Swearing on the Forum. (TO BE CLOSED)

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 07:28

What is allowed?



Can I write "idiot"? What about "you plonker?" How about "you are an imbecile?" Can I use Cockney Rhyming Slang, i.e. "you're a right little Merchant Banker?" (For the non-English, the swear word ryhmes with Banker).



Now can I use an asterix to "disguise" a swear word? For example, "sh*t"?



And how about the worst I've seen: No, I won't repeat it, but some of you have seen it. We all try to get around the rules, but I think a few serious bans would let everyone know how far they can go.



I know I should take this up with a Forum Admin, or Izzet, but it wouldn't get any views. If this is "closed" it will get even more!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 07:47

It's a very fine line to walk Steve... you totally ----- nice bloke... Nearly got you!



The worst swearing adheres to the football threads... no surprise there, given the sort of language one hears on the terraces in the UK.



There is a very different conclusion to draw from saying somebody's argument is utter tosh than there is from calling the writer an 'utter tosser'...



I don't think the latter is supportable if this board is to keep its ethos of community building.



However it does seem certain posters will not allow reasoned argument without either outright rudeness or worse, veiled and blatant threats. The enjoining of other members in a hate campaign against another member has also happened in the past and ought not be allowed to prevail.



We do need clarification of the use of deliberately misspelled swearing used to circumvent the rules which has become prevalent of late...

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 08:15

All people want is to know that whatever the rules, they are applied fairly.



Other forums thrive with swearing/insults, etc. But if here we have to respect each other, then it's clear.



I agree with you Gavin, I am a totally nice bloke. No, seriously, why do FA's allow hate campaigns? A FA recently wrote that if the language does not improve, they will close a partcular thread. You remember? It was one you started.



Why not delete the offending posts and ban those members?



For the non-football fans wondering why every other post is about football. Well it's the "business end" of the season. Cups and titles are up for grabs. It's Britain's national sport.



If FA's close threads because of a couple of offending posts, that would set a precedent. In theory, I could get a thread closed that promoted a rival business. For example, if I started selling pool training, all I would have to do, is find a rivals thread and start swearing. This is unfair.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 08:19

At the end of the day 'bad language' or swearing is just a lack of vocabulary in the part of the person who is using it. So I suggest next time anyone is tempted, reach for a thesaurus and find an alternative 'big' word for what you are feeling and one that does not offend.



Chris

wearytravellers



Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 250

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 08:20

Hoy YOU TWO.....get a life who cares if there is an occassional swear word on a thread.....if it offends, then don't follow the thread. Couple of Anoraks !!

juliamoons



Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 849

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 08:22

I totally agree. All threads with swearing should be automatically deleted. All threads that are thought to be offensive to someone else should be deleted. But, "you plonker" "you twit" I do not think are offensive they are more of a humerous dig.

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 08:40

Hi Cliff,



Thanks for your opinion. I value it. You are entitled to it.



However, if you think it's OK to call a valued member of this forum, who without charge has taken over 350 people on a walk around Old Kyrenia, plus spent hundreds of hours helping people a "Berkshire Hunt", then that's fine. But not with me.



Also, a question, how do you know if there is going to be swearing in a thread? I can avoid threads about dead dogs, as this my be the title of the thread.



Now, I have looked at your profile, and if you are 48, and the photo is of you, then something is strange!



Don't take offence, as I'm sure you calling me an anorak, was not meant to be taken the wrong way, or cause offence



See how the insults start. Perhaps you could have put your point in a more diplomatic way. Now it's your turn, then the thread will be closed!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 08:48

I am afraid I have to agree with weary on this but the old adage about if you don't like something hust ignore it does not seem to work on this forum. I am adraid that disguising swear words does not always hide the intent of the comment.

Expletives are a way of showing emotions, on some occasions. I could not care less if someone swears on a thread. If I say twit instead of tw*t or plonker instead d*ck, it means the same and I am sorry Chris but looking up a thesaurus to fiind a big word is truly hiding a lack of intellect, swearing is just choosing the word you know.

We are back to the members trying to control the forum again which I for one totally disagree with. I liked the forum the way it was and I put the effort into skipping threads and ignoring posts myself, I didn't need the mods to do it for me.



Ironically it seems to be some of the same people who were complaining about the last situation and is it because they got thier way then that you want it again?

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 08:58

There's nothing wrong with swearing, we all do it. You should have heard me miss a two-foot putt this week. You should also see how far a putter can be thrown!



It's the way the rules are enforced, or not enforced, that's the problem.



It's either allowed and we can have a free-for-all, or it's not.



How would anyone like it if I could do what I liked and got away with it, but the second you did it, you had a problem? It's no different to you paying to import your car, but every other "bugger" didn't bother, nor did they get a fine. In the end, we all lose.





Simples.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 09:08

Paul,



I agree in a way but the raison d'etre of this board is not a simple free for all, it's to promote a sense of community mostly by trying to provide a help and advice forum for those with interest in the TRNC.



Saying people can ignore threads is not a solution.



OK I'm not bothered by insults but others are really put off by the use of immoderate insulting behaviour and the unhelpful rubbishing of their efforts to take part. We want people to take part don't we?



I'm not advocating a police state here just better self-control.



Weary, I've got no problem with the odd swear word but sometimes it's aimed squarely as a direct insult to a member and that's not the way for this board to win friends and influence people. If people want to join a forum where they slag each other off all day long there are plenty of alternatives... so why don't they stick to them? Because they are cyber-bullies and bullies like easy targets that's why...

wearytravellers



Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 250

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 09:42

Groucho,

This Forum USED TO BE really great, when Sandi and I 1st bought our apartment 3 years ago the Forum was really useful for information, asking advise we received a Plethora of answers which was really good. I also found it really informative and looked forward to logging in everyday from wherever we were in the world. NOW I find the Forum to be a bit dull, all about Football, Which Restaurant has the dish of the day, Cocktail of the day, should swearing be allowed on the forum all sorts of pointless drivvle....people need to get out and meet friends....NOT hole up in the house and spend vast amounts of time on the PC....easy for me, I,m at work now, slack part of the day AND getting paid to write this.

HighTime the Forum went back to the way it used to be.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 09:50

Forums like this evolve. One mans 'meat is another mans poison'

This forum is still very informative and a lot of people have been given great advice on here. Some people are interested in football and restaurants, some are not. You have to cater for all types.



As for the swearing; there are no hard and fast rules, just 'be polite'

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 09:51

Ok Groucho and texas, point taken.

You can't ignore a swearing thread without reading it to know it contains swearing.

I should have phrased that in a different way, what I mean is. When reading a thread that may contain expetives, try to remember that unless they were directed at you personnaly there is no need to get upset and complain.

I agree that some of the insults were very extreme when directed at the afore mentioned person however consider the follow ups to that particular thread by the insulted person, he was much more concerned about the accusations in the post than the expletives and he was the person they were directed at.

Even this thread is refferring to that situation and Texas seems more concerned about the words than the person they were directed at.

There is just as many forums that don't allow swearing so why can't the offended people move.

A community has both good and bad, if you want a mix then stay. If you want good only, why can't you move?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 10:20

wearytravellers,



I agree 100% with your msg 11. Sometimes it just makes me want to throw up when you see the same things regurgitated day after day.



This was always meant to be an informative forum as you say but now it is almost impossible to find anything of use appearing.



As for swearing, got to part disagree. There is no room for swearing on any family based forum which this is. Yes we all slip sometimes, particularly when someone delibertly insults or slanders you. But that can easily be dealt with. If folk wish to perpetually use bad language then there are forums that permit this, so please go there. Other than words said in the heat of the moment people can easily find alternatives to us.



David

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 10:33

Msg 4 Nurseawful

Does that apply to the telephone Chris? when your talking to me



TT

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 11:45

A dear old lady I knew once said that swearing shows a lack of vocabulary and intelligence.



No need for it at all.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 12:51

I really would like someone to explain to me how that can be so, if I swear it is because I chose to use that particular word, not because I lack intelligence or the knowledge of any other words that I could use in it's place.



But remember not to squint your eyes, the wind might change and they will be stuck that way or eat your carrots and your eyesight will improve. They must be true because somebody said so.



Paul

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 13:11

Yeah Duster... Albert effing Einstein said so....

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 14:25

what about "wankel rotary engine" ??

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 14:37

What about it Nick, it's comments like that which really invite insulting and abusive comments back.



for example, as soon as I read it I reverted back to neanderthal man and thought "what a f**kin st*pid comment"



Paul

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 15:14

No Proger - it's just that he owned an NSU Ro80 !!

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 15:54

what a load of testicles

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 16:25

Nick that's ok - engine is not a swear word.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 17:32

Neither is vibraphone, but it sounds rude...

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 19:59

I do not agree one iota that swearing means you have a low intellect!! I have quite an extensive vocabulary (believe it or not) and i quite often swear...however, my swearing is usually used in jest, and not meant to offend in the slightest....but i really believe that it's not the kind of words that are used, it's the 'way' they are used and for what reason...i could give examples, but i would most likely be banned...or i would offend a more sensitive soul.



There are certain words that are mostly used for shock factor, ( like these ones) and there are words used in everyday language...for example the word f**k (i assume you know the one) has more meanings and uses than any other word in the dictionary, to me that makes it a rather useful and sometimes shockingly fab word!



For the most part, people are not too bothered about hearing swear words, however, for some reason, 'seeing' swear words is another matter completely....I'm sure Freud would have a reason for this!





DD

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 20:17

Sam

This will backup your theory!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONIzDOzx_GE



Richard

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 20:31

Richard...i really couldn't have said it better.....you gotta love it!! (f**k) that is ;)





DD

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 20:32

PLUCKING HELL rather have a HANK in Heaven.opps.

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 21:35

Who's Hank.......and directions to Heaven please!......(must i pre-order....?)



DD

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 22:59

Oh sh**e, I f*****g, I agree with most of what you b*****ds say. But f**k me, how am I supposed to express myself?

Is this too much???

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 06:48

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