The direct trade debate shuffles along

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 11:41

http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/link.asp?twindow=Default&smenu=123&sdetail=10431&mad=No&wpage=&skeyword=&sidate=



Of course they think its wrong as it would give them competition,

Paul.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 12:19

bit of healthy competition between the two sides could help both sides to raise their game Paul. Perhaps both sides could make excellence their goal, pushing them to create an extraordinary island paradise, rather than a zero sum game. The GC's have a head start so they have an opportunity to maximise their first position.



I am sure there is enough to go around

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 12:45

Hi Mark,

I dont think our friends from accross the divide will see it like that though,

Paul.

elko2



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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 13:31

Let us see if my comment will be allowed

"Greek cypriots are trying to avoid direct trade between EU and TRNC and are using the legalities as an excuse.

The fact of the matter is that ROC in its current form is as illegal as TRNC and also the accession of ROC to EU is against the London and Zurich Agreements. However, the international actors knew better and allowed these to go ahead. Now the same international actors (call them hypocrites if you like) think that the situation has changed and thus they will promote TRNC in a number of ways which may ultimately lead to a complete partition. It is entirely up to the Greek Cypriots depending on how clever they continue to be."

ismet

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 14:00

Elko,

How do you see the direct trade situation panning out.It seems to me that no matter what happens in Greece and Sothern Cyprus they still seem to come back with some sort of "plastic" legislation that stops Northern Cyprus from progressing.Where are the other so called "guarantor powers" when you need them,

Paul.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 14:57

one of the contributors from south cyprus, and come all ye, pops up from time

and asks (generally I suppose) "why people do not like the greek cypriots"?



far from it!



reading between the lines of contributions from the many "reunionists"

over the last eighteen months, there was more than a hint of latent sympathy

for the supposedly-europeanised assertively-christian part of the island



and speaking for myself as an unreconstructed "trnc fellow-traveller"

even I sometimes lay awake nights wondering just why the gc's

did all this to themselves, and continue to fuel legalised hatred and distrust:

...well I almost do, anyway



andre

elko2



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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 14:58

I think the Greek cypriots will manage to stop it only to bring a formal partition a step nearer.



I just read in the papers that a delegation from TRNC just returned from Syria and Lebanon and they are hopeful that there will be a big increase in trade between TRNC and the middle east. Their main concern was land for investment that previously belopnged to Greek cypriots. they explained the latest ECHR decision and the compensation board and this was found satisfactory. So gradually there will be a full recognition of TRNC without the approval of UN but with a wink from US. the eventual result will be a base for US in the north. So in the long run the Anglo-Saxons always win

ismet

ang1706


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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 15:14

The Lebanese are 'chomping at the bit' to expand trade with TRNC as only 100 miles away, however the embargo is still a problem. They are not to nonplussed about any objections the Greek Cypriots will make about plans to open the Jounieh to Famagusta ferry crossing- they have even been talking with Syrians about sharing the costs and timetable!

So things are happening but as here it is called 'schwey schwey'

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 21:09

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=3&article_id=114369



Looks like the gcs may stand in the way though Ang,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 21:12

http://www.northcyprus.biz/north_cyprus_FeedRedir.asp?FID=10735



There every bloody where,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 21:16

As i understood it,the Greek Cypriots have lost the power of veto.So why are they persisting,this promise was broken by the E.U. four years ago.Is it going to continue as a broken promise,

Paul.

awellwisher


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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 11:49

From Cyprus Mail







Although nobody would admit it, a time-frame has been set for the conclusion of talks. Brussels is prepared to wait until the end of the year the UN is probably looking at the same deadline, after which, it would probably give up its latest peace drive. The direct trade regulation would then be approved, the north would acquire a Taiwan-type status, Turkey would open a couple of ports and airports to Cyprus traffic and that would be the solution of the Cyprus problem.

newlad



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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 11:58

Here say or fact Wellwisher,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 13:51

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/opinions/our-view-direct-trade-issue-puts-pressure-christofias-deal/20100506



The article from mess 12,

Paul.

ang1706


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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 13:58

Interesting thread here NewLad.

The thoughts are very much focused on what the GC's can achieve by blocking everything (if they get away with it!), but somehow i detect a chink in their armour otherwise the EU would not have allowed it to get this far, Methinks some kind of warning along the lines of have a look at Greece- we need to get everybody trading in the region. If you do not assist do not expect any assistance when all goes belly up!

I live in Beirut and the Lebanese are sick of only hearing the GC side ON EVERYTHING- but even here the 'worm is turning'.

newlad



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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 14:58

Very interesting Ang.I have read a couple of articles regarding trading with Lebanon.I understand some trading does already take place,but because of the embargoes, the North are not allowed to use the quick route,which would take around an hour,

Paul.

ang1706


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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 15:10

Thats correct, I have to fly a 20 mins flight from Beirut to Larnaca so if Embargoes are lifted can you imagine what Ercan Airport will be like- more than 16 flights a day!

The Lebanese are the descendants from the Phonecians and trading is in their blood.

I personally hope the Embargoes are lifted soon as everytime we come through Larnaca my wife (whose Lebanese) gets nothing but hard times from Customs and this is after the dramas of applying for a Visa, We now have to get a friend to send a letter of invite backed up with their Residency and passport copies.

You mention the North and the Consul goes mental- calling it 'Occupied Territories' so you see what chance have these peace talks got with Consuls like this!

Roll on equality for the TRNC as I strongly believe it will happen and free trade is the opening I hope!

newlad



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Message Posted:
06/05/2010 15:27

Ang,

I will drink to that,

Paul.

PMF68


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Message Posted:
07/05/2010 07:12

The GC's losing their Veto all depends which committee actually make the decision, from what I understand if it is classed as an International matter they lose the Veto if it is classed as an internal EU matter they still have the right to Veto.





Paul

andre 514


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Message Posted:
08/05/2010 20:14

there seems little doubt the south cypriots are at a serious impasse



reading between the lines, although any doubt about getting back the north

(one day?) seems firmly surpressed even at this late stage

there appears to be a growing unease about the practical aspects of

keeping the pressure up against north cyprus



after all if you have a europe more interested in its financial woes

than the rights and wrongs of a limited and very local dispute.,

and your legal onslaught on the property issue is at least temporarily blunted

with the eu even talking about breaching the isolations, for that's what it is



...then what have you got, only your dreams perhaps, without a compromise



we should hear a bit from the other lot or did they take an early shower?



andre

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
08/05/2010 20:56

Indeed, andre 514, are not RoC violating, where it suits them, the terms of the very embargo on trade,etc., that they so vociferously keep maintaining should be strictly observed by everyone else?!

newlad



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Message Posted:
10/05/2010 09:23

They (GCs) just seem to stick two fingers up to the powers that be and carry on getting away with it,

Paul.