Milliband on Tour- Do they ever Learn

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
13/05/2010 21:14

So David Milliband is conducting a tour of the UK to find out why Labour lost the election!

Thats typical of Labour, instead of learning from all the 'advisers' he is going to find out for himself haha it will be a mighty long tour. Reminesent of Labour Councillors and MPs going on overseas junkets when all info is at home (or on the NET!)



Also notice how many senior Labour figures ARE ruling themselves out of a Leadership challenge- methinks the left will not take another onesided appoinment too esy!!

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
13/05/2010 21:19

Ang,

Lefties in the Labour party,not any more unfortunateley,

Paul.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
13/05/2010 23:33

They are all lefties. Milliband is in the North East (South Shields-great place) which is labour heartland (they will vote for anything with a labour tag on it there - I know I belong there). What has labour ever done for the North East - We still haven't got a full length, decent A1 motorway, or even a dual carriageway. Tony Blair lived in Trimdon (mining village till he sold his house recently), Mandleson is in Hartlepool (they hung the monkey there - should have hung labour) and still the North East has the highest umeployment in the country and always has had.

He should not tour the UK but go back to the heartland and see what they think there. My brother in Law now 83 has voted labour all his life, as did his parents before him. He was a shipyard worker and now has asbestosis as a result of that. He voted BNP because he is sick of what Labour has done. His wife (76) vote UKIP because she is sick of the foreigners dictating to this country, maybe he should visit them.

newlad



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Message Posted:
14/05/2010 08:00

Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn was a "leftie" you could hardly say that he p***** in the same pot as Tony Blair Hilda,

Paul.

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 12:58

Well they've trotted out all the grandees of all of the parties but the one person I've yet to hear from is Charles Kennedy - is he still celebrating?!!!

BILLY


Joined: 15/01/2007
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 13:44

Hildy, you are spot on they have the safest seats in the country in the North East which they take for granted.

Thats why they always put their new up and coming up for the seats.

13 years in power and the A1 was upgaded to motor way to guess where, Sedgefield and no futher.

Blair did not even travel by road.

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 13:48

Sorry, thought the thread was about the Glen Miller band, a safer bet I would think than any of the politicians in the UK.

Joe Soap


Joined: 17/10/2008
Posts: 170

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 15:37

Perhaps he is canvassing for leadership?

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
14/05/2010 16:27

Sir Antony Wedgewood Ben - which is his birthright title and he had to give it up to p****** in the same pot as Tony Blair - which he did.

I never ever saw Tony Ben (to give him his 'labour' title - appeals to the masses more) in the North East. If he was there it was only for the Durham Miners Gala for a bloody good p***** up. He was never there on any other occasion.

Safe seats up there so they put useless politians there because they know they will definately be voted in.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 16:49

Hildysmith



BNP! it wont just be foreigners or people who are not right wing like trade unionists and Labour activists, that will be persecuted. History has proven that after those people are got rid of ,new "enemies" of the state will be manufactured.





Pastor Niemoller

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.



THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.



THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.



THEN THEY CAME for me

and by that time no one was left to speak up."



The "me" might by then include right wingers or SNP or anyone who offends.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 18:21

The only reason the Tories didnt get a majority was becos the of the North who always vote Labour becos their grandads did, shame they didnt make most of em take an IQ test, now the country is moaning becos there is a coalition government, well sorry to say but they got what they deserved...end of!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 18:23

So David Milliband is conducting a tour of the UK to find out why Labour lost the election!





Er, I can save him some time......they didn't get enough votes!

gazmufc78


Joined: 03/09/2009
Posts: 366

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 18:28

Dee get a life, The north is not as telly adicts percieve like coronation street. So therefore the IQ test may be closer to home.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
14/05/2010 18:57

Message 13 - totally agree.

I once asked my Mam what a communist was and she replied

'it is a government structure which believes in Equality and everyone being equal'

What is wrong with that I asked

'Nothing it is just that when they get in power it turns out that SOME are MORE EQUAL than others' she replied.

'What are Socialists' I asked - ' Basically the same as communists' she replied

I once asked my Mother in Law why she voted Labour 'because Rob does' was her reply.

Overhead in a working mens club (in Trimdon - Tony Blair's consituency) I could not vote anything but Labour, My Mam and Dad would turn in their graves??? mmmmmm,...........

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 19:03

I suppose nobody south of Watford Gap ever voted Labour then, credit people with a bit of intelligence please, the vast majority of voters are more than capable of making up their own minds.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 19:10

East Ham Labour MP, Stephen Timms has just been stabbed whilst holding surgery in his constituency.

Somebody didn't like the election outcome!



Richard

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 19:37

mess 15 look at the map tell me where the majority of the seats won for labour





http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/constituency/e45.stm

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 20:22

I really dont care what criticism I get for my opinions on this, it is fact, the North stopped the Tories from getting a majority...now they are complaining..I repeat they got what they voted for but some are too stupid to realise that!

HildySmith


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Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
14/05/2010 20:49

Deecyprus4

The people of the North are very down to earth, loyal, hardworking decent and INTELIGENT people. They also believe what they are told by people they have trusted for years. looking at the Map on message 17 shows that some are obviously changing their views due the the let down of the past 13 years. Coming from North Durham as you can see that I lived in the centre of the Labour Heartland. The people actually believe what Tony Blair and his co-horts tell them, you may call believing them stupid but the people of the North are not stupid.

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
14/05/2010 21:12

shame Tony Blair never told them to put there head in the oven,they have internet there, it was all there to read.

NCMan



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Posts: 670

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 07:56

For all of of you that are showing concern about the tour .

What are you doing here in Cyprus Bugger off back.

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 08:22

You just can't trust those damned northeners to vote for who we want. They will be demanding democracy next.

Don't be concerned about the future. The awful New Labour party has been defeated and Ant & Dec are at the helm. We can look forward to those happy days that we enjoyed in the late 80s under Thatcher & co.

Massive unemployment , record bankruptcies and 16% mortgages......Oh those halcyon days !

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 09:31

great way of getting us out of trouble the labour way, sell the gold,over employ, over pay,and go bankrupt.





yes that will work and you children and grand children will be stuck with the debt, Tories are only trying to pay of the deficit, not the debt that will take decades.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 09:55

vincent1. And Ant & Dec are having to put right what geordie Gordi did wrong.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 13:11

NCman,



"For all of of you that are showing concern about the tour .



What are you doing here in Cyprus Bugger off back."





Excellent point.

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 13:24

N C Man. very good point, Labour Party now reconised as the Third Party so who cares about this stupid tour.

girne 29


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Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 13:24

deecyprus



so in your book all labour voters in the north only voted that way because they are stupid and only voted the way their parents voted. What about Tory voters in the south are they stupid as well and do they only vote the way their parents voted.



We could go on for ever- Does where you are born make you stupid?

Does having a particular view on politics that differs from yours make one stupid?



I take it you are one of the non stupid voters, so how did you rate a Libdem voter,half stupid? but now they are in the ConDem alliance ,promoted to non stupid?

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 19:37

well mess 27 please explain why someone who had lived in a country for 13 years,why a labour government took us to near bankruptcy why you still vote labour,??????????????????????????????????????//// and then moan because there's a hung parliament lol

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
15/05/2010 20:24

Vincent 1 said: 'We can look forward to those happy days that we enjoyed in the late 80s under Thatcher & co. Massive unemployment , record bankruptcies and 16% mortgages......Oh those halcyon days ! '

Wow, did you get your history wrong or are you just a kid?????

When I left school there was no unemployment (with a Tory Governement) I could choose which job I wanted and the type of job I wanted and I chose Office Work and got a job as an Office Junior. I helped an elderly colleague called Sally to make and serve the Tea and Coffee and the Janitor's wife to clear up after stationery deliveries etc. Then Harold Wilson came into Power. He brought in SET Selective Employment Tax, which meant every employer had to pay tax on all the people they employed. So Sally got finished and I had to make the tea, the Janitor's wife got finished and and I had to do her job.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
15/05/2010 20:30

All the people who got finished went on the dole and that was the start of the unemployment queue we have today - 1 million people put on the dole in a matter of weeks as a direct result of Labour (Harold Wilson's) Policies.

From then on we heard UNemployment figures every week. Harold Wilson had to repeal the Selective Employment Tax law, but by that time the damage had been done - employers were not going to bring them back to work when they had other workers who could do the jobs. So Sally and the Janitors wife never got their jobs back and neither did a million other people. I don't remember a strike until Labour got into power.

Once he had done this, Harold Wilson then decided that the million people needed to have benefit to be able to live on the dole (where he put them) and so he introduced the Benefit system to help them to stay at home cos there was no jobs.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/05/2010 20:51

NCMan Msg 21

I really do not understand your comment unless you are so tunnel visioned and narrow minded, only concerned about what affects you in your luxury villa with pool and top of the range of whatever car you drive. There are some people who are interested in international politics and events that would like to pass comment however, if your head is so stuck in the sand you're in the right position to get ......... as you have told others to do!



Richard

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
16/05/2010 06:30

Oh I forgot the poll tax riots and the miners' strikes! Halcyon days.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
16/05/2010 08:44

Oh yes the miners strikes lol.....of course BA arent having problems are they.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
20/05/2010 06:15

I can remember no strikes until until Harold Wilson (Labour) got in. Then we had Jamas Callaghan (Labour) -

Remember his WINTER OF DISCONTENT!!!! caused by all the local authorities/public service workers going on strike. The Unions brought him down - Maggie Thatcher had to sort the Unions out or we would have had a few more Winters of Discontent to deal with, also the governement being held to ransom by the Unions. I have always been a Union Member, but was disgusted ad the power used to bring down an elected government.

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
20/05/2010 09:24

HildySmith.



'I can remember no strikes until until Harold Wilson (Labour) go in.'





Strikes go back to the year dot. One of the first recorded was in Egypt in 1152 BC. UK had general strikes in 1842 and 1926 ( PM was Stanley Baldwin (Conservative)) long before Harold Wilson came along.

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
20/05/2010 11:59

Well the good news is that Diane Abbott is entering the race today - prepare to be patronised folks!!

HildySmith


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Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
21/05/2010 03:44

Sorry I am obviously not as old as you!!!!!

what is said was 'I can't remember' its me age you no, it does things to you, wasnt around in Stanley Baldwins day.

Only go back to Harold MacMillan - nice chap