Stop The Auction on June 6th

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
06/05/2010 19:21

Posted today on HBPG site - http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/diary.html



Auction of buyers properties

The date for the auction of the Kulaksiz Karsiyaka properties has been set for Sunday the 6th June 2010 in the Durmus Pasaogullari Coffee Shop in Karsiyaka Square (going West it is on the right hand side opposite the Lapta Belediyesi sub-office), starting at 10am. See Notice posted



Please support these unfortunate buyers by turning up at the auction for a peaceful demonstration of your abhorrence of this situation. Please read Cyprus Today 24 March 2010 Hammer blow for pensioner, aged 87



Personal view

There is no excuse for people not to turn up to attempt to stop this auction. There are 2 article on HBPG that show that builders are just taking the p*** because they know that all you people are just rolling over and paying.



June 6th is the date to strike back.

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
06/05/2010 19:27

We will be there

puppylover



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Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
06/05/2010 19:37

We will be there too.

batgirl


Joined: 04/02/2009
Posts: 676

Message Posted:
06/05/2010 20:22

We will be there

lets make it a great attendance from all the expats and tcs to show that we will not be taken for a ride by the banks and builders

local and international press will be there,

it doesn,t matter where you live or if you are in the comfort zone of title deeds etc please show your support these people need your help so think if you where in there situation would you not want help by people just turning up to support you in your time of need?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
06/05/2010 21:30

Is there no (legal) way to gazump this pack of crooks?



Sorry, I forgot that 'moral' and 'decent' are words that have yet to be demonstated as understood by 'the powers that be'.



Is the IPC going to 'cough up' for the Orams and all the victims of these government condoned scams?



They bloody well should!



If, indeed, such confidence tricks are not condoned, the law would have already been changed.



Oh, I'm sorry again - I didn't realise that the 'Talks' seem to take precedence over TRNC's reputation and economy.

Marilyn


Joined: 29/08/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 01:21

This is simply shameful.

The lender should be seeking the liquid assets of the debtor rather than wishing to evict foreigners who bought properties and paid for the construction in good faith.

Also the interest rates are exhorbitant, and it is difficult to imagine any borrower taking out loans on this basis.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 10:26

As I understand it, the borrower never made a single repayment from taking out the loan so why did the bank not deal with him 5 years ago.



It is not just the borrower that has not been dealt with but his guarantor has not been tackled for the cash.



I stand to be corrected but the builder also has 3 houses in the same area that the bank has not attemted to possess.



All in all this is a case where we all got to turn out and demonstrate our feelings. We would also get support from TC's as well, the last auction we turned out for and stopped at least half the residents under threat were TC.

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 10:52

I tried to post something about this yesterday but couldn't for some reason. There are too many people who face this same situation. Please turn up and show your support.

calamity


Joined: 16/01/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 12:51

I think this is a disgusting and shameful action by the banks - these people bought their property in good faith and could lose everything. Why has nothing been done by the banks to get the builder to pay back the money??

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 14:41

It is an absolute disgrace but although we all think that, without action nothing will change. It is up to the expat community and affected TCs to support these unfortunate people.

And action needs to be directed at the banks. In my opinion, this bank - Akfinans - are acting immorally. They loan out 100k TL, let it run for years at Mafia style loan-shark compound interest rates, then calmly turf innocent people out of their homes to make a tidy profit. As a business model it is perfect: the bank makes a huge profit from these poor individual's misery - without doing any work. And Akfinans are not alone - many other banks are just lining up to follow the lead. Easy profit - nice bonuses. Typical bankers worldwide.

So I would urge everyone and anyone to turn up at this auction to demonstrate peacefully against this injustice. Only when good people stand up together against this EVIL (and it is evil) will anything be done to stop it and hopefully stamp it out.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 18:56

If you are TC, you can't be arrested and the police can't touch you - if expat, I suppose you could tell the police that you've come as a 'bidder', but then you'd have to remain 'stum' as regards any verbal protestations go.



Didn't someone (allegedly) say the 'Secret Police' were (allegedly) at the 'Sun Villas' Auction protest and were photographing prodigiously - one wonders just what for - Immigration?



I have known one wonderful, elderly couple who face losing their home in this diabolical confidence trick - I've known them for 25+ years. I shan't stand idly by!



If this auction should succeed - God forbid - the TRNC's reputation loss re the Orams will be miniscule compared to the huge adverse publicity that will be generated by this 'shocker'.



In my message on Talat's website - regrettably too late now - I left a message in no uncertain terms, just WHO this government seems to be allowing to be evicted.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 18:59

Msg 11/ Cont'd:



This well intentioned advice was for the BENEFIT of TRNC - not merely criticism of such blatant corruptive practice.

batgirl


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Posts: 676

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 08:28

btt please make this a "sticky" and can everyone show their support here and on the day

cooper


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Message Posted:
08/05/2010 08:50

Good idea batgirl, could this be made a sticky please ??

Earlybird


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Posts: 816

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 09:50

There is an article here... http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/05/08/kulaksiz-5-auction-day-29/



This really is scandalous.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 10:07

tenakatou



At sun villas is was helpful that some of thos whose houses were being sold were TC so they led the shout down.



My own view is that we need a concerted effort to promote what is going to happen on june 6th getting the message across to everyone that matters, starting with the whole TC population so they know what a disgusting thing this is, many do not know because I feel it is kept low key by the government. It has to be kept within the law of course!!! We can get it into UK press and who knows where else but does that benefit us in the long term??



Obviously on 6th it has just got to be a massive turnout and ensure as much press as possible



I know that some moves are being made away from forums to try to formulate a plan of action regarding some of the above but the worry is that apathy will as usual prevail.



How can a solid campaign be set up and how many people will offer both initial organisation and then how many will stick there heads above the parapet.

cyprusishome


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Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 10:08

Come on admin, this must be made a sticky, we are talking about peoples lives here.

Teresa


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Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 10:33

cyprusishome msg 7 are you sure that the 3 houses owned by the landowner are not included in the auction???? From my understanding there are 2 plots of land and it is the houses built on those 2 plots that are up for auction so that would include the 3 houses??

batgirl


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Posts: 676

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 10:54

WHY IS THIS NOT A "STICKY"?

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 11:04

hi batgirl i beleive you have to email izzet to request it

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 11:25

Teresa,



Unfortunaltey we are all lead by what we are told, in good faith.



I will revisit my source for an answer but it will not be today.



David

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 11:28

waste of time - the Gov't have not done anything in the past to help the plight of the Brits that bought in the TRNC, so why do you think they are going to listen now ??

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 11:31

I take it you wont be there then Nick ? Negative by name and Negative by nature !!

Tootie


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Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 12:08

Funny you should say that Nick !

Article from todays Cyprus Today Newspaper.....



"The Orams breathed a sigh of relief yesterday as the TRNC government paid initial court costs of £750, 000 following their landmark property battle. The Orams’s house in the UK is ’safe for now’."



Don't read like nothing to me mate.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 12:32

Nick is right. you only have to look at the HBPG site to see that endless meetings,letters, and the complaints office have achieved nothing and certainly have not inspired the government to take any positive, preventative action to safeguard buyers. The same old problems are just repeated by buyers new to the island.



However that does not mean that people should sit back and accept what is happening. Perhaps it's time to change tactics? So far the message given by the HBPG and forum members has simply been to be very careful,follow their do's and don't s. No guarantee that you won't get stung just makes it slightly less likely.



Has the time come to suggest that people DO NOT PURCHASE here until it is made safe to do so? Would hitting the pockets of those that are responsible for this mess and actually encourage it by remaining inactive have the desired effect? As money appears to be the driving force for allowing corruption to continue, perhaps cutting it at source might work?

Lakelandlady


Joined: 15/11/2009
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 14:08

Just for a start why doesnt everyone who has money in Akfinans Bank close their accounts and take them elsewhere ? I certainly would not support them.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 14:49

Here is a point - whether valid, or not, I don't know: surely those people disaffected by this scandalous scam have a right to claim back their losses from IPC?



Why?



Because they were illegally sold the 'deal' in the first place.



Why illegally?



Because, according to internationally decided protocol, the sale of Greek Cypriot owned property in TRNC is an illegal act, and even if sold to unsuspecting persons, still remains the legally owned property of the pre 1974 Kocan holder.



That is precisely the reason Mr. Apostolides won his case against the Orams.



Of course, the IPC could, if such claims were to be made by disaffected foreigners, or TC's, rule that their only obligation is to compensate for the land, but not for the building(s) thereon, if those buildings were constructed post '74.



If this policy should eventuate, buyers affected by this bank mortgage lending scam would still surely incur the substantial loss of the build cost of their house property.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 15:38

bradus,



you have a point in trying to do a "blockade" but it will not happen. Look at how many people have come on forums over the last 5 years at least I have been on them and they have been warned of the pit falls yet still go ahead and buy. Followed a year later by the bleats on these forums.



I also suggested the blockade of a builder and his various business enterprises last year and was laughed off the forum.



Sorry to sound negative but got quite a number of t-shirts of attneding protests, meetings etc and finding the same 10 people there. The rest.. I am getting to the point of pulling up the ladder, sorting my own problems and stuff the rest.



I do believe that very soon the walls are going to come tumbling down, take note of the other thread I started from HBPG - if you have no kocan you may soon be in even bigger problems and there will be nobody there to help you.



Our garage owner puts it into context, he has now employed a Russian speaker to work for him!!!!!!

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 18:41

The last one was stopped this one will also be stopped and there will be a much bigger turnout this time of both TC’s and Brits. This action shames the TRNC.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 19:03

Msg 28

At the last auction I made a legitimate bid of 20 Euros which was not overtaken. I'm still waiting for the paperwork to sign but I think the auctioneer was bent!



Richard

rocking


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Message Posted:
08/05/2010 19:05

I will certainly attend to show my support for these villa owners.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/05/2010 19:09

Am I the only one noticing any 'irony' re 'objections' to other foks homes being 'sold'......

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 19:31

Re Msg 32:



No you're not, 6m's - not if you read my msg 27.



However, since Strasbourgs ruling re IPC compensation, do you consider that this has 'lent' legitimisation to the sale of GC pre '74 property in TRNC?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 19:50

re 33



my apologies.. you got the irony first ;( !!!



re the ECHR ruling on the legitimacy of the IPC.. Don't u/stand why more GCs don't pile in and test out the IPC and it's rulings...

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 20:05

As the ECHR pointed out two wrongs do not make anything right. And I think they mentioned the rights of the present occupiers also. Is anyone prepared to give compensation too the people whose homes are being stolen by chicanery. This must be stopped, and if people power is the only way, so be it.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 20:09

Mark

Message 34:



' Don't u/stand why more GCs don't pile in and test out the IPC and it's rulings...'

I think we all know why don't we? The ROC government is actively trying to discourage their own people from applying to the IPC.

Driveover


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 20:24

Please bring as many people to support the disuption of this auction.



The bank should have recouped their money by selling builder and landowners assets. THe Kyrenia bank managers stated in a meeting that he did not want to persue them as they were his friends. He also stated he did not care where he got his money back from.



Let's go along and stop it.

joandjelly


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Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 20:39

Teresa - msg 18, yes the landowner's three houses are included in the auction and his family that live in two of them will also lose their homes if they are sold.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 20:48

mmmmmm - re msg 34: I don't think you understood my question in my msg 33 - it's nothing to do with GC's applying to IPC.



Please re-read, and I'm sure many forum readers, including myself, would appreciate knowing your considered opinion.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
08/05/2010 20:49

Due to inflation my opening and final bid will be 30 Euros!



Richard

Hector


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Message Posted:
08/05/2010 22:25

Back to top where it belongs.

Teresa


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Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 08:36

Joandjelly, i was there the night the landowners mum found out about this, for anyone who does not know this family she is an elderly lady who has suffered a stroke and lives in the house with her daughter. I am surprised the shock of this did not finish her off.

I will be there on the day to show support for everyone who faces losing their homes.

joandjelly


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Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 12:00

It is a shame that Yuksel's mum and the rest of the family will also be affected but then they do have other property very near by that they can move into unlike 87 year old Mike who, incidentally, is a lot older than Yuksel's mum. I wonder if we could all bunk in together perhaps.

gotavilla


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Posts: 175

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 13:26

Come on admin, this must be made a sticky, we are talking about peoples lives here.

BoTanica


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Posts: 714

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 13:31

Is there not any redress to be had from the Solicitors who allowed the purchase of mortgaged properties? I understood from my 1st contract to buy over here (8 yrs ago) that the solicitor will check the title deeds prior to monies being handed over to avoid this situation.

gotavilla


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Posts: 175

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 13:31

Back to the top.

joandjelly


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Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 13:41

BoTanica, the properties were sold PRIOR to the mortgage being taken out.

wanderer


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Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 13:44

NCFP

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/05/09/kulaksiz-5-auction-day-28/#comment-6533

decanddyl


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Posts: 792

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 16:29

Will be there and do not forget the Sunday Market in the Park Cafe at the same time.

cyprusishome


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Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 16:49

Even though there are several requests to make this a sticky plus I have e-mailed izzet there seems some reluctance on behalf of admin to do so.



Any reasons please as this topic is probably the most important on going with ramifications for many other people.

cooper


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Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 17:09

I have also e-mailed izzet and requested it to be a sticky, but then i e-mailed him last week about something and didn't receive a reply. Perhaps if it was to make a donation we would have received a reply by now ??

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
09/05/2010 17:15

Just for the record, the only person that can make a post 'sticky' is Izzet.

AJ

cooper


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Message Posted:
09/05/2010 17:26

I know that AJ, this is one know one can blame you for )

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 18:15

this is just so awful as one a victim of mr robber, my heart goes out. we will be thetre. however this government should show us they really do care more than putting an expensive buffet on before the elections to woo us, show us by putting as stop to this and stop thje banks xxxx

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 19:48

I believe representation has been made to the International media that may well be present, even if in a clandestine manner.



Richard

Teresa


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Message Posted:
09/05/2010 22:49

Joandjelly as far as i know the old house that the mum used to live in is also on the same deeds so they will all be homeless, there has been no contact between Yuksel and the family for a very long time, our support will be for everyone on that site who faces losing their homes.

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
09/05/2010 23:27

good luck to you all i hope you get justice you deserve

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
10/05/2010 08:38

Thank you Izzet. Everyone involved appreciate your efforts



David

joandjelly


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Message Posted:
10/05/2010 08:57

Hi Teresa, we will also be supporting everyone but the old house is definitely not on the deeds otherwise it would be included in the auction.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
10/05/2010 09:25

Theresa,



Yuksel Yilmaz's mothers house is not on the same deeds as the residents

of Kulaksiz 5. How do I know, because I did a search at the Land Registry

with a view to putting an injuction on it and found they were still in

the mothers name and not in the name of Yuksel Yilmaz which I think you

already know. She will not be homeless, neither will her daughter and

her family, they can move back into the homes they now rent out at

500 TL per month to Turkish families. These houses are on separate

Kocans in Yuksel Yilmaz's mothers name so 'ring fenced' from us.



Pauline Read

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
10/05/2010 23:08

Well done Pauline for those points.



Most of the people who view this thread do no fully understand the implications of what is happening.



In my simple mind this just confirms my original text that the builder has no comitment to the debts on this site.



No different to events in UK where builders etc secrete money and property into other names

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/05/2010 14:39

Posted simply to inform, 'educate', or remind people:





http://www.north-cyprus-property.org/name_and_shame.htm

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
11/05/2010 16:07

I have to add at this stage an important note.



There must be no banners or other signs of protest at the auction.



Anyone doing so may cause a problem for themselves but more importantly to the people directly concerned.

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
11/05/2010 16:44

No worries, I'm a serious bidder with 30 Euros in ready cash!



Richard

gotavilla


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Message Posted:
12/05/2010 08:20

back to the top

gotavilla


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Message Posted:
12/05/2010 09:02

BACK TO THE TOP ...............

cyprusishome


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Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
12/05/2010 12:19

sticky did not last long.



back to top!!!!!!!

nareik


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Message Posted:
12/05/2010 12:58

Back to the top...........

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
12/05/2010 17:08

Who used 'Woolworth's' glue for this 'Sticky' - come on, own up????? !!!!!

LondonCypriot


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
12/05/2010 18:06

Get the British consulate involved, and ask them to write a letter to the Turkish Cypriot authorities.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
12/05/2010 19:09

The consular representativeon the TRNC side is TC - he probably wouldn't want to 'rattle any cages' - who could blame him?



Now, who else is there - any suggestions?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
12/05/2010 19:32

msg 70



We talked to High Commision staff a couple of months ago regarding building problems in general. Simple answer - they do not want to know!!!!



First, UK Foreign Office advice is not to buy in TRNC.



Second, the UK government does not involve itself in internal matters of another country. DOH, what about Iraq, Afghanistan etc, isn't that involving themseleves.



As far as UK government is concerned - you are on your own pal!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
12/05/2010 20:34

Same the South side - a vicar's son and girlfriend got seriously injured by an (unprovoked - the *'Kamaki' fancied his fiance) attack by 'Young EOKA' - British High Commission didn't want to know, although pressured by my uncle (recently retired British Foreign Office).



That should give a clear message!



[*Kamaki is the Greek word for a fish spear, or trident - the young, hot-blooded Greeks are very proud to be called 'Kamakis' - it means they are so accomplished and experienced at 'Spearing/pulling and seducing' foreign tourist girls!]

LondonCypriot


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Message Posted:
13/05/2010 00:49

There are some EU offices in Lefkosa, could you not contact them for help

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
13/05/2010 07:03

Sorry London cypriot you are barking up the wrong tree. Yes there is an EU office but as above!!



The only people who can sort out this brown mess is the government and for people to get their heads out of the sand and fight. If enough foreigners turned out at all the events that have been held in the past then the governments may have listened but with 4 that turned out at last one etc then I am afraid people reap what they sow.



How many more people are going to die with buying homes here being the underlying cause before the rest of you wake up.



Even if you win your case like Don & Sheila Vango the builder at the moment will still win. The we find the builder which is Beydola still getting business from Foreigners who should no better.



We tried to start a campaign against Beydola builder, Polar Restaurant and Polar foods and again all we got was - no body is stopping me eating what and where I want.



The answer lies in the hands of all of us.

cyprusishome


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Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
13/05/2010 07:51

If anyone is still in any doubts about getting external help, take a look at Spain. This in Daily Telegraph.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/7696844/Expats-fear-the-arrival-of-Spains-fast-track-demolition.html

Troodo


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Message Posted:
13/05/2010 09:54

I stopped going to Polar, I am surprised he is still in business.

gotavilla


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Message Posted:
13/05/2010 13:03

Back to the top

Troodo


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Message Posted:
13/05/2010 15:43

Back to the top.

nareik


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Message Posted:
13/05/2010 16:28

back to the top

gotavilla


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Message Posted:
13/05/2010 18:36

back to the top

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
13/05/2010 21:11

This is boring but as Izzet only seemed that 2 days was enough for sticky got to keep it at top manually.

joanie1


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Message Posted:
13/05/2010 22:21

There are so many people living here who think "Oh I'm okay - I've got my kocan - -dont rock the boat! well I have my kocan - don't disbelieve - yes from Santa Fe with minor problems resolved by negotiation rather than lawyers - but that will not stop me (and dear friends of mine who also have their kocan from a different builder) from supporting decent people like the Frenches and their neighbours - yes we want to give support to them and all those whose homes are under threat - by loopholes in the law exploited by dodgy banks and developers. But come on everyone - just think about the situation - you might think it is nothing to do with you - but of course it is - our little piece of Paradise and our homes would be worth a fortune if all this evil exploitation could be removed. One day we or our heirs might want to sell - do we want to leave them this cr**. We cannot bury our heads in the sand - stand up and be counted - I'm coming back early from holiday just to offer suppport

Mallard


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
13/05/2010 22:59

Well said Joan! We will be with you on the 6th June and would urge everyone who can spare the time to do the same. We have come through our nightmare but still have thoughts for those who haven't - yet.

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
13/05/2010 23:13

Thanks Mallard - come on everyone else - in the cause of either justice or self interest be there on June 6th.



Joan

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 07:19

back again

MartinM


Joined: 03/10/2009
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 08:04

;lijgnbvijg bhjr

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 08:35

joanie1 mentions 'loopholes in the law' - surely, if other laws can be changed, seemingly on someone's whim, yet the public, especially the expats, are the last ones to know, then how hard can it be for the government to address the most serious legal anomalies - i.e. those that abound and proliferate within the construction and real estate industry - supposedly, the 'lifeblood' of the TRNC economy?



We all want to see the TRNC and its people thriving; the question is, why is the government, or 'the powers that be', continuing to be so complacent about the situation?

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 10:18

Message 87



Well that's easy for you to say

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 10:52

Msg 88,



Probably because they are all part of the same system and would loose lots of income if things changed!!

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 13:00

If the Government got their act together, brought fairness and transparancy to the system, got the existing problems sorted out - then this would generate more income for the local TC's going forward. How can they not see that? Surely they must be aware of the huge negativity towards buying property in TRNC from the people who are already here! If nothing is done about it, it will only fester and get worse. It will take a true leader to take this problem by the scruff of the neck and get it sorted. I cannot see anyone of that stature within TRNC politics - now or in the future.



And so it remains for the expat community to support itself - I hope that this protest will be a focal point for everyone to bind together for the common good. Wishful thinking, methinks!

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 17:20

Back to the top.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 23:25

Perhaps, those in the 'Rich Club' think they have enough stashed away already, and can spend up large, in perpetuity - and 'sod the rest' of their compatriots: 'Bugger thee, Mehmet, I'm in my Porsche 'Cayenne' - thee'st in ya 'Tofas'!'



It all too apparent.



How can anyone analyse the situation any differently?

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 07:14

Back to the top

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 07:34

A coupla three weeks ago, the Turkish Cypriot press featured a front page story about an (alleged) fraudster, together with a large photo of him being led away in handcuffs.



This man had (allegedly) previously forged our vendor's signature and helped himself to a substantial mortgage on our house that we had paid for in full.



Our advocate advised us not to involve the police as it was a civil matter; then, because we didn't have our Kocan, further advised that the legal procedure in TRNC is to sue the vendor, who in turn should sue the fraudster.



To cut a long story short, it all fizzled out after two court sessions - the fraudster didn't even appear, but later repaid the mortgage debt. He is a 'recently retired' bank manager!



We only first discovered this act of skulduggery when we went to pay our Stamp Duty.



The fraudster walked away 'Scott free' - and the litigation involved cost us £13,000 - we re-couped not a penny in costs - thanks to this 'legal system'.

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 10:30

I wonder if Hassan Sungur (head oif estate agents union) will be attending as he is regularly in the press saying how he wants to improve things for buyers, or any of the other estate agents who claim they wish to improve things. I wonder if Sonner Yetkili (head of construction union) will also be going as he is another person regularly in the press calling for changes to improve things. Or any other developers/builders who mkae the same claims. I wonder if the head of BARO will be there or any other lawyers who claim they wish to improve things. Wouldn't it be great if they were!!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 17:58

A 'legal system' that sanctions outright fraud and, apparently, no government appointed 'watchdog' committee to advise the government of 'nefarious dealings' and 'allowable negligence' that affect current property owners and might adversely affect the decision of potential buyers - surely this cannot be the case in TRNC - can it?



Can anyone answer this vital question?



I think we ALL know the definitive answer!

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
16/05/2010 12:12

back to the top

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
16/05/2010 13:06

Back to the top

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
16/05/2010 14:40

Any ideas as to what those that cannot make it to the auction can do to support all involved?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
16/05/2010 14:57

http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/Letters/Rambler_racism_may10.html



Says it all.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
16/05/2010 21:28

In case any of 'the powers that be' interpret various postings on this, or other threads as unwarranted criticism of the TRNC government, they must surely realise that the majority of expats who live here fervently wish for the TRNC to thrive. Consequently, any 'criticism' made is in order to alert the government and lawmakers to amend certain glaring legal anomalies, purely for the benefit of their own citizens and their own country, not forgetting expats and visitors.



For my own part, any of my postings are, or have been made, with the best of intentions towards the TRNC.



If the above sounds thoroughly obsequious, informed forum members should realise the reasons for making such a statement.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
16/05/2010 21:58

Tenakoutou

Ref message 102

Just be careful.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
16/05/2010 22:05

AJ

Worry not, Tenakoutou and and I have been well warned off! Let the T-shirt and tattoo brigade take over as the voice of the 'people'!



Richard

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
16/05/2010 22:42

Seriously guys, have you really been warned off and if so, by who? Please email me as I live on the site in question.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
16/05/2010 22:55

Msg 105

To reply privately does not seem to be fair to those that are interested in this case/post, but I have been assured that C44 is well monitored by the government and its agencies compiling a 'black list' of possible 'agent provocateurs'.



Richard

gotavilla


Joined: 22/04/2009
Posts: 175

Message Posted:
17/05/2010 10:57

Message 104. Have you really been warned off? Why can't you share it on here.

Message 105. Are the government really compiling a 'black list' of possible 'agent provocateurs'? How do you know this?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
17/05/2010 11:41

gotavilla/Msg 107: 'Message 105. Are the government really compiling a 'black list' of possible 'agent provocateurs'? How do you know this?'



This is purely speculative paranoia.



And even if this site is subject to 'monitoring', any innocent victim of injustice can hardly be branded as an 'agent provocateur', merely by posting his, or her, account of what everyone knows to be morally, ethically and, in terms of normal and decent 'human rights', unjust.

gotavilla


Joined: 22/04/2009
Posts: 175

Message Posted:
17/05/2010 12:18

Thanks for that Tenakoutou. I'd still like a reply Brinsley, though. Posting that sort of stuff will scare people off from attending the 'Stop the Auction' rally to peacefully protest against what is happening to those poor people. Lets be positive on here, please. Turn up in our thousands (and there are thousands of us living here in TRNC) and let the powers that be know that we're not going to roll over and that we're a force to be reckoned with. Lets face it, we've got enough brains between the lot of us to actually form a government!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
17/05/2010 13:04

Please read this link:



http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/.../rauf-denktas-supports-cancellation-of-akfinans-auction/ -

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
17/05/2010 13:13

Believe me, you could not have a better ally than RD.

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
17/05/2010 13:17

That's wonderful news. As Mr. Denktas said - this is a TRNC problem, and they need to sort it out. Burying their heads in the sand and trying to wash their hands of the problem will achieve nothing. At least some (ex) politician is addressing the issue.

Well done Mr. Denktas for taking this first step. There's hope for the TRNC at last!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
18/05/2010 09:49

It appears that Kulaksiz 5 residents have Mr. Denktash's 'sympathy vote', which hopefully, at the very least, might get the auction postponed. That would allow time for another strategy to be considered.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
18/05/2010 15:10

msg. 95

Tenakotou wrote: "The fraudster walked away 'Scott free' - and the litigation involved cost us £13,000 - we re-couped not a penny in costs - thanks to this 'legal system'. "



When you win your case the court normally awards costs in your favour but unfortunately most advocates see it as the iceing on the cake. This is one of the reasons why I do not recommend any advocate. Anyway, 13,000 pounds seems far too much but what can I say?

In a recent case we sued a well known developer for money back in Famagusta. My wife charged 1000 pounds to the client. The developer played the delaying tactics up to a point and eventually after nine months settled out of court with full refund plus part of interest. They also agreed to pay 1000 pounds costs. Alternatively they offered a much bigger costs but no interest. Obviously my wife rejected the second offer and settled for minimum costs. Normally her fees summmed up to much higher total but in the name of a settlement she settled for far less. As a result the client did not have to pay a penny more except the initial 1000 pounds and she got her money back plus part interest and no transfer charges since I do that free of charge on the internet.

So it boils down to how reasonable your advocate is. BTW, she does not accept cases outside Famagusta because she is far too busy. Of course she has a very good adviser who gets her in trouble with other lawyers now and again

ismet

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
18/05/2010 16:48

elko2/Msg 114:



The point is, we weren't allowed, according to our advocate, because the Kocan is in our Vendor's name, to sue the fraudster direct - we had to sue the Vendor - it was never made clear to us, despite protesting, why there was no follow up. I know the reason damn well - but daren't publish it on a forum.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
18/05/2010 18:18

Hi Tenakoutou, just checking to see if you received my email?

Jo

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
18/05/2010 18:31

I did, indeed, Jo - didn't you receive my reply - maybe a 'Mail Delivery Failure'?

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
18/05/2010 18:57

I've only received the same message you sent yesterday which was in quick succession to your first.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
20/05/2010 08:27

back to top

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
20/05/2010 10:23

Msg 118: I PM'd you yesterday - hope you received it.....

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
20/05/2010 14:50

What is the latest on the auction? Is it still going ahead?

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
20/05/2010 19:38

Good of the retired President to try and do something about this terrible injustice. What about the government ministers & politicians?

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
20/05/2010 20:26

Hector,

They're after votes & support - from the very people who are perpetrating these acts

Haven't you got a grasp of TRNC politics yet?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
20/05/2010 22:19

It's so hard to tell the 'goodies' from the 'baddies'!!!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
20/05/2010 22:38

Msg 124

I know which corner I'm standing in (having left it out), the uglies!



Richard

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
21/05/2010 17:19

It's amazing just what the 'politicians' don't know about or claim they don't in such a small place where allegedly everyone knows everyone.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
21/05/2010 18:47

It's their interpretation of 'political awareness', Hector!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
23/05/2010 09:01

I am confident that this forward thinking government will implement the necessary changes very soon - Cyprus time!

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 17:52

In case people have been following this thread, a new one has started today which is - have you seen the annoncement - thread 37069.



You must read this link that is posted there -



This link should give access to the full notice.



http://tinyurl.com/23bw3nu



Full of threats from akfinans management. Should really get everyone going now.

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 19:24

Even former TRNC president Rauf Denktash is lending his support to stop this disgusting situation. The rate of 80% interest charged (from CT) on this loan is nothing short of loan-sharking. How did they realistically expect the mortgagees to repay it? Is Akfinans saying they knew nothing about the sales contracts on this land? What checks did they do to establish if any sales contracts had been entered into prior to granting the mortgage?







In my opinion this is bad and retarded business practice, even without a recession, and will only create more negative publicity for TRNC at a time when we desperately need to encourage investments/positive business practices. The economy is dead, but there are many ways via positive changes in the construction to inject growth into it.







Akfinans said that it's a criminal offence to create public opinion about them, but the last thing I knew, alleged slander/libel was a civil matter. The defence to which is the truth or personal opinion

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
26/05/2010 21:42

well put Sibel.



I hope you do not mind (oopps too late) in letting people know that you are TC so the Brits who are worried about acting know that there is support across the board.



David

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 07:22

I have made 24 postings in 20 days - just to try to keep this horrific nightmare [for those involved] at the top of the page in order to attempt to increase public awareness. A couple of days ago, it had slipped halfway down Page 2.



Do I, and no doubt others, detect a slight, but only slight, note of apathy amongst the expat community?



What do you think?



If forum readers/members do not make a concerted effort to keep this thread in a prominent position on Page 1, it certainly doesn't bode well for a large public attendance at this iniquitious auction of innocent victims' properties.

MotoMoto


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 09:11

I for one will be there, as I was at the Sun Villa's attempted auction



I just hope I can control my temper, otherwise I will probably be arrested!

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 09:51

tenakoutou



You will remember I tried to get this thread made a sticky to avoid this nonesense.



WE GOT TWO DAYS in middle of may.



I wonder if there was some outside influence brought to bear?????????

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 10:24

Strong views given re conduct of Bank. If genuinely not aware that builder had encumbered title by taking sales monies when bank charge applied when did they become aware and did they mitigate their potential loss by giving early notice to those with a legal interest ?. What rule did the court apply in deliberation, the literal rule, the golden rule, the mischief rule ? Clearly the tortfeaser is the builder who perhaps will escape unscathed plus of course the Bank should forfeit it's charge if its conduct in making and continuing the loan was shown to be anything short of ethical. What happened to the rules of natural justice whereby the Court are guided not to make a judgment which will cause a perverse outcome. The legal system seemed happy enough when the ECHR recently said they were not in the business of making the innocent homeless. Oh sorry, forgot the Gang Rule ! In this household hearts bleed for those innocently ensnared in what must be a nightmare for them.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 11:36

Why is this thread not a sticky, surely it affects all of us who have property here, come on Izzet, move it to the top.

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 12:13

back to the top please

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 12:34

Akfinans Bank is running scared. Threatening good people with criminal consequences. The houseowners have been wronged by TRNC and it's legal system - a system which is not fair and just. Their only "crime" was ignorance and trusting the alleged professionals they paid to look after their interests.

It is now more important than ever that the expat community turn out to support their unfortunate neighbours. Imagine if it were you that was being evicted - would it not be inspiring to know that you had the support of your community behind you? And where is the BRS in all this? They should STAND UP AND BE COUNTED!



AND THIS THREAD SHOULD BE A STICKY.

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 12:53

Back to the top pleeeeeas

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 13:12

STICKY urgently required.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 13:28

nareik,



you made the first msg on here where I fell over laughing - "BRS"



They do not give a ****** about people, certainly judging by there recent events they have been proved to be what we all know they are.

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 13:40

cyprusishome,



I hope you are not having a go at me for mentioning the BRS. I am sure that there are some BRS members (I am not a member) who are also members of Cyprus44 that might just say: this is exactly the type of situation that the BRS should get involved in. And they may just raise the issue at the next BRS meeting. And something might happen. And it might not. But there is no harm in trying.

Certainly, if no-one does anything - nothing will happen.

Only a suggestion on my part - not a laughing matter. It's too important for that.

Marvo


Joined: 30/04/2007
Posts: 194

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 14:15

This is not a sticky, yet we have 2 sticky's at the moment, one for a Pumas end of season ball and the other for a pumas v blackburn game.



Someone in C44 admin should have a long hard look at themselves.

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 14:49

Cyprusishome re message 131, of course I don't mind! There are many TCs who have been affected with property problems here, including myself. There are also many TCs who are appalled at what has happened to expats who contribute to the economy here.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 14:57

It is a disgrace that this has not been made a sticky, obviously those in positions of power on this board are more interested in money and rugby than the trauma these people are being put through. Or is it another example of democracy TRNC style.

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 16:29

What does it take to make this a sticky?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 18:18

nariek,



I was laughing at the thought of BRS actually doing anything, certainly not your good self. They are too entrenched in their own little club.



As for your question on being a sticky, I have answered that one above. The original poster has to write to Izzet to request for it to happen. I did this about 3 weeks ago. He made it a sticky for TWO DAYS.



I have my own thoughts as to why but I am not prepared to say on forum, I am already in enough trouble.

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 18:26

msg 147



I have my own thoughts as to why but I am not prepared to say on forum, I am already in enough trouble.



Yeah me too, on both counts!

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 18:44

Back to the top

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 19:09

Hi



I am amazed that the support is somewhat quiet would have thought this thread would be no 1 and no need to be a sticky, does anyone know what is the BRS take on this or is it a deafening silence?

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 19:10

I have to agree with Tenakoutou re apathy. Looking at the topics of the threads lately, it is hardly inspiring. Not a lot to worry Afkinans bank nor others that will no doubt follow their lead.

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 20:16

I am, unfortunately, in the UK at present and won't be able to attend the auction. Otherwise I would definitely be there!

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 21:09

Hector,



last part of 151 is the worrying part. Like the builders learn all the cons off each other it may well be the banks will try the same thing.



Think I am going to move my cash out of cyprus owned banks and move to Turkish ones.

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 22:08

Good idea, I did that years ago!

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 22:14

I for sure will be moving my funds from my bank

Just imagine if all expats was to do this in support think they would get the message!

But will it happen or will it be the case I'm alright jack nothing to do with me.

Which i'm afraid seems to be the general attitude/.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 23:47

No sticky

BTTT

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
27/05/2010 23:50

it should be a sticky

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 00:24

david no matter what apathy has ben shown we are all behind you on this, its a total disgrres and for one sucked into mr robb, i cant not beleive this can happen. i will be there xxxxxxxx

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 10:16

Still no Sticky.... BTTTP

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 10:36

So what is the position to date? Is the auction still going ahead on June 6th or has it been delayed ?

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 10:37

Still going ahead. Waiting to meet with the bank.

skurry


Joined: 04/02/2009
Posts: 81

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 11:59

has any person got a FRIEND in uk press.??????????????????? or any country that offer a little paragragh of common sense to let the outside world know what goes on here. possible threads of "MIDNIGHT EXPRESS" ADVERTISE THE FACT TO LET THE WORLD KNOW. PS why do you pay for a search when you purchase here and did the search take place ????????????? if it did, why did the search not show anything up ???????????? if it did not take place someone should be brought to justice .WHO DID YOU PAY TO SEARCH FOR THIS KIND OF PROBLEM, UUUMMMMM !!!!!!!!!! IS IT POSSIBLE TO ASK FOR ONES MONEY BACK

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 12:27

Property purchased and searches done in 2004, mortgage taken out in 2005 so there was nothing untoward to find at the time. Also, as a matter of interest, we have just done a search on some property owned by our builder and it shows no encumbrances yet we know for a fact that there are memorandums on the land.

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 14:17

Back to the top please, the sticky's come unstuck!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 16:32

Withdraw all funds for this bank if you are British....

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 17:47

Back to the top.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 19:03

skurry



While I accept its a good idea to warn people . That same warning might alert other people as to how easy it is to con people without fear of penalty.The last thing we need is others coming from the UK for easy pickings.

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 20:00

Easy pickings if it happened to me there would be nothing left to pick!!

Mandy


Joined: 25/10/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 22:31

Can someone explain whether the bank knew about the sales contracts before it granted the mortgage?

doddies


Joined: 16/02/2009
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 23:13

Pumas 1 = 3 posts = sticky

Pumas 2 = 2 posts = sticky

Stop the auction = 169 posts, 21 asking for a sticky, no reply from the "powers to be"....why?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 23:27

doddies

If you have a problem with this thread not being made a sticky then take it up with Izzet the board owner. Venting your frustration about it will not benefit this thread, keep to the thread topic.

AJ

Mandy


Joined: 25/10/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 23:29

Can someone explain whether the bank knew about the sales contracts before it granted the mortgage?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
29/05/2010 09:57

the latest from Cyprus Today, 29th May 2010 on the bank situation





http://tinyurl.com/38fwa6e



Here is what tom roach has to say



http://tinyurl.com/2wxwh23

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
29/05/2010 11:34

The question keeps being asked about contacting press in UK, well some of the work has now been done, especially for those who live in UK. Please send an email to the newspapers listed below please include in the email reference to 87 year old former squadron leader being made homeless on the 6th of the 6th month 66 years after the 1944 Normandy landings - D Day. Now here they are 66 years later facing D DAY again.



Perhaps include some of the links quoted above showing old articles plus the one today from Tom Roache who was a reporter in UK I believe.



Maybe if enough people do so over next few days the story will be picked up by one of the dailies.





Reporters@dailyrecord.co.UK;





News@dailystar.co.UK;





dtnews@telegraph.co.uk;





scoops@sundaymirror.co.uk;





newsdesk@notw.co.uk;





hayley.dunlop@guardian.co.uk;





news.desk@express.co.uk;



news@dailymail.co.uk .

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
29/05/2010 11:42

Will Akfinans Bank do what Hitler could not?



Follow this link to NCFP page - http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/05/29/will-akfinans-bank-do-what-hitler-could-not/



Take note of date next Sunday - 6th JUNE!!!!!!!!!!!

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
29/05/2010 16:19

CIH

Tks for the info'. No harm in trying - costs nothing to ask. Will start sending off.

Also - BTTT

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
29/05/2010 21:14

Msg 174,



Have emailed all of the papers as well as some others .



I am sorry I cannot be there on the 6th.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
30/05/2010 06:39

back to top

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
30/05/2010 12:04

back to the top

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
30/05/2010 13:19

Briefly, on the subject of sticky..



It will not happen, so will all interested please stop asking.



Just think of the nature of the thread and the fact that we are being monitored, that is a fact.



Let's just keep the thread running in the continuing civilised manner and by Sunday, who knows the bank may have relented. The people concerned on the building site do not wish to see anything untoward happen to anybody, so please act in their best interests.



David

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
30/05/2010 20:14

Heard a rumour last night that HSBC have got involved in this mess somehow. Anyone know anything?

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
30/05/2010 21:55

back to the top

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
30/05/2010 22:02

Any more 'back to top' postings and this thread will be closed.

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
30/05/2010 22:17

Not too impressed with the last post not exactly very helpful rather disapointing realy



Good luch to you all on the 6th wish we were there to give moral support

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
30/05/2010 22:36

Msg 184

From my sources (dubious) the situation on certain political matters is so delicate that this whole forum is in jeopardy of been closed down permanently and Izzet is aware of this and treads a very fine line. A similar situation (so I'm told) happened about the the 'Santa Fe' fiasco. Izzet did allow this post to be a 'sticky' for two days, and that's about as much as he is prepared to 'push the boat out' for. Rightly or wrongly!



Richard

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
30/05/2010 22:37

AJ please explain what is wrong with "back to the top". There have been many threads way back that have had " to to the top" why now has it become a problem with this particular thread.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
30/05/2010 22:41

Looks like Richard has just answered as he just beat me to posting.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
30/05/2010 23:30

Dalartokat

I would like to hear what you would have to said, apologies for preempting you!



Richard

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 06:45

AJ has already deleted 4 of my posts in this thread (and I expect this one to follow once he wakens up) Has he got a hidden agenda---maybe shares in Akfinans Bank.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 09:54

"As many of you know I am writing a daily column on North Cyprus Free Press

until the day of the Auction. Why? two reasons 1. I live and bought on

Kulaksiz 5. 2. To keep the this abomintation on the FRONT burner.



One of my neighbours is anxious because he has seen the mention of HSBC

bank on your thread.



Firstly, please note HSBC bank are not and have never been involved in

this situation.



Secondly, To HSBC Bank. The residents of Kulaksiz 5 apologise to HSBC bank

for this error.



In my articles I deal with facts and my own personal opinions.

We cannot deal in gossip and misinformation or we will loose the moral

high ground. Read my articles and you will see that in a U.K Court

we would have won at the first hearing."



Pauline Read

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/05/31/details-of-akfinan-banks-kulaksiz-5-mortgages/

ustwo


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 67

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 09:57

We feel so bad for these poor people and think that one way to go is to remove our money from any Cypriot bank .Could anyone tell us which ones are the Turkish mainland banks.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 10:31

Richard I was just curious why the "back to the top" was becoming an issue when its used in the past on many other threads. Someone has posted another thread explaining why it should not be used and that is fair enough for me, although it does not bother me personaly regarding scrolling down threads. Please don't apologise for pre empting me on my posting Richard you have given an interesting explanation and thats good for me.

Mandy


Joined: 25/10/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 11:18

Legal Questions.



Reading Pauline Read's account it seems the bank had constructive notice that the properties were already sold? If this is the case, is it not true the bank, in legal terms, knew of the contractural rights of the purchasers?



If the bank ignored constructive notice, and the courts do not rule against them for it, does this not conflict with the TRNC civil code which has states that there is an overriding need for fairnness?



Does that not mean that if the case was referred to the constitutional court, the bank's mortgage could be ruled null and void?



If they evict a retired wing commander what would the damage be to the building industry and TRNCs reputation?



I cant belive the auction will go ahead - if it does, is it not likely that everyone will be there with video phone cameras to record what happens?



Does anyone think the threats from the bank are very damaging to TRNC?



PLEASE NOTE I AM NOT MAKING COMMENTS - I AM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS



Se

Mandy


Joined: 25/10/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 11:27

While I'm asking questions....



Is it not the case that this is a public event, and that there is a public invitation for everyone to attend.



In other words, everyone can attend without any fear of being accused of doing anything wrong.



IF it goes ahead, I'll certainly come along to see what happens on 6th.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 11:30

If expats withdrew their accounts from all TC banks and transferred to Turkish mainland banks operating in TRNC, would someone please explain how this would affect the TRNC economy?



For instance, would such action force other 'mortgage scams' [like the (alleged) Akfinans Bank shocker], that have very possibly been similarly perpetrated [in camera], to be more swiftly exposed?

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 12:51

With the published threat from the Akfinans Bank, the probability that this thread is being monitored by "dark forces" to intimidate us, the only meaningful action that must be taken by the expat community is to turn up on Sunday 6th June en masse. Not to hold placards and heckle - but just to show the TRNC Establishment (banks, lawyers, judiciary) that we will not allow this insidious injustice to pass without protest. That we have a backbone, that we will stand up for fairness and justice.

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 13:06

Yes these questions do beg answers must be on the lips of all buyers and interested parties as the repercussions of this auction would surely be devastating to all ex pats living in the TRNC I just can't get my head around how can this be allowed to happen and worse still the lack of interest by the majority of folks living in the trnc

We support peoples all over the world financial or by deed but when it comes to our own well enough said! just cannot understand it what has happened to us folks 87 years old people what are we like

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 13:26

I assume Turkish banks do not follow the practice of allowing mortgages on properties where it can be shown that a purchaser had paid in full. Why is the government silent in condemning this practice, do we then take it that they find it acceptable?

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 13:34

Can someone explain if an auction goes ahead and you as a the original buyer and have paid your money paid for upgrades like bathrooms/showers/ kitchens/landscaping/ swim pool,the list goes on how does this work?

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 14:15

nilmoney, an interesting point. After the auction are you allowed to dig up/remove everything you have paid for? What would the purchaser think of that? All that would be left would be a plot of land. Surely the current occupiers would then become trespassers, would Akfinans take them to the European Court of Human Rights?

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 14:17

Alsancak Jack wrote, "Any more 'back to top' postings and this thread will be closed."

I'm just waiting for a member of Akfinans Bank to post 'back to the top' in order to get this thread closed.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 16:18

Pauline Read on NCFP wrote that Akfinans was charging 80% interest per quarter (1000% apr) for the mortgages. If this was true then it leads you to believe they never intended for the mortgage to be repaid. Not sure if this is true or how she came about that information.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 17:12

The question is often posted by potential bank customers: 'Which bank could you recommend?'



Perhaps, the question should now be rephrased as: 'Which bank could you recommend that can, publicly and in writing, state that it does not deal in this [alleged]'Akfinans-type' business practice?'



I, and I am sure, most people would feel a lot easier in knowing which banks have the integrity/honesty to publish (whether on this formum, or other media) such [essential] information for their existing, or prospective, customers.



Such information, freely and *truthfully given, would help to 'sort the wheat from the chaff'. * !!!

nilmoney


Joined: 29/12/2008
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 17:21

malsancak,



Its a nightmare isn't it because all they would get for their auction price would be a shell and a huge hole in the ground where the pool would have been no electricity/no water tanks no pumps no kitchens/bathrooms wardrobes white goods/tiles.

The list is endless blimey I for one would stear well clear of this senario would i be happy evicting my fellow expats I don't think so.



Lets hope common decency let alone sense prevails and the all powerful wise heads of TRNC sort this out once and for all.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 17:54

Let's pin all our hopes on Mr. Denktash exerting his influence to prevent this iniquitous auction - the TC population did and have had peace for all these years as a result of his steadfastness and wisdom.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 20:15

how can a small plot be worth £40,000? I think Akfinans think the real owners of the properties are going to just move out and leave the furniture there are food in the freezer.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 20:37

i still cant beleive that this will actuall go ahead, i hope and i pray for a turn around if not fro mr D then the bank. This is surreal xxxx

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
31/05/2010 21:44

if it does then the evictions might make news headlines around the world. It can't be good if the articles say that people buying in north Cyprus don't know whether their property will remain mortgage free after they pay for it in full. Not a word from the government about this practice.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
01/06/2010 09:38

"Rauf Denktas is a wonderful friend in this but I fear that Akfinans Bank Limited

will not capitulate,and the offers they are making and which I am not at liberty

to divulge are preposterous.



The 80% quarterly compound interest rate is correct and I challenge Akfinans to

deny this.



I cannot answer any questions on Cyprus 44 as I do not intend to change my email

address to be able to become a member. However any questions you may have can

be asked on North Cyprus Free Press and I will answer to the best of my ability

and knowledge. As one of the residents of Kulaksiz 5 and with the able assistance

of my sleuthing sidekick Polly Marples I have gained much useful information.

Knowledge is power."



Pauline Read

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
01/06/2010 12:46

Pauline,

the one thing that is certain is that Akfinans Bank Ltd has been damaged by all this publicity. The fact that they have offered settlement terms that you regard as preposterous indicates a total and absolute disregard on the bank's part towards the predicament of the villa owners specifically and in general towards the whole expat community.

80% compound interest is mafia style loan-shark moneylending, not commercial banking.

If this auction does go ahead, the bad publicity that the bank has received to date will seem like nothing compared to the bad publicity that they will receive in future. And their business will suffer. And their reputation and credability will be damaged beyond repair.

This action will do nothing for them, or their country. I wonder do they care? Probably not.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
01/06/2010 13:26

they'll be crying all the way to the bank, as they say. I think their motto is "profit not people"

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
01/06/2010 15:31

Couple of points to ponder.



I have spoken to someone today who has been directly threatened by police following outspoken comments. These people obviously mean business. I have had things said to me over the last week about us foreigners making comments that may be damaging to the TRNC. It is coming equally obvious that it does not need us to help bring down the country that most of us love and do not wish to leave, it is the action of the bank who by their actions will destroy this country.



I understand that the TC press are going to be running stories Fri,Sat and Mon unless over riding stories come in.

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
01/06/2010 17:00

Cyprusishome,

it is very worrying in a democratic state that the police collude with the banks to stifle free and fair speech. If I wanted to rant'n'rave about this subject on Speaker's Corner I would not expect to be threatened by the police. But the TRNC government takes no action. Very bad view of TRNC in the eyes of the world - and I'm sure Turkey will not be best pleased that it's protectorate is acting in this manner.

Hopefully the local press will highlight this injustice over the coming week. Perhaps, just perhaps, this might make the bank reflect on it's actions. Lets wait and see.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
01/06/2010 18:12

Does anyone know what the new president has to say about this, it's not very long ago he was saying how he wants to work with the ex pat community, maybe he will attend the auction on Sunday as a gesture of goodwill.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
01/06/2010 18:33

From what I have heard listening to differing groups, the new president sees as many people as he did when he was PM.



ZERO