play in the wrong league. This thread is about people who want to learn about (Northern) Cyprus as much as possible. You don't want that. Fine. No problem. - it's very sad to read your post.











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Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:02

Hans

Go to a pharmacist and ask for some mates, you'll find they come in packets of three!



Richard

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:03

For sake! Why dont you meet behind the bicycle sheds at 4.30 and sort this out.













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DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:09

RE msg 25, BillyB : (...) For f#ck sake! Why dont you meet behind the bicycle sheds at 4.30 and sort this out. (...)

=> Some people were taught by their parents not to use such words nor seek such solutions.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:10

Billy B,

I got my first love bite behind the bike sheds at David Lister school,

Paul.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:13

RE the last post, whatever the number: Time for me to leave this thread, awaiting/expecting a decision by a moderator. And if this decision doesn't come - I'm out of here anyway.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:14

Paul

They are called mosquitoes over here and bite everywhere!



Richard

kennyb1


Joined: 06/06/2009
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:16

Hi Hans

Friends of ours went on one of your walks in March and said they had a really enjoyable couple of hours they said it was very informative.We are over in June and was wondering how you book your tour?

Keep posting

Keep smiling

Kenny

loslobos


Joined: 02/04/2009
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:37

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BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:37

Dutch, Yes our parents taught us many things, some I consider right, some I consider wrong. Such is life. My point is you stated that there are 8000+ members on 44 but only a small percentage post now, do you ever wonder why?

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:49

I'd say it is because of people like you, not Dutch.



Dutch, there are some very immature contributers on this board who spoil it for everyone else. It's much easier to ignore them - they really are not worth the effort.



Geoff

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:54

I really wonder who is in bed with whom, must be general election fever!



Richard

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 23:57

Dear British people, my last words in this thread: don't get divided, blame it all on 'Dutch', if you feel like it. Everybody happy? And 'Dutch' is happy to know the kind of British people he's really happy to have met. Shall we end the thread here?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
01/05/2010

Good job that I'm a Kiwi, doesn't apply to me!



Richard

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 00:12

RE msg 36, Brinsley: (...) Good job that I'm a Kiwi, doesn't apply to me! (...)

=> Rich, people around you say that you 'have lost the plot'. I didn't know what it meant so I had to look it up. Sorry, I understand now, I agree with them.

P.S. Try just one bottle less, tomorrow. Just ONE!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 00:16

Hans

I work in gallons, so that could be possible! See you at my chess & scrabble club tomorrow?



Richard

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 00:21

RE msg 30, kennyB: (...) Friends of ours went on one of your walks in March and said they had a really enjoyable couple of hours they said it was very informative.We are over in June and was wondering how you book your tour? (...)

=> Send me an email [ mcf.trnc@gmail.com ] a week or so before you come - I'll be pleased to walk you (and friends?) through old ' walled' Kyrenia - if you promise me to tell other friends about Northern Cyprus and old Kyrenia!

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 00:28

MSG 26; of course they did hans, some uninformed people call then cowerds.

msg 35; surely your not baling out before minorter gets a chance to have his say are you. just when its getting interesting. personaly we enjoyed your toure, did think the mementoes were a bit overpriced but what the heck, thats what they are, mementoes. all our best to your charming wife



D

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 00:51

i CANT BE;EIVE HAND HAS TO DEFEND THIS, sorry caps on. i know he does it all free, the work and research he does to provide us all with the information. hang your heads xxx

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 00:55

RE msg 40, denizen: (...) the mementoes were a bit overpriced (...)

=> You are right. 10 Lira for the map of old Kyrenia, 15 Lira for the CD or 20 Lira for the set. 1: I have the skills to make them. 2: You don't. And now in random order. 3: A CD writer for the purpose costed me 130 Euros. 4: My wife went to Girne every week twice to have the maps printed: 3 TL a piece. 5: We laminated them at home (1,5 TL per laminate, time, plus laminator: 400 TL.). 6: Damage of laminated maps by people who folded the maps although I asked to be careful. Our (my wife and I) driving from Alsancak 16 times to Girne v.v. My wife and I having a cup of coffee afterwards and a small lunch (or did you offer us anything?). I could go on.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 00:57

[ continued from msg 42]

Yeah, it was all 'a bit' overpriced. Who forced you to buy?! Don't worry, you won't be confronted with this money making scam again. I'm sure about 500 people will join for the Famagusta walks - and it'll be the old adagium here also: don't like it? Don't join.

P.S. Where do we agree? Yes, I have a charming wife.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 01:00

Hans

Your prices must have changed from a year ago when it was £10 laminated for a map of Cyprus!



Richard

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 01:10

msgs 42 &43, calm down man, i arent complaining, the walk made up the dif in what i thought the mementoes were worth. but seeing as you raised the subject, the map we were given was NOT laminated, it is now, and the laninater didn't cost anywhere near 400tl, not even a tenth of that. the map was on ordinary paper in a flimsy plastic cover. it was hard to work out where we were on the map because it was looking from seaward, we were walking toward the sea. the cd case said a lecture by yourself, the cd contained 255 photos, no dialogue or commentary, the pics could have been of anyone, anywhere. if you call in Jessics and see my partner he can save you quiet a bit reproducing your map especially, he recons about 25kurus each.

now you have made me look like a whinger, and i wasnt

D

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 01:17

RE msg 44, Brinsley: (...) Your prices must have changed from a year ago when it was £10 laminated for a map of Cyprus! (...)

=> Brinsley, , - it's just not true what you wrote. Go on, Brinsley, walk the line again. But be careful. You may not understand when I don't care anymore about consequences of justified actions when I'm angry.







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newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 01:23

Hans,

You always put yourself out and help people, and personally i dont have a problem with you.There are obviously some people on here that take issues with you,and as you stated earlier one of them namely Minertor has subsequentley been banned,and in my opinion,rightly so.I admire you for starting this post, but feel now is the time to end it.After all you did say that you were going to bow out in message 35,

Paul.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 01:25

RE msg 45, denizen: (...) the laninater didn't cost anywhere near 400tl, not even a tenth of that. (...)

=> Open challenge - take it (I hope...)! When I show you the original bill for the laminator from Deniz Plaza in Girne (and it shows that I am right) do you pay me the figure on the bill? Easy, isn't it? Say yes or no or don't reply (what I expect).

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 01:37

Paul, you are right - although it is sometimes difficult to have lies or wrong statements unchallenged. But again: you are right. So. Bye. Write whatever you want - I'm out (seriously, Paul )

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 01:42

I fetched my laminator from UK, he bought it at aldi for about £12 complete with 20 envelopes, etra envelopes cost about 90p for 10. why would i not reply. whats this open challenge about, i couldnt care less what you paid and why should i pay you the figure on the bill. my son is coming over in august, do you want him to fetch you one, I am beginning to think theres something wrong with you. Notice your threatening Brinsley again who is supposed to be a cripple. I dont know Brinsley but I do know Tony, as do many in Lapta so I will give you some advice out of respect for your wife, do not threaten him, angry or not



D

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 01:43

Sleep tight Hans,

Paul.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 01:46

Denise,

Put a sock in it bonny lass,

Paul.

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 01:53

what am i supposed to do newlad, if id gone out tonight I wouldnt even be involved in this crap.I must have doubled my score today, what did i say to get all this shite aimed my way why cant he accept thatr most people are on his side though the way things are i misdoubt they know him. I hope I dont need to post on here again



D

ps hope hull win 20-0 tomorow

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 01:54

[ The end ] Unfortunately the way it usually ends on this board.

P.S. Good night, Paul!

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 02:02

Denise,

There are three proffessional Hull teams playing over the bank holiday week-end.God we are such a massive City.Personally i hope the one that are playing tomorrow lose.The one that plays on Sunday wins.and the one that plays on Monday also win.Have a great B.H. week-end,

Paul.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 02:14

Hans Msg 46

It was at this time last year when my Mother was staying with me on holiday, went to the Saturday market at Lambousa where your wife was running the stand selling your maps and was quoted £10 for the map! I'll see you tomorrow for a game of chess to see whose brain has been washed away! Oh, by the clock if you can do it!



Richard

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 02:17

Thread closed (as far as I'm concerned).

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 02:18

Paul I love quizzzes and copitions. in darlington we just have the one team all 2000 faNS GET TOGERTHEand show there support'



D

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 02:23

msg 57; dont be too hasty, you still have two days befire minortere can post, not scared are you



D



dont blame me, you fired first

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 02:29

Paul, thread is closed (afaiac), so now for another subject. By the way: is msg 58 still written in the English language?! OK, whatever. I'm playing on line chess now with Temujin, a young man in Mongolia. Fascinating, computers, eh?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 02:32

Darlo a truly fine town,stayed there for a period in 2005,

Paul.

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 02:41

Denizen

With due respect to Hans yours, like mine, probably only does A4. To do B..... whatever, it is a marginally more expensive machine.



Richard

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 02:41

Warning , That was a very serious most uncalled for statement ........... Simbas

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 02:54

I've got the solution. Please watch, for the sake of the kids n old people!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0&NR=1

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 03:01

Better still, just for Han's sentiments!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiWEfKRot7c



Richard

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 03:08

Or maybe how this is going,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZ_9-rbslo



Richard

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 03:15

didnt see the relevance brinsley, heath, nixon, that cuban bloke, what havew they in common



D







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Brinsley


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Message Posted:
01/05/2010 03:25

Denizen

look at Msg 46, brain damage ref. Msg 65 utube, okay?!



Richard

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 03:26

DC is still loggede on, dont you nwant to throw a cureve ba=ll at anyonew dutch, or are you scared it might comew back, with knobs on.



D



is coweard spelt with an "e" or an "a"

remember, YOU started th





????????? Simbas

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 03:29

as the tremeloes sang, Silence is Golden, not though is it. cat got your tongue DC



D

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
01/05/2010 03:39

Another response to Msg 46

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7K4jH7NqUw !



Richard

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 03:53

Okay Denizen, just for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyj2qL-bQ4E



Richard

Hippo


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Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 05:52

As you know the East Mediterranean Yacht rally will visit Kyrenia in May, Hans has offered to conduct tours for the participants in French, German Dutch and English at absolutely no cost.

When i aproached him some months ago i asked a bout a fee, I think this speaks for itself.

He is dpoing something positive abaout promoting the TRNC

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 06:38

Hans,re msg 21.I have looked for that thread and it strangely seems to have disappeared(maybe you already knew that and therefor issued the challenge)

However I did find this one,even Elko mentions in msg 2 that you made some very serious allegations.

Liar am I?

I will expect your appology forthwith,hopefully before this thread gets closed down.



http://www.phpbb88.com/trncvillaowners/viewtopic.php?t=282&mforum=trncvillaowners

stockiefan


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Message Posted:
01/05/2010 07:12

Attention seeker!!!

simbas



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Message Posted:
01/05/2010 08:02

Some of the comments posted above were really uncalled for , and no i am not taking sides . Everyone when joining agreed to abide by rule 3 . You accepted that rule ???

Simbas

simbas



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Message Posted:
01/05/2010 08:03

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was against the forum rules.