Just who will govern the UK now

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 17:04

what happens now, conservative first place but gordon still pm.Nick Clegg may have lost out on the votes but it seems he is holding all the cards now.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 17:13

And you can blame all those 'sitting on the fence voters' who voted for Clegg.

smoggyjim


Joined: 21/07/2007
Posts: 214

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 17:13

After the speach by Cameron it looks like the conservatives will, thank goodness, at last got rid of the un-elected so called Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 17:16

conservatives just won another seat.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 17:16

Let's hope he sticks to his manifesto.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
07/05/2010 17:18

Cameron talking to Clegg at the moment in an effort to form a government

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
07/05/2010 17:20

If that fails Brown will talk to Clegg. If that fails Brown will have to resign and Cameron will get the PM job

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 17:22

It stands like this at the moment.

Conservatives. 304

Labour. 257

LibDem. 57



there are 4 results undeclared. Hence no outright winner as Cameron needed 326.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 17:24

"Just who will govern the UK now?"



The banks and big business, just as it's always been

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 17:33

Incorrect Cameron is to talk to Clegg and Cameron has made a big open offer to talks first

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 18:19

That's what I said in message 6.



Cameron has now made Clegg an offer which could include Lib Dems in the cabinet.



We might even get Vince Cable as Chancellor!

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 18:56

I don't know why everyone is following the UK election results - what is the point of UK MPs - apart from snouts in the trough - EU laws govern England - any judgement made in UK - or indeed in any other member state - can be over ruled by the fat cat 'Human rights lawyers' in Brussels - the United States of Europe - Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem - what is the point - Germany Holland and England are so much the poorer from joining the EU - Ireland (my birthplace - where people (like here) were so much more gentle and kind) - before they got the taste for big (dodgy) money - but like Greece the state employees are howling and screaming at rather feeble cuts when people who are self employed or run their own businesses are supposed to support all these non productive white ants. Engand needs a really strong leader who is prepared to say enough is enough - real change is needed, Anyone out there - sadly I don't think so.



Joan

swannee7


Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 19:06

No.1 Doyen: (msg.11) Vince? He'll be on the sub's bench and George will be fielded by manager Dave Cameron. Looks like the Cons/Lib talks could go on throughout the w/end with the Lib-Dems rank & file having a big say in any final decision (based on Cameron's offer). Wonder if there would have been any significant changes to the final outcome if all those disenfranchised voters had actually got to put their X's on the ballot papers...... There were quite a few of them. The Electoral Commission will now be making enquiries into what went wrong with the system but interestingly, they'd apparently been trying to get the whole archaic system of election day voting brought into the 21st century but were thwarted over the years by the present Labour govt. Interesting!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 19:17

Hung Parliament? Coalition?

Do not worry, there will be another election fiasco in less than a year's time.

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 19:29

AJ. Sometimes in life 9 to 5 mentality people understand that they need Business minded people to look after there wellbeing and make the decisions for them. David Cameron family are successful Business people.

Within Oxfordshire there are many Sucessful people like Richard Branston, Myself and many others there will be no election in 12 months of that i am sure.



Measey.

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 19:39

Would that be the Richard Branston who invented the pickle that goes so well with cheese on toast?.... you seem to know him well so could you get him to divulge the recipe? ( ;0)

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 19:52

Jetski, No problem chap but there would need to be a how can i put it a fee involved.



Measey.

Snaefell



Joined: 07/06/2009
Posts: 266

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 20:23

I have hear in the United Kingdoms nobody have win 'Britain has a Prime Minister' and whole of parliament have been hung! Is this true?



Quote from Alexander Orlov - Compare the Meercats. Best quote of the day so far in my opinion!!

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 20:35

Bill . Quite right bleeding ireets.



Measey.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 22:29

The Conservatives' and the Liberal Democrats have decided to join together to win the election. They have discussed what each party wants and decided on a common goal of 'protecting the countries youth'



The new coalition are calling themselves 'the Condems'

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 22:33

If the Torys and Lib Dems join could they be called Con Dem

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
07/05/2010 22:39

Conservatives? Largest party? Rubbish!



We had more than 326 people at our New Years Eve party last year.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
07/05/2010 22:52

In Scotland the SNP run the Government from a minority position and do a very good job of it, if you were to ask voters of most political parties they would agree with this.



The voters in Scotland supported Labour on thursday because they hate the tories and are still frightened of a return to the 1980s BUT at the next Scottish Parliament elections will probably return the SNP Government with a larger mandate at Labours expense.



Who said the Scots werent canny !

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 01:24

karakumSc.



Plus in Scotland there would be a natural distrust of any party who in such a terrible economic climate had as its only definate policy on taxes, the lowering of taxes on £1Million inheritances.That would indeed have brought back memories of the eighties.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 07:30

England council elections: Labour make gains



Labour looks set to come top in terms of councils and seats won in the local elections held in England on Thursday.



So far, the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have lost four councils each, with Labour making a net gain of 14.



The polls, held at the same time as the general election, include those for 32 London boroughs, 36 metropolitan authorities and 20 unitary authorities.



By midnight on Friday, fewer than 10 of the 164 authorities being contested had still to declare their full results.



In the last local elections in June, Labour suffered heavy losses across the country, losing key seats to the Conservatives.



But as the votes continued to be counted this time, Labour had gained Hartlepool, Liverpool, Coventry, Doncaster, Camden, Ealing, Enfield, Hounslow, Islington, St Helens, Harrow, Oxford, Waltham Forest and Brent.



Labour are rubbish at local authority level... spending everybody's hard-earned on loony PC proj

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 07:34

Labour are rubbish at local authority level... spending everybody's hard-earned on loony PC projects...



Look forward to more Lesbian/Gay, Ethnic initiatives and wonder where next they are going to spend your local taxes for you - all because they know what an enlightened bunch you are and how the really needy, health and education are are not your priority.... doh!

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 09:02

ohh thats a bit racist there are some very nice gay people

takes all sorts give us akiss

vadiev


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 204

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 10:12

I don't know how England can be called a democratic country when the votes cast by individuals don't reflect in the number of seats in Government. Take this years results as an example:-



Conservative votes 10,808,749 giving them 307 seats

Labour votes 8,601,349 giving them 258 seats

Liberal Democrat votes 6,827,832 giving them 57 seats



how can these national figures be a fair representation of seats in parliament, they're not.



We need proportional representation before we can be called a fair and Democratic society.



Its not worth voting in certain areas unless you vote for the party who hold the majority !!!

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 15:12

As the Tories are so against P.R. I wonder how they can bring themselves to consent

to an immediate referendum on it, which is what Lib.Dems insist on? One or the other

will have to 'sell their souls'. Personally, most of us don't really understand P.R and think

there are more important things that a hung parliament should be tackling, i.e. economy.

p.s What is the difference between a hung parliament and a coalition, which is what we

had during the last war.

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 15:51

Everything is in the balance!

But what about the accuracy of the EXIT POLLS amazing I think there was less than 1% difference!

Yet all MPs dismissed them,most vehement where Labour !!

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 15:56

I have just seen on SKY NEWS that the SNP are saying there is an alternative to a CONLIBDEM Pact!!

As a Nationalist and my seat (Angus)was SNP I find this desperation and with 6 seats and less voters I think Salmond could damage us with his weird and wonderful claims!

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 17:05

Snaefell I had to laugh at that one!



ang1706 Yes, the exit polls were amazingly accurate and it's hard to see how they managed it

when there was so many varying and unexpected results.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
08/05/2010 18:05

Proportional Representation would cause almost permanent hung parliaments, so as this hung parliament is seen as such a negative thing maybe P.R's not such a good idea...



On paper PR seems logical, in practice first past the post at least means we don't end up like countries with PR, where parties are always falling out, throwing their toys out of the pram and causing snap elections. Very little get done, nobody's big ideas get actioned and the dirty dealing just feathers the nest of the politicians...



No thanks!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 20:40

Groucho...Just as it is in Italy.They have had more hung,coallition,call it what you like,than I have had hot dinners.

dublinderm


Joined: 26/09/2009
Posts: 538

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 21:03

Re msgs 28, 33, & 34.



We in the Republic of Ireland have had PR with unlimited transfers since 1920. It is by far the most fair and more importantly most entertaining for of holding an election.



FYI. PR was foisted on the Irish by the British Government in the Government of Ireland Act 1920 and it was the brain child of the Colonial Secretary one Winston S. Churchill. He believed it would keep us permanently out of political balance and too busy arguing with each other to bother him any more. Funnily enough he seems to have been proven correct, just for the wrong reason.



We have had (generally good) coalition governments continuously since 1989 without any apparent great harm.



The largest political party Fianna Fail have tried to get rid of PR on at least two occasions and both times they have been defeated in referenda. If we had had first past the post we would have had one party government since 1932 to the present day. Tell me that is democratic!



DD

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
09/05/2010 21:08

Thanks Dublinderm for the above informative message about PR!

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
10/05/2010 15:35

Coachie. Groucho.



You say Italy, I say Germany.